Illinois Dems Target "Assault Weapons", Age of Gun Owners

[steveTA84]

On 12/2/2022 at 11:51 PM, JTHunter said:

Slip filed.

 

In an earlier post, somebody suggested letting them pass this heinous legislation, then sue them.

Wouldn't it be less expensive to defeat this legislation before it is passed?

And how do you plan on doing that with an anti-gun majority with no wild cards in both chambers?

 

not an insult btw, so please don’t take it as one. 

Edited December 3, 2022 at 07:50 AM by steveTA84

[Ashdump]

On 12/1/2022 at 8:17 PM, steveTA84 said:

So yeah, ADL lawyers are wanting more funding for enforcement when this goes into effect....

 

Perhaps the ADL need remind itself that this is how the holocaust started?

[Sol-Invictus]

Direction violation of the Illinois Constitution. A local Sherriff need to file charges against all of the legislators and the governor for felony conspiracy to violate rights under the color of law. I am not joking. This needs to be done TODAY. Round them up, jail them and hold without bail. This is a serious violation of human rights and established law. Time for games is done.

 

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION

 

"Subject only to the police power, the right of the Individual

citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Section

22, Article I of the Illinois Bill of Rights.*

 

*The Sixth Illinois Constitutional Conventions Committee on Bill

of Rights in their official commentary interpreted this provision

in 1970 as a guarantee that "a citizen has the right to possess

and make reasonable use of arms that law-abiding citizens

commonly employ for purposes of recreation of protection of

person and property." Any use of the police power, the Committee

said, that "attempted to ban all possession or use of such arms,

or laws that subjected possession or use of such arms to

regulations or taxes so onerous that ail possession or use was

effectively banned, would be invalid."

 

 

[Matt B]

On 12/3/2022 at 1:11 AM, cybermgk said:

 

Yeah so we could be in a situation where both the southern district of CA and the 4th circuit have decisions striking down assault weapon bans (plus the restraining orders in place in Colorado) before the Illinois ban is even voted on.

[djmarkla]

At this point my faith in the judicial system is pretty weak as well. 

On 12/3/2022 at 1:49 AM, steveTA84 said:

And how do you plan on doing that with an anti-gun majority with no wild cards in both chambers?

 

not an insult btw, so please don’t take it as one. 

 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:13 AM, djmarkla said:

At this point my faith in the judicial system is pretty weak as well. 

 

Without penalties for creating known unconstitutional laws to deny citizens rights it will not stop.   Just like the (I think it was) the CDC was banned from investigating and making any gun statements because of the completely fabricated statistics, gun at home more likely to be used against you... 

A judge needs to order constitutional review for any law regarding firearms or related supplies.  

 

[steveTA84]

On 12/3/2022 at 5:37 AM, Sol-Invictus said:

Direction violation of the Illinois Constitution. A local Sherriff need to file charges against all of the legislators and the governor for felony conspiracy to violate rights under the color of law. I am not joking. This needs to be done TODAY. Round them up, jail them and hold without bail. This is a serious violation of human rights and established law. Time for games is done.

 

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION

 

"Subject only to the police power, the right of the Individual

citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Section

22, Article I of the Illinois Bill of Rights.*

 

*The Sixth Illinois Constitutional Conventions Committee on Bill

of Rights in their official commentary interpreted this provision

in 1970 as a guarantee that "a citizen has the right to possess

and make reasonable use of arms that law-abiding citizens

commonly employ for purposes of recreation of protection of

person and property." Any use of the police power, the Committee

said, that "attempted to ban all possession or use of such arms,

or laws that subjected possession or use of such arms to

regulations or taxes so onerous that ail possession or use was

effectively banned, would be invalid."

 

 

Further,

[Upholder]

Witness slips are way closer than makes me comfortable, 545 to 782.  The other side is getting some traction with everytown/etc.

[mab22]

On 12/2/2022 at 11:51 PM, JTHunter said:

Slip filed.

 

In an earlier post, somebody suggested letting them pass this heinous legislation, then sue them.

Wouldn't it be less expensive to defeat this legislation before it is passed?

But then there is no lefty meltdown temper tantrum’s to watch. 
Where is the fun in that, plus them actually being told you can’t do any of this, including the FOID.

 

[Dx54r]

On 12/3/2022 at 9:57 AM, Upholder said:

Witness slips are way closer than makes me comfortable, 545 to 782.  The other side is getting some traction with everytown/etc.

Witness slips are just fun because they are easy to do and see to determine how much visibility a bill is getting. x oppose, y support. In reality, half the names are fake. I wouldn't take it too seriously, because the politicians sure don't.

Edited December 3, 2022 at 05:04 PM by Dx54r

[Quiet Observer]

On 12/3/2022 at 5:37 AM, Sol-Invictus said:

Direction violation of the Illinois Constitution. A local Sherriff need to file charges against all of the legislators and the governor for felony conspiracy to violate rights under the color of law. I am not joking. This needs to be done TODAY. Round them up, jail them and hold without bail. This is a serious violation of human rights and established law. Time for games is done.

 

STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION

 

"Subject only to the police power, the right of the Individual

citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Section

22, Article I of the Illinois Bill of Rights.*

 

*The Sixth Illinois Constitutional Conventions Committee on Bill

of Rights in their official commentary interpreted this provision

in 1970 as a guarantee that "a citizen has the right to possess

and make reasonable use of arms that law-abiding citizens

commonly employ for purposes of recreation of protection of

person and property." Any use of the police power, the Committee

said, that "attempted to ban all possession or use of such arms,

or laws that subjected possession or use of such arms to

regulations or taxes so onerous that ail possession or use was

effectively banned, would be invalid."

 

 

Can you cite any incidence in which federal, state, or local legislators and chief executives have been arrested for voting for or signing a law that was later found to be unconstitutional? Various laws and executive actions are found to be unconstitutional over the years. How much jail time do you think that Presidents Trump, Obama, Clinton, Carter, and the Bushes should serve. 

This article cites times that President Trump's actions were found to be unconstitutional by the courts. I am sure that I could find similar articles about all the other presidents. 

Report: 60+ Court Decisions Have Ruled Trump Policies Unconstitutional | HillReporter

[Sol-Invictus]

They know it is unconstitutional and they are proceeding with their felonious collusion anyway. You are referencing disputed lower court decisions, many made by radical justices that should have disbarred , impeached or arrested. 

 

Those were also policies that were open to reasonable interpretation. These are clearly not. Apples to Oramges comparison.

 

I don't care if there have been cases or not. These legislators and the governor have violated the law and they need to be charged, arrested, tried, if convicted given harsh prison sentences. 20 years with no parole would seen like a good start for a first offense of this type of heinous human right violation. 

[John Q Public]

Something shifty going on there, I didn't do one yet and they have me as a pro. Looks like someone has their thumb on the scale.

[steveTA84]

Went to 2 gun stores today. Mags and rifles are flying off the shelves LOL 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 12/3/2022 at 1:12 PM, steveTA84 said:

Went to 2 gun stores today. Mags and rifles are flying off the shelves LOL 

Another illinois surge can we beat the 24% of all firearms sold in America again this year? 

[Gerlo]

It appears that the scheduled committee hearing was canceled.

Edited December 3, 2022 at 07:43 PM by Gerlo

[Scotty425]

Here's something something that I haven't seen mentioned yet.

 

How many more FFLs will go out of business if this law is upheld?

 

This state caused over half of the FFLs in the state to shut down with the passing of the Gun Dealer Licensing law. Can we afford to lose half of the remaining ones?

 

 

 

[cybermgk]

On 12/3/2022 at 7:29 AM, Matt B said:

Yeah so we could be in a situation where both the southern district of CA and the 4th circuit have decisions striking down assault weapon bans (plus the restraining orders in place in Colorado) before the Illinois ban is even voted on.

Yes, and if so, ammunition to use in opposition

[Quiet Observer]

On 12/3/2022 at 11:41 AM, Sol-Invictus said:

They know it is unconstitutional and they are proceeding with their felonious collusion anyway. You are referencing disputed lower court decisions, many made by radical justices that should have disbarred , impeached or arrested. 

 

Those were also policies that were open to reasonable interpretation. These are clearly not. Apples to Oramges comparison.

 

I don't care if there have been cases or not. These legislators and the governor have violated the law and they need to be charged, arrested, tried, if convicted given harsh prison sentences. 20 years with no parole would seen like a good start for a first offense of this type of heinous human right violation. 

Are you claiming the ability to read minds or are aware of writings of various state and federal legislators and present or past presidents or governors that would indicate that they knowingly voted for or signed unconstitutional legislation? 

 

Lower court decisions remain in effect unless overruled by a higher court.  

 

How would you enforce you rules? Say, 6 months after a law goes into effect, it is declared unconstitutional. That means over half of the legislative body and the chief executive are arrested and jailed. How would you replace them? Maybe the next year another unconstitutional law is passed, or a law passed 3 years ago is found to be unconstitutional. Now more legislators are subject to arrest. We again have major disruption of the legislative process. What happens 10 years down the line and the U.S. Supreme Court reverses the lower courts and finds the laws to be constitutional? Do you arrest the lower court judges? 

 

Just to be clear, I am not supporting the legislation cited in the OP. 

 

 

[mauserme]

I received notice this afternoon that the 12/9/2022 hearing has been cancelled.

 

Stay tuned.  I'm sure we're not done yet.

 

 

ETA  as Gerlo posted above.

 

 

[mauserme]

If nothing else I got the Call to Action drafted, for possible use in the future.

 

 

[IH8IL]

On 12/3/2022 at 4:12 PM, mauserme said:

I received notice this afternoon that the 12/9/2022 hearing has been cancelled.

 

Stay tuned.  I'm sure we're not done yet.

 

 

ETA  as Gerlo posted above.

 

 

What does that mean? Bill is on hold?

[mauserme]

On 12/3/2022 at 7:19 PM, IH8IL said:

What does that mean? Bill is on hold?

 

It could be something as simple as a scheduling conflict or, perhaps, something more.

 

[crufflesmuth]

Since it's not "illegal" and just a point of discussion, 

 

registering a "assault weapon" under this bill isn't smart; they're using affidavit's which

means you're certifying everything you're attesting to. Why is this important? 

 

When they come back, through another round of legislation and attempt banning "grandfathered" weapons,

THAT will be prima facie evidence prosecutors and prosecution will use to convict people;

 

Don't do it! It's more work for them if you don't.

[357]

On 12/1/2022 at 7:54 PM, steveTA84 said:

Stop thinking that way. We are way past the point in which they will just leave you be for having things they don’t want you to have

Things bought legally by more than 2 million law abiding Illinois residents which they want to turn into felons for possessing even an "assault" shotgun but the real criminals that are doing the shootings can have AR-15 with 100 round drum magazines no problem and don't even get charged and get a slap on the wrist under the SAFE-T ACT AKA protect and embolden the criminals Act. They are disarming law abiding people and giving the criminals the upper hand which will exponentially increase crime but they don't care about crime and it's about control as always.

 

ETA this is entrapment too and Ex Post Facto law and Unconstitutional.

Edited December 5, 2022 at 07:49 AM by 357

[357]

On 12/2/2022 at 10:27 AM, solareclipse2 said:

If I’m reading this malarkey correctly, this pretty much makes all common firearms except maybe shotguns and revolvers assault weapons and bans them either due to features, magazine capacity, or caliber in the case if .50 caliber anything. Is that accurate?

"Assault" shotguns are in the bill and will become illegal.

[357]

On 12/3/2022 at 3:30 AM, Ashdump said:

Perhaps the ADL need remind itself that this is how the holocaust started?

They're behind it, Bob does what they say just like Biden.

[solareclipse2]

On 12/5/2022 at 1:44 AM, 357 said:

"Assault" shotguns are in the bill and will become illegal.

 

You don't happen to have that bit handy do you?

[steveTA84]

On 12/5/2022 at 7:49 AM, solareclipse2 said:

 

You don't happen to have that bit handy do you?

[solareclipse2]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:11 AM, steveTA84 said:

 

Wow. Just wow.