Euler Posted September 21, 2022 at 05:35 PM Share Posted September 21, 2022 at 05:35 PM Associated Press AP said: ... The Milwaukee Police Association says the department-issued handguns have inadvertently misfired three times in the last two years resulting in injuries to two officers. Most recently, a 41-year-old officer was shot in the knee on Sept. 10. In July 2020, Officer Adam Maritato, who is a party in the union's lawsuit that was filed this week, was unintentionally shot in the leg by another officer's holstered gun. The lawsuit alleges that when the city purchased the guns in 2019, it knew, or should have known, about the discharge and safety issues. It also says that during training for the weapons, the city "failed to disclose that the P320 had issues with discharging without a trigger pull, and the officers relied on the safety training to be accurate and complete." The lawsuit accuses the city of endangering the safety of its officers and the public by issuing the firearm. The union is asking a Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to force the city to pay damages for the officers' injuries and to replace every department-issued P320 with another firearm. ... Personally, I don't care if it's cops or Alec Baldwin. If the gun discharged, the trigger was pulled. The P320 has been in production since 2014. The drop fix/update has been available since August 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted September 21, 2022 at 06:45 PM Share Posted September 21, 2022 at 06:45 PM It's always somebody else's fault... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted September 21, 2022 at 08:46 PM Share Posted September 21, 2022 at 08:46 PM The P320 was deemed not drop safe right after they came out. The P365 had terrible primer drag issues right after it cme out. And now, the P322 has terrible leading issue in their barrels. Seems to me that SIG could use a lot more R&D and rigid testing on new products prior to releasing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted September 21, 2022 at 09:40 PM Share Posted September 21, 2022 at 09:40 PM Been inside them. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted September 22, 2022 at 01:12 AM Share Posted September 22, 2022 at 01:12 AM All those under-the-table guns that Glock gave police unions, purchasing departments, etc. are paying dividends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 22, 2022 at 11:09 AM Share Posted September 22, 2022 at 11:09 AM On 9/21/2022 at 3:46 PM, JDW said: The P320 was deemed not drop safe right after they came out. The P365 had terrible primer drag issues right after it cme out. And now, the P322 has terrible leading issue in their barrels. Seems to me that SIG could use a lot more R&D and rigid testing on new products prior to releasing them. Can you explain the issue with the P365 and if it’s been corrected ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted September 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM Share Posted September 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM On 9/22/2022 at 6:09 AM, Lou said: Can you explain the issue with the P365 and if it’s been corrected ? It's been corrected long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted September 22, 2022 at 08:44 PM Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 at 08:44 PM On 9/22/2022 at 7:09 AM, Lou said: Can you explain the issue with the P365 and if it’s been corrected ? ] The P365 would start extracting the spent casing while the striker was still in the primer, causing the striker to drag a groove in the primer. SIG updated the striker. It's not a recall, because SIG doesn't consider it a safety issue. If people have an older model with the old striker, they can buy a new striker from the shop and install it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted September 24, 2022 at 03:17 AM Share Posted September 24, 2022 at 03:17 AM On 9/22/2022 at 3:44 PM, Euler said: ] The P365 would start extracting the spent casing while the striker was still in the primer, causing the striker to drag a groove in the primer. SIG updated the striker. It's not a recall, because SIG doesn't consider it a safety issue. If people have an older model with the old striker, they can buy a new striker from the shop and install it. Thanks for the info.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofthanos Posted October 27, 2022 at 12:57 PM Share Posted October 27, 2022 at 12:57 PM On 9/22/2022 at 3:44 PM, Euler said: ] The P365 would start extracting the spent casing while the striker was still in the primer, causing the striker to drag a groove in the primer. SIG updated the striker. It's not a recall, because SIG doesn't consider it a safety issue. If people have an older model with the old striker, they can buy a new striker from the shop and install it. Interesting, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted October 27, 2022 at 08:18 PM Share Posted October 27, 2022 at 08:18 PM That is more likely a timing issue rather than a striker. The cheap fix was probably to shorten the striker, which is a bad idea. I never liked Sig as they were good back in the day, but you paid extra for a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted October 27, 2022 at 09:55 PM Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 at 09:55 PM On 10/27/2022 at 4:18 PM, John Q Public said: That is more likely a timing issue rather than a striker. The cheap fix was probably to shorten the striker, which is a bad idea. ... The timing would be a function of the mass of the striker (lighter is faster) and the strength of the striker reset spring (stronger is faster). SIG doesn't sell individual components of the P365 striker assembly, though, only entire assemblies. Also neither of those things affect the P320, assuming the P320 actually has an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted October 27, 2022 at 10:55 PM Share Posted October 27, 2022 at 10:55 PM Meanwhile Glock should be sending some salesmen to the police union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted October 29, 2022 at 04:23 PM Share Posted October 29, 2022 at 04:23 PM On 10/27/2022 at 4:55 PM, Euler said: The timing would be a function of the mass of the striker (lighter is faster) and the strength of the striker reset spring (stronger is faster). SIG doesn't sell individual components of the P365 striker assembly, though, only entire assemblies. Also neither of those things affect the P320, assuming the P320 actually has an issue. I was speaking of timing in general as in lock and unlock of the barrel as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted October 29, 2022 at 11:04 PM Share Posted October 29, 2022 at 11:04 PM To me, this looks like the gun is unlocking early, or the striker is too late. I have some knowledge in this area. I was a USPSA GM, for those that know what that means.... I built my own firearms too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol-Invictus Posted November 3, 2022 at 03:02 PM Share Posted November 3, 2022 at 03:02 PM Not even an issue when it was an issue. Almost all small guns have it due to slide speed. But to appease the nervous Nellie's they changed the tip. It was and is a non issue for possibly the best, most accurate, reliable, modular, soft shooting carry platform ever created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted November 3, 2022 at 03:42 PM Share Posted November 3, 2022 at 03:42 PM None of my, small guns, large guns or any gun I own have that primer smear. The gun is starting to eject with the firing pin still in contact, if it was designed to do so it's a bad design. I shot USPSA Open with ammo way hotter than any civilian gun, so slide speed is much faster and never had this issue unless there was a timing issue, but I'm not going to argue further, I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted November 13, 2022 at 05:28 AM Share Posted November 13, 2022 at 05:28 AM On 9/22/2022 at 6:09 AM, Lou said: Can you explain the issue with the P365 and if it’s been corrected ? As far as I've seen, it has been corrected. The initial release of the pistol had a terrible problem with primer drag, causing a lot of malfunctions. I saw multiple examples of this on YouTube by big channels. I haven't hear of any issues since the initial release, but then again, I rarely watch YouTube vids which feature Sig anything. For some reason, they seem to get a pass from consumers for releasing defective firearms. It almost seems as if they use their customers as test dummies for their new stuff. I've never been a fan and I'm still not. The whole deal with any firearm is like anything else, buy what you like and enjoy it. Many of my neighbors rushed out and bought P365's when they came out. Hey, if they're happy, I'm happy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted November 16, 2022 at 08:48 PM Share Posted November 16, 2022 at 08:48 PM I had a buddy that was a huge Sig fan when I was shooting competition. He was shooting stock, or what we called, "Production," and he had lots of issues with his gun. I don't remember what model it was, but it cemented my pause of the brand. That's not to disrespect anyone who likes Sig, it's a observation thing with me and I don't mean to be disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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