illinois_buckeye Posted May 17, 2023 at 07:50 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 07:50 PM On 5/17/2023 at 1:17 PM, cybermgk said: SCOTUS almost never does an interlocutory injunction (i.e. before it's even been heard in the lwer appeals court). They didn't do it in the 2nd Court of Appeals, but issued a warning that they better then move fast on it. This is EXACTLY why the 7th Court of Appeals, our Appeals court rushed the hearing schedule, to forstall any of that. One video I saw said something to this effect. That basically they were rushing because the lower court was essentially afraid of getting in trouble with SCOTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted May 17, 2023 at 08:33 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 08:33 PM (edited) Take heart, if you don't think SCJ-ACB doesn't see it for what it is, you do her a great disservice. She threw it down and they complied, (sort-of)so the process continues. I, wish she wouldn't have given them the ultimatum, and chopped them at the knees, but she is a real jurist and acts accordingly. Even though we all know it was BS, they appeared to comply with her directive. If she had done otherwise, it would appear disingenuous, and more ammo for the other side. I believe in the majority of this court, let's hope they get it done before it changes. They are going to try every means to change the court. We shall not let that happen unlawfully. Edited May 17, 2023 at 08:42 PM by John Q Public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted May 17, 2023 at 08:49 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 08:49 PM It burns my rump when the liberal socialists commies can get courts to rule for them in an instant but our side can not!!! We have to sit around and let them screw us over! Getting sick and tired of getting the short end of the stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:34 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:34 PM (edited) Scotus declined to intervene. https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/court-rejects-request-to-temporarily-block-illinois-assault-weapon-bans/ Edited May 17, 2023 at 09:34 PM by Silhouette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stigz Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:44 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:44 PM Anyone else notice the blatant bias in news feeds on this topic? A judge writes a well thought injunction explaining why the case likely will fail...nothing to see hear. The US supreme court doesn't take up a case because it hasn't run its course yet...all gun bans are legitimized! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:48 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 09:48 PM On 5/17/2023 at 3:49 PM, ragsbo said: It burns my rump when the liberal socialists commies can get courts to rule for them in an instant but our side can not!!! We have to sit around and let them screw us over! Getting sick and tired of getting the short end of the stick Its because conservatives aren't willing to do the questionable backchannel deals that the commies do.........anyone who doesn't think all the stars magically lining up for Easterbrook to jump in wasn't intentional is kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 17, 2023 at 10:04 PM Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 10:04 PM On 5/17/2023 at 5:34 PM, Silhouette said: Scotus declined to intervene. https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/court-rejects-request-to-temporarily-block-illinois-assault-weapon-bans/ Sadly, we now have 3 different threads discussing this denial. This thread, about the Bevis case. The thread about the Barnett case, because apparently people can't tell them apart. And a new, separate thread, because the poster says he couldn't find this thread, despite looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 17, 2023 at 10:07 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 10:07 PM On 5/17/2023 at 5:04 PM, Euler said: Sadly, we now have 3 different threads discussing this denial. This thread, about the Bevis case. The thread about the Barnett case, because apparently people can't tell them apart. And a new, separate thread, because the poster says he couldn't find this thread, despite looking. Yeah, lots of new threads for topics already being discussed lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted May 17, 2023 at 11:37 PM Share Posted May 17, 2023 at 11:37 PM On 5/17/2023 at 5:04 PM, Euler said: Sadly, we now have 3 different threads discussing this denial. This thread, about the Bevis case. The thread about the Barnett case, because apparently people can't tell them apart. And a new, separate thread, because the poster says he couldn't find this thread, despite looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:33 AM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:33 AM Saw a news report the Supremes will not put a hold on our AWB as it works through the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:02 AM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:02 AM On 5/17/2023 at 11:41 AM, Retiredguns said: Illinois' ban will remain in effect while lower courts consider its constitutional status https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-allows-illinois-assault-weapons-ban-take-effect Does not give a warm & fuzzy. I merged this thread into the existing Bevis topic in order to keep discussion in one place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:05 AM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:05 AM On 5/17/2023 at 10:34 AM, steveTA84 said: This and some posts that followed have been moved from the Barnett thread into Bevis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:54 AM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:54 AM We think we’re correct on this law. No ruling so far that bolstered our belief has been upheld on appeal. We get TROs and injections stating more information is needed. That inferior courts need to work it out.0 This is our last chance SCOTUS mix and they are doing a bit of a dance around it, does not give one much hope. If Illinois banned Islam or the catholic church, would they be so reserved in their approach? We’re talking high powered weapons here. Its not a coequal right in a lot of folks minds, even though Bruen says it is. The court goes into recess soon which means the registration is on come October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:59 AM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 11:59 AM On 5/18/2023 at 6:54 AM, lilguy said: We think we’re correct on this law. No ruling so far that bolstered our belief has been upheld on appeal. We get TROs and injections stating more information is needed. That inferior courts need to work it out.0 This is our last chance SCOTUS mix and they are doing a bit of a dance around it, does not give one much hope. If Illinois banned Islam or the catholic church, would they be so reserved in their approach? We’re talking high powered weapons here. Its not a coequal right in a lot of folks minds, even though Bruen says it is. The court goes into recess soon which means the registration is on come October. The politicians and state have already said there’s more to come. I would take them seriously, and giving them a list of what you own, while up to each individual, is a sure way to be on the chopping block until this thing is sorted out. That said, I’ve been told that ISP has no idea how they’re gonna implement an (illegal) registration system and it’s gonna be a mess lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmarkla Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:19 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:19 PM On 5/17/2023 at 2:28 PM, Tvandermyde said: wrong Court By bad! i was jumping threads and got twisted up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM On 5/18/2023 at 6:59 AM, steveTA84 said: The politicians and state have already said there’s more to come. I would take them seriously, and giving them a list of what you own, while up to each individual, is a sure way to be on the chopping block until this thing is sorted out. That said, I’ve been told that ISP has no idea how they’re gonna implement an (illegal) registration system and it’s gonna be a mess lol I'll tell you how they plan to initially enforce it. They will concentrate on those citizens with the most background checks over a certain period of time. They will then go through their FFLs' records until they find a semi automatic rifle that was not registered. Then, they will kick in such persons' doors, seize the rifle(s), along with all their other, non-subject firearms, on the premise that a felony has allegedly been committed. They will then leak to their friends in the media how they have been discovering and confiscating "arsenals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:31 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 12:31 PM SOme common sense, calm info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted May 18, 2023 at 01:16 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 01:16 PM On 5/18/2023 at 7:22 AM, 2A4Cook said: I'll tell you how they plan to initially enforce it. They will concentrate on those citizens with the most background checks over a certain period of time. They will then go through their FFLs' records until they find a semi automatic rifle that was not registered. Then, they will kick in such persons' doors, seize the rifle(s), along with all their other, non-subject firearms, on the premise that a felony has allegedly been committed. They will then leak to their friends in the media how they have been discovering and confiscating "arsenals." Jan 6th, along with Pritzker's cram down behavior, show that only "their" house is sacrosanct. Your right to defend yourself is meaningless to them (well actually they see the 2A as a threat to their autocratic power). .None of this is about public safety or there would be more focus on mental illness, hardening of schools, etc. I think you're right about wanting to make examples of a few "arsenals" to brag about taking down "threats to Democracy". It's pure horse pucky, but the complicit media will gobble that up. We're not just the right, we're the "have been right so far" when it comes to conspiracy theories and corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:11 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:11 PM On 5/18/2023 at 7:31 AM, cybermgk said: SOme common sense, calm info This guy isn't from Illinois. He likely isn't aware of the state's proclivity towards last minute motions for extensions/continuances (or, he's stupidly believing that this time the court will stick to the original schedule). We all know that this will not go back down to the lower courts for trial at the end of June. We also know that when they do lose and are subject to a permanent injunction, they will go right back to the 7th, and Easterbrook will grant a so-called emergency stay. It will be right back to where we are now, except it will be 2024. I pray to God that I'm wrong about this, but I've seen too much of this crap for too long to believe that suddenly the State of Illinois will be forced to play by the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:47 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 02:47 PM On 5/18/2023 at 9:11 AM, 2A4Cook said: This guy isn't from Illinois. He likely isn't aware of the state's proclivity towards last minute motions for extensions/continuances (or, he's stupidly believing that this time the court will stick to the original schedule). We all know that this will not go back down to the lower courts for trial at the end of June. We also know that when they do lose and are subject to a permanent injunction, they will go right back to the 7th, and Easterbrook will grant a so-called emergency stay. It will be right back to where we are now, except it will be 2024. I pray to God that I'm wrong about this, but I've seen too much of this crap for too long to believe that suddenly the State of Illinois will be forced to play by the rules. Remember, we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted May 18, 2023 at 03:38 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 03:38 PM On 5/18/2023 at 9:11 AM, 2A4Cook said: This guy isn't from Illinois. He likely isn't aware of the state's proclivity towards last minute motions for extensions/continuances (or, he's stupidly believing that this time the court will stick to the original schedule). We all know that this will not go back down to the lower courts for trial at the end of June. We also know that when they do lose and are subject to a permanent injunction, they will go right back to the 7th, and Easterbrook will grant a so-called emergency stay. It will be right back to where we are now, except it will be 2024. I pray to God that I'm wrong about this, but I've seen too much of this crap for too long to believe that suddenly the State of Illinois will be forced to play by the rules. And if they don't adhere to the schedule, then, our ide can reapply to SCOTUS for an emergency injunction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted May 18, 2023 at 04:14 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 04:14 PM On 5/18/2023 at 10:38 AM, cybermgk said: And if they don't adhere to the schedule, then, our ide can reapply to SCOTUS for an emergency injunction. The Seventh Circuit seemed pretty strict about the schedule. In their words: "Motions to extend these dates, or to allow late filings by amici curiae, will not be entertained." Seems like they're not playing games here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted May 18, 2023 at 09:55 PM Share Posted May 18, 2023 at 09:55 PM On 5/18/2023 at 11:14 AM, MrTriple said: The Seventh Circuit seemed pretty strict about the schedule. In their words: "Motions to extend these dates, or to allow late filings by amici curiae, will not be entertained." Seems like they're not playing games here. Like I said, will have to see it actually happen to believe it. It should be stayed it until all the courts dancing gets done. That way the state will want to push it as fast as they can because they can't screw folks over. As it is, the state loves to drag it out and keep screwing folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted May 19, 2023 at 03:04 PM Share Posted May 19, 2023 at 03:04 PM On 5/17/2023 at 4:44 PM, stigz said: Anyone else notice the blatant bias in news feeds on this topic? A judge writes a well thought injunction explaining why the case likely will fail...nothing to see hear. The US supreme court doesn't take up a case because it hasn't run its course yet...all gun bans are legitimized! Yes I've noticed that too. Saw various major so called news sites carry the story ( even though the covered nothing else until now ) and they spew garbage and always bring up mass killings but never self defense or anything else. Most media is nauseating horse s**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted May 19, 2023 at 03:31 PM Share Posted May 19, 2023 at 03:31 PM On 5/18/2023 at 4:55 PM, ragsbo said: Like I said, will have to see it actually happen to believe it. It should be stayed it until all the courts dancing gets done. That way the state will want to push it as fast as they can because they can't screw folks over. As it is, the state loves to drag it out and keep screwing folks. Even if the 7th Circuit were to try to slow-roll this, they can’t do anything about the semiauto bans in other circuits. When SCOTUS wants to take an AWB case, there will be plenty of choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 19, 2023 at 10:54 PM Share Posted May 19, 2023 at 10:54 PM On 5/17/2023 at 4:44 PM, stigz said: Anyone else notice the blatant bias in news feeds on this topic? A judge writes a well thought injunction explaining why the case likely will fail...nothing to see hear. The US supreme court doesn't take up a case because it hasn't run its course yet...all gun bans are legitimized! Yep, the media spin a narrative, due to silence or half-reporting, and then they toss in an opinion. As you said this was a prime example, and like you said the media is hyping up the fact that the Supreme Court didn't take up the case as a victory legitimizing all gun bans, even though the case continues, without even touching on the fact that it was extremely rare for the SCOTUS to get involved at all this early on and that precedent leans towards the Supreme Court not getting involved until the lower courts actually complete the case and rule. The fact that the SCOTUS got involved at all shows the SCOTUS is watching these cases, and anyone paying attention knows that Bruen was already the white glove slap to the lower courts for not following Heller and a warning they need to get with the program. I have no doubt that if any circuit court upholds these bans the SCOTUS is going to come out with boxing gloves on and lay down the law hard on the lower courts making them well aware that they are the inferior courts and are bound to follow SCOTUS precedent. As bad is it is, we just need to tollerate the not so fun ride until the end, and watch the avalanche of falling gun laws start as once these magazine and "assualt weapon" bans fail, we will be in a position to tear down a plethora of gun laws across the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted May 20, 2023 at 03:32 PM Share Posted May 20, 2023 at 03:32 PM It took a court order to get us CCW. We were last to fall in line and we got it. Illinois is in the vanguard on gun control with this law. They are not gonna roll over on this one. No one will be happier than I if they slap all this down. I also will not be at all surprised if the court don’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if they said we have the right to purchase and own but registering them is perfectly ok. A lot of thing in life need to be registered, why not guns. The Abortion firestorm has some SCOTUS member with security now. I hope they see opening the floodgates to future firearms sales as a right. But Im holding back on my enthusiasm and not doing anything spur of the moment stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 20, 2023 at 04:47 PM Share Posted May 20, 2023 at 04:47 PM On 5/20/2023 at 10:32 AM, lilguy said: It took a court order to get us CCW. ... That's part of the reason the pro-gun side decided against any negotiations. Following NYSRPA v Bruen the idea was to let them pass the worst possible law, then bring that POS to court. They accommodated quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted May 20, 2023 at 06:37 PM Share Posted May 20, 2023 at 06:37 PM On 5/20/2023 at 11:47 AM, mauserme said: That's part of the reason the pro-gun side decided against any negotiations. Following NYSRPA v Bruen the idea was to let them pass the worst possible law, then bring that POS to court. They accommodated quite nicely. Something tells me they are saying the same thing. The law firm that started all this needs to handled VERY CAREFULLY. Does everyone know their background to the last few presidential elections? You also know the tubby tyrant has hired them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 20, 2023 at 06:41 PM Share Posted May 20, 2023 at 06:41 PM On 5/18/2023 at 11:14 AM, MrTriple said: The Seventh Circuit seemed pretty strict about the schedule. In their words: "Motions to extend these dates, or to allow late filings by amici curiae, will not be entertained." Seems like they're not playing games here. They won't be entertained, but they will be GRANTED for the state ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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