G214me Posted December 6, 2022 at 03:54 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 03:54 PM On 12/6/2022 at 9:46 AM, steveTA84 said: Well, they need to be educated that what the state is doing is illegal under the federal 1986 FOPA The way the zombies in this state keep voting to make every aspect of life in this state worse ( unless you want a free abortion or maybe a check you didn't earn ) I have to say good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 03:57 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 03:57 PM On 12/6/2022 at 9:54 AM, G214me said: The way the zombies in this state keep voting to make every aspect of life in this state worse ( unless you want a free abortion or maybe a check you didn't earn ) I have to say good luck with that. I Don’t disagree..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southsider009 Posted December 6, 2022 at 05:02 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 05:02 PM Is the second amendment foundation going to file the lawsuit against this? Trying to figure who to support first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted December 6, 2022 at 05:46 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 05:46 PM On 12/6/2022 at 7:38 AM, dukemason said: Why doesn’t this bill apply the same restrictions to law enforcement in Illinois? Why do Chicago Democrats want this disparity? Why doesn't it apply to politicians and their bodyguards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanoldman Posted December 6, 2022 at 06:22 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 06:22 PM New to the forum. I have been following this thread with much interest. One aspect that I haven't seen much if any discussion on is how this bill not only applies to the state of IL but extends its governance to all 50 states in the union. As a IL resident, once passed, I would be unable to purchase a restricted item in another state and maintain that item in said other state. So this law is not just a state level law but a IL citizen law that follows and controls them throughout the entire united states. This is because gun laws, as I understand them, are home state bound. Is my understanding of this correct? And how is this sort of absurd overreach even conceivable? Is there any other home state laws that carry to another state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinois Sucks Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:07 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:07 PM On 12/6/2022 at 12:22 PM, justanoldman said: New to the forum. I have been following this thread with much interest. One aspect that I haven't seen much if any discussion on is how this bill not only applies to the state of IL but extends its governance to all 50 states in the union. As a IL resident, once passed, I would be unable to purchase a restricted item in another state and maintain that item in said other state. So this law is not just a state level law but a IL citizen law that follows and controls them throughout the entire united states. This is because gun laws, as I understand them, are home state bound. Is my understanding of this correct? And how is this sort of absurd overreach even conceivable? Is there any other home state laws that carry to another state? As a resident of Illinois, you could only buy a gun from out of state and have it shipped to an FFL in Illinois for you to pick up. So, yes, you would not be able to purchase something to have at your vacation home / hunting lodge out of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunuser17 Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:16 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:16 PM Too often people conflate "gun' with all guns. As an Illinois resident, you can buy a long gun in Wisconsin, take possession of it in Wisconsin and keep it at your wisconsin cabin or bring it back to Illinois with you. As discussed in another thread, long guns can be purchased by Illinois residents in the states contiguous to Illinois and possession taken of that long gun without shipping to an Illinois FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rilo Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:38 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:38 PM On 12/6/2022 at 1:16 PM, gunuser17 said: Too often people conflate "gun' with all guns. As an Illinois resident, you can buy a long gun in Wisconsin, take possession of it in Wisconsin and keep it at your wisconsin cabin or bring it back to Illinois with you. As discussed in another thread, long guns can be purchased by Illinois residents in the states contiguous to Illinois and possession taken of that long gun without shipping to an Illinois FFL. highly unlikely any FFL's are going to do this going forward if you have an IL address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:39 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:39 PM On 12/6/2022 at 1:16 PM, gunuser17 said: Too often people conflate "gun' with all guns. As an Illinois resident, you can buy a long gun in Wisconsin, take possession of it in Wisconsin and keep it at your wisconsin cabin or bring it back to Illinois with you. As discussed in another thread, long guns can be purchased by Illinois residents in the states contiguous to Illinois and possession taken of that long gun without shipping to an Illinois FFL. To justanoldman's point, you can't do the same thing in Colorado, though, because it's not contiguous. Back to Wisconsin, though... Having purchased a long gun at Cabela's in Wisconsin, I know that they comply with the FOID requirement and make you wait 72 hours. Do they do that because the state says so or because it's a CYA move on their part? Either way, will they also enforce any restrictions built into HB5855? "Sorry, IL resident, you can't buy that evil black rifle..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:55 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:55 PM Can I violate Illinois Law while not in Illinois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:57 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 07:57 PM Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » New group launches to push assault weapons ban, other elements of newly introduced legislation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korgs130 Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:13 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:13 PM On 12/6/2022 at 1:57 PM, countyline said: Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » New group launches to push assault weapons ban, other elements of newly introduced legislation Looks to be set up specifically to rally support and produce propaganda in favor of HB5855. Not surprisingly staffed by known anti civil rights democrat party members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanoldman Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:14 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:14 PM On 12/6/2022 at 1:07 PM, Illinois Sucks said: As a resident of Illinois, you could only buy a gun from out of state and have it shipped to an FFL in Illinois for you to pick up. So, yes, you would not be able to purchase something to have at your vacation home / hunting lodge out of state. This is exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:14 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:14 PM On 12/6/2022 at 1:57 PM, countyline said: Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » New group launches to push assault weapons ban, other elements of newly introduced legislation More on Becky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckycarroll7 Considered one of Chicago's top public affairs strategists, Becky is a two-decade veteran of high-profile political, crisis and public policy campaigns. She led public engagement and communications strategies to develop and promote bold, new initiatives on education, economic development, housing, pensions, and budget and finance issues. She served as a top adviser to public-sector executives at both Chicago's City Hall and the Illinois Office of the Governor lending her expertise to build stakeholder support for large scale public/private developments and partnerships. Her public sector executive experience includes: City of Chicago Departments of Planning & Development and Housing; Chicago Mayor’s Office; Chicago Public Schools; and Illinois Governor’s Office of Management and Budget. Becky has also held top positions on multiple local, state and national political campaigns, including National Director of Women for Obama on the 2008 Obama for President campaign. She also served as communications advisor to Governor-elect J.B. Pritzker‘s 2018 transition team. She's the founder and president of C-Strategies Inc., a strategic communications and public affairs firm that leads business and non-profit public affairs, crisis and advocacy campaigns, while helping clients get their stories told. As part of her firm’s mission, she focuses on empowering women and elevating their voices and issues that uniquely impact them through her monthly podcast “The Broad Cast”. Civic, volunteer and recognitions have include...Board member: NARAL Pro-Choice America; Equality Illinois; One Illinois; Chicago Area Public Affairs Group; and One Illinois. Mentoring: 1871; and Loyola University Chicago, Inside Government. Recognitions: Today.com 2016 “7 Parents Who Inspired Us”; “Making A Difference Award” 2016, Syrian American Medical Society; WeWill "Mom of the Year" 2017; and Chicago Business Journal 2018 Woman of Influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korgs130 Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:19 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:19 PM I typical statist fashion, the name of the bill / pac does the exact opposite of it’s title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:56 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 08:56 PM On 12/6/2022 at 2:19 PM, korgs130 said: I typical statist fashion, the name of the bill / pac does the exact opposite of it’s title. On 12/6/2022 at 2:14 PM, steveTA84 said: More on Becky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckycarroll7 Considered one of Chicago's top public affairs strategists, Becky is a two-decade veteran of high-profile political, crisis and public policy campaigns. She led public engagement and communications strategies to develop and promote bold, new initiatives on education, economic development, housing, pensions, and budget and finance issues. She served as a top adviser to public-sector executives at both Chicago's City Hall and the Illinois Office of the Governor lending her expertise to build stakeholder support for large scale public/private developments and partnerships. Her public sector executive experience includes: City of Chicago Departments of Planning & Development and Housing; Chicago Mayor’s Office; Chicago Public Schools; and Illinois Governor’s Office of Management and Budget. Becky has also held top positions on multiple local, state and national political campaigns, including National Director of Women for Obama on the 2008 Obama for President campaign. She also served as communications advisor to Governor-elect J.B. Pritzker‘s 2018 transition team. She's the founder and president of C-Strategies Inc., a strategic communications and public affairs firm that leads business and non-profit public affairs, crisis and advocacy campaigns, while helping clients get their stories told. As part of her firm’s mission, she focuses on empowering women and elevating their voices and issues that uniquely impact them through her monthly podcast “The Broad Cast”. Civic, volunteer and recognitions have include...Board member: NARAL Pro-Choice America; Equality Illinois; One Illinois; Chicago Area Public Affairs Group; and One Illinois. Mentoring: 1871; and Loyola University Chicago, Inside Government. Recognitions: Today.com 2016 “7 Parents Who Inspired Us”; “Making A Difference Award” 2016, Syrian American Medical Society; WeWill "Mom of the Year" 2017; and Chicago Business Journal 2018 Woman of Influence. So basically all this bleeding heart commie woman did is create a tax exempt non-profit that mirrors what her for-profit company C-Strategies does.... She’s an experienced propagandist that uses her expertise to weaponize political agendas and cultural movements (like the #MeToo movement). We really just need to stand aside and let them pass the most draconian bill they can with no interference from people in the house or senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:27 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:27 PM Oregon’s measure 114 is getting spicy. This just prohibits the sale of “hi-cap” mags (amongst other things), and here’s where that’s at right now. relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:40 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:40 PM On 12/6/2022 at 3:27 PM, steveTA84 said: Oregon’s measure 114 is getting spicy. This just prohibits the sale of “hi-cap” mags (amongst other things), and here’s where that’s at right now. relevant Very exciting but thats a state court decision though. Does that still help provide persuasive case law across the 9th circuit and other areas of the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:49 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 09:49 PM On 12/6/2022 at 3:40 PM, Matt B said: Very exciting but thats a state court decision though. Does that still help provide persuasive case law across the 9th circuit and other areas of the country? All cases can be looked at and reviewed for “ammo” is what I’m getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 10:13 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 10:13 PM What was used to get that legislation squashed? Guns that held more than 10 rounds were around at the fine Oregon became a state, and just like in IL, there were no restrictions on capacity at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:04 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:04 PM On 12/6/2022 at 2:56 PM, steveTA84 said: We really just need to stand aside and let them pass the most draconian bill they can with no interference from people in the house or senate. I completely agree. I think we should have constitutional carry. Until we get the judicial system to slap down these egregious gun control bills we should not educate the legislators on how stupid they are. Pass HB5855 and let the courts use the standard of review set by the NYSRPA case to b**** slap their dumb ***** 👍😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:36 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:36 PM On 12/6/2022 at 5:28 PM, Dx54r said: How are we going to get constitutional carry when we need a FOID to even own a firearm? As always, the left goes too far on things and it leads to them getting slapped down in court. A very recent example (disregard the EPA ruling on this one too, where they changed the rules so they could bypass congress to “fight climate change”) is Roe v Wade being overturned. What happened there? Well, abortion activists went after the state of Mississippi because the state has an abortion ban after 15 weeks. Instead of leaving it alone (pick your battles), the abortion activists wanted to fight it and go farther. What happened? Well, R v W was overturned (not that abortion was a constitutional right, but it was protected federally) and it kicked abortion back to the states. It (challenging Mississippi) backfired immensely and then F’ed the whole abortion movement in a sense. Apply that to guns (an actual constitutional right) and what the left/dems are doing. After Bruen, they doubled down instead of backing off and cooling it. It’s not going to end well for the firearm prohibitionists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:36 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:36 PM On 12/6/2022 at 5:28 PM, Dx54r said: How are we going to get constitutional carry when we need a FOID to even own a firearm? I’m guessing the FOID would need to be dismissed through some legal action. Cheers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:53 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:53 PM On 12/6/2022 at 5:28 PM, Dx54r said: How are we going to get constitutional carry when we need a FOID to even own a firearm? Challenge the requirement to have a FOID Card. Again, look back to the history of the 2A from 1791. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerlo Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:56 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:56 PM These scum-sucking Democrats have no shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:56 PM Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:56 PM On 12/6/2022 at 5:28 PM, Dx54r said: How are we going to get constitutional carry when we need a FOID to even own a firearm? In my opinion, openly carrying firearms without a permit is about as close to the core right as you can get. Concealed carry less so. I believe states that make open carry illegal will eventually get slapped down, and will face a choice of making concealed carry more convenient, or deal with folks walking around with guns on their hips or in hand, as they did when the country was founded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:58 PM Share Posted December 6, 2022 at 11:58 PM On 12/6/2022 at 5:56 PM, mauserme said: In my opinion, openly carrying firearms without a permit is about as close to the core right as you can get. Concealed carry less so. I believe states that make open carry illegal will eventually get slapped down, and will face a choice of making concealed carry more convenient, or deal with folks walking around with guns on their hips or in hand, as they did when the country was founded. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted December 7, 2022 at 12:00 AM Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 at 12:00 AM On 12/6/2022 at 5:56 PM, Gerlo said: These scum-sucking Democrats have no shame We (IllinoisCarry) are neutral on that. It a resolution that will be approved for consideration during the hearing Monday, and will be adopted by both bodies in early January session. It's a resolution... We need to stay focused on the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 7, 2022 at 01:08 AM Share Posted December 7, 2022 at 01:08 AM Moms Demand Action’s favorite state Rep did an article for the Sun-Times today. As expected, nothing new and filled with emotionally charged dribble. The title alone should make you puke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted December 7, 2022 at 01:15 AM Share Posted December 7, 2022 at 01:15 AM On 12/6/2022 at 7:08 PM, steveTA84 said: Moms Demand Action’s favorite state Rep did an article for the Sun-Times today. As expected, nothing new and filled with emotionally charged dribble. The title alone should make you puke Across Illinois? She should be so worried about the killing in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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