Bailey or Pritzker

[Matt B]

Yeah I do think the courts are going to block AWB, so I’m curious how aggressive Illinois Dems are going to be pushing the boundaries on this. Will they push for confiscation as was originally pondered in some news articles?

[Jeffrey]

On 11/9/2022 at 3:59 PM, Matt B said:

Yeah I do think the courts are going to block AWB, so I’m curious how aggressive Illinois Dems are going to be pushing the boundaries on this. Will they push for confiscation as was originally pondered in some news articles?

Who besides the court is going to stop them?  They'll push for it all and take whatever they get then sell it as a win for their side.

[ragsbo]

On 11/10/2022 at 7:59 AM, Jeffrey said:

Who besides the court is going to stop them?  They'll push for it all and take whatever they get then sell it as a win for their side.

What needs to be done is to do more than just rule it unconstitutional. Hold them accountable for violating everyone rights! Lock them up like the liberal socialist commies want to do anyone they say does it

[Ranger]

When your opposing party is spending tens of millions in the primary trying to ensure the candidate you support wins, you may be supporting the wrong candidate.  Jeff Foxworthy might word it differently; but I'm pretty certain he would be handing out signs.

 

Realpolitik is real.  A former president was once described as being as liberal as he had to be and as conservative as he could be.  If we hope to have influence, the choice in Illinois primaries shouldn't be who is the most ideologically aligned with us; but who is the most ideologically aligned with us that might actually win.

 

I voted for Trump twice and have the hats, etc.  I think he did more positive for this country than any other president in recent history and shudder to think how much worse off we would have been under clinton and clintons scotus.

 

That said, I also believe that Trump's mouth / ego were among the major reasons why he didn't win a second term and his actions / candidate involvement in this midterm were a major reason (along with dem support of those same candidates in primaries) why the red wave fizzled out pathetically.

 

Now Trump is bashing DeSantis who is one of if not the most viable candidate on the republican side to win the general in 2024.  If he keeps up bashing electable Republicans, he's going to lose his support and deservedly so.

[roundkot]

On 11/10/2022 at 11:08 AM, Ranger said:

When your opposing party is spending tens of millions in the primary trying to ensure the candidate you support wins, you may be supporting the wrong candidate.  Jeff Foxworthy might word it differently; but I'm pretty certain he would be handing out signs.

 

Realpolitik is real.  A former president was once described as being as liberal as he had to be and as conservative as he could be.  If we hope to have influence, the choice in Illinois primaries shouldn't be who is the most ideologically aligned with us; but who is the most ideologically aligned with us that might actually win.

 

I voted for Trump twice and have the hats, etc.  I think he did more positive for this country than any other president in recent history and shudder to think how much worse off we would have been under clinton and clintons scotus.

 

That said, I also believe that Trump's mouth / ego were among the major reasons why he didn't win a second term and his actions / candidate involvement in this midterm were a major reason (along with dem support of those same candidates in primaries) why the red wave fizzled out pathetically.

 

Now Trump is bashing DeSantis who is one of if not the most viable candidate on the republican side to win the general in 2024.  If he keeps up bashing electable Republicans, he's going to lose his support and deservedly so.

Agreed on all points.   btw I think Trump's major contribution was the US Supreme Court, and the impact will be felt long after he is gone.

[mab22]

On 11/10/2022 at 11:08 AM, Ranger said:

When your opposing party is spending tens of millions in the primary trying to ensure the candidate you support wins, you may be supporting the wrong candidate.  Jeff Foxworthy might word it differently; but I'm pretty certain he would be handing out signs.

 

Realpolitik is real.  A former president was once described as being as liberal as he had to be and as conservative as he could be.  If we hope to have influence, the choice in Illinois primaries shouldn't be who is the most ideologically aligned with us; but who is the most ideologically aligned with us that might actually win.

 

I voted for Trump twice and have the hats, etc.  I think he did more positive for this country than any other president in recent history and shudder to think how much worse off we would have been under clinton and clintons scotus.

 

That said, I also believe that Trump's mouth / ego were among the major reasons why he didn't win a second term and his actions / candidate involvement in this midterm were a major reason (along with dem support of those same candidates in primaries) why the red wave fizzled out pathetically.

 

Now Trump is bashing DeSantis who is one of if not the most viable candidate on the republican side to win the general in 2024.  If he keeps up bashing electable Republicans, he's going to lose his support and deservedly so.

Don’t forget what happened to the numbers as we all slept.

[Smallbore]

On 11/10/2022 at 12:44 PM, mab22 said:

Don’t forget what happened to the numbers as we all slept.

Dem machine picks their canidates not the Dem primary voters. They then encourage the dems to cross over to vote in the Republican primary wanting a weak canidate to run against their preordained canidate. This is how we got Romney, Mccain then thankfully Trump. It backfired for for them with Trump. The election counters will not let that happen again.

[Vern in IL]

On 11/8/2022 at 10:32 PM, Prairie Pucker said:

I'm mad.  Really mad.  Some months ago in an IC discussion of the R candidates for governor in the R primary, I and a few other brave souls advocated for a candidate (Irvin) who, at least, might be electable.  For a candidate who at least had a chance of peeling off some votes from the Chicago machine.  Because Chicago runs the state.  And unless a candidate can pull votes out of Chicago and away from the D incumbent, he has zero chance of winning come Nov. 8.  I thought everyone understood that.  Guess not.  The choice of commenters by far was Bailey because of his ideological purity.  Because he has always been pro-2A.  One person even essentially posted that it was more important to vote for ideological purity than for electability!?!?  WTH?  That makes zero sense.  And Irvin was not deserving of a primary vote because he just wasn't ideologically "pure" enough.  The grasp of realpolitik here is stunning.  And yes, that IS sarcasm.  /s/s/s/s just in case.

 

But, hey!  Congrats all.  Your ideological pure candidate just got a royal arse-whupping from ol' Jelly Belly.  Nice going.  Hope you really enjoy the next 4 years.

Darren represents MY values.  I give not a damn what Chicago thinks.

[Smallbore]

On 11/8/2022 at 10:32 PM, Prairie Pucker said:

I'm mad.  Really mad.  Some months ago in an IC discussion of the R candidates for governor in the R primary, I and a few other brave souls advocated for a candidate (Irvin) who, at least, might be electable.  For a candidate who at least had a chance of peeling off some votes from the Chicago machine.  Because Chicago runs the state.  And unless a candidate can pull votes out of Chicago and away from the D incumbent, he has zero chance of winning come Nov. 8.  I thought everyone understood that.  Guess not.  The choice of commenters by far was Bailey because of his ideological purity.  Because he has always been pro-2A.  One person even essentially posted that it was more important to vote for ideological purity than for electability!?!?  WTH?  That makes zero sense.  And Irvin was not deserving of a primary vote because he just wasn't ideologically "pure" enough.  The grasp of realpolitik here is stunning.  And yes, that IS sarcasm.  /s/s/s/s just in case.

 

But, hey!  Congrats all.  Your ideological pure candidate just got a royal arse-whupping from ol' Jelly Belly.  Nice going.  Hope you really enjoy the next 4 years.

Your thinking prevailed not too far back. That is how we got Thompson, Edgar and Ryan, all tax and spend rinos. All were strong anti2. All helped to win their primary by the dems. Back then as I as a young blind republican helped the enemy win.