Dumak_from_arfcom Posted February 19, 2023 at 08:07 PM Share Posted February 19, 2023 at 08:07 PM On 2/19/2023 at 10:41 AM, Skolnick said: h And the moral of the story is, as long as you don't know what they are doing and get spooked, it works! I was totally spooked by what happened to me. I never went back to any Sports Authority and I never walked back into that bank to ask why my account was closed. On 2/19/2023 at 10:59 AM, DoYouFeelLucky said: Eleven years ago all of this intelligence was gleaned via BI tools from Target's customer database and purchasing transaction data. Now that data is married with digital tracking from various ad networks (both closed and open gardens) to expand the intelligence to determine what you want to, or need to be influenced to, purchase next. If you want to make sure you firearm and ammo purchases are not widely visible, don't take your phone, and pay with cash you withdrew at least 6 months ago. Also borrow your buddies copy of Guns & Ammo to do your research and do not do any research on the internet. You probably shouldn't go through a toll booth either. On second thought have your buddy give you a ride. Yup, got a banking app on that phone? Check the permissions on those banking apps. If they have access to location data they have that data for a reason - they are using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 20, 2023 at 02:10 AM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 02:10 AM On 2/19/2023 at 12:47 AM, MrTriple said: ...except that this'll eventually get reversed, likely once some state AGs file suit, or an enterprising young political figure from a certain swing state turns it into a political issue. This isn't 2000 anymore. No, it is 2023, where totalitarianism is still creeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:10 AM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:10 AM On 2/19/2023 at 1:08 AM, BobPistol said: Totalitarianism never comes in one fell swoop if done without violence. It always comes gradually. That is why this "creeping crud" is deemed "incrementalism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted February 20, 2023 at 01:02 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 01:02 PM Many credit card issuers (and/or banks), have traditionally been chartered in Biden's Delaware. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 20, 2023 at 01:19 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 01:19 PM On 2/20/2023 at 7:02 AM, RECarry said: Many credit card issuers (and/or banks), have traditionally been chartered in Biden's Delaware. Coincidence? A VERY large percentage of all companies are, it's their incorporation rules, legal protection, and taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted February 20, 2023 at 03:31 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 03:31 PM On 2/20/2023 at 7:02 AM, RECarry said: Many credit card issuers (and/or banks), have traditionally been chartered in Biden's Delaware. Coincidence? It started in 1899, long before Biden was born. Delaware General Corporation Law - Wikipedia Why Do Companies Incorporate in Delaware: Everything to Know (upcounsel.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 20, 2023 at 03:53 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 03:53 PM I had my paypal account closed a while back. Never used it for much. Last transaction was to crossbreed holsters. I've reached out to them multiple times requesting explanation for shutdown of my account. Crickets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted February 20, 2023 at 04:37 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 04:37 PM On 2/20/2023 at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey said: I had my paypal account closed a while back. Never used it for much. Last transaction was to crossbreed holsters. I've reached out to them multiple times requesting explanation for shutdown of my account. Crickets.. Did you only use it for gun related purposes? PayPal is the major means we have for paying our dues here. I do not think any of our PayPal accounts or that of IC have been closed due to our relationship to guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolnick Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:03 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:03 PM On 2/20/2023 at 7:19 AM, SiliconSorcerer said: A VERY large percentage of all companies are, it's their incorporation rules, legal protection, and taxes. The ultimate authority on definitions, the Devil's Dictionary, written by Ambrose Bierce in 1911, defines "corporation" as: CORPORATION, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:23 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:23 PM On 2/20/2023 at 11:03 AM, Skolnick said: The ultimate authority on definitions, the Devil's Dictionary, written by Ambrose Bierce in 1911, defines "corporation" as: CORPORATION, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. It does sort of hit on all the major points as to why someone would want to put some of their money in stock vs blowing all of it on vice. Moderation in everything, especially moderation and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:26 PM Share Posted February 20, 2023 at 05:26 PM On 2/20/2023 at 10:37 AM, Quiet Observer said: Did you only use it for gun related purposes? PayPal is the major means we have for paying our dues here. I do not think any of our PayPal accounts or that of IC have been closed due to our relationship to guns. The last 4 months of transactions went to either Roku for boss lady's programs or one payment for a holster. Take it for what its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted February 21, 2023 at 02:58 AM Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 at 02:58 AM On 2/19/2023 at 10:59 AM, DoYouFeelLucky said: Eleven years ago all of this intelligence was gleaned via BI tools from Target's customer database and purchasing transaction data. Now that data is married with digital tracking from various ad networks (both closed and open gardens) to expand the intelligence to determine what you want to, or need to be influenced to, purchase next. If you want to make sure you firearm and ammo purchases are not widely visible, don't take your phone, and pay with cash you withdrew at least 6 months ago. Also borrow your buddies copy of Guns & Ammo to do your research and do not do any research on the internet. You probably shouldn't go through a toll booth either. On second thought have your buddy give you a ride. It was getting pretty scary for a while, I recall an article that talked about some ads playing audio that was undetectable to humans but you could pick it up with electronics, that was so they could track you in different stores. Sure enough there were plenty of times I would be listening to my XM app on my phone playing what ever, go to a site and it would turn off XM app and you didn’t hear anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted February 21, 2023 at 03:52 AM Share Posted February 21, 2023 at 03:52 AM On 2/20/2023 at 8:58 PM, mab22 said: It was getting pretty scary for a while, I recall an article that talked about some ads playing audio that was undetectable to humans but you could pick it up with electronics, that was so they could track you in different stores. Sure enough there were plenty of times I would be listening to my XM app on my phone playing what ever, go to a site and it would turn off XM app and you didn’t hear anything. The digital infrastructure is getting more scary every day. The sad thing is that it can be very helpful to consumers by delivering relevant advertising messages which provide choices. On the other hand it provides power that is way too tempting for governments and companies who aren't so consumer friendly. Right now there are studies that show the younger generations are starting to pull back from being digitally tracked and starting to voice their opposition to big government and big companies tracking them for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 21, 2023 at 12:15 PM Share Posted February 21, 2023 at 12:15 PM On 2/20/2023 at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey said: I had my paypal account closed a while back. Never used it for much. Last transaction was to crossbreed holsters. I've reached out to them multiple times requesting explanation for shutdown of my account. Crickets.. Many years ago when PayPal was owned by eBay it was anti-gun, PayPal doesn't give a rats ... anymore, they just want to make money like everyone else. Made me laugh because I bought a mislabeled antique firearm on eBay once. (and made a small fortune re-selling it, extremely rare) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted February 22, 2023 at 05:47 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 05:47 PM On 2/21/2023 at 6:15 AM, SiliconSorcerer said: Many years ago when PayPal was owned by eBay it was anti-gun, PayPal doesn't give a rats ... anymore, they just want to make money like everyone else. Made me laugh because I bought a mislabeled antique firearm on eBay once. (and made a small fortune re-selling it, extremely rare) PayPal policies still say no firearm or ammunition sales. Are you saying they no longer enforce this policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 22, 2023 at 06:14 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 06:14 PM They stopped caring long ago HOWEVER they just cancelled my paypay for membership fee's in a collectors organization TODAY. I suspect I'll see several more of these since I use paypal for more that just this one. You can no longer do business with PayPal After a review, we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it. You'll not be able to conduct any further business using PayPal. Based on this decision, if applicable, you are no longer eligible for PayPal Seller Protection as per our User Agreement. You'll also be charged a High Volume Dispute fee based on your activity for all existing and future cases you receive. Any bank or credit card information that's linked to your PayPal account cannot be removed nor can it be added to another account. You can still log in and see your account information but you can't send or receive money. If you have funds in your PayPal balance, we'll hold it for up to 180 days. After that period, we'll email you with information on how to access your funds. We regret any inconvenience this may cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 22, 2023 at 07:33 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 07:33 PM On 2/22/2023 at 12:14 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: They stopped caring long ago HOWEVER they just cancelled my paypay for membership fee's in a collectors organization TODAY. I suspect I'll see several more of these since I use paypal for more that just this one. You can no longer do business with PayPal After a review, we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it. You'll not be able to conduct any further business using PayPal. Based on this decision, if applicable, you are no longer eligible for PayPal Seller Protection as per our User Agreement. You'll also be charged a High Volume Dispute fee based on your activity for all existing and future cases you receive. Any bank or credit card information that's linked to your PayPal account cannot be removed nor can it be added to another account. You can still log in and see your account information but you can't send or receive money. If you have funds in your PayPal balance, we'll hold it for up to 180 days. After that period, we'll email you with information on how to access your funds. We regret any inconvenience this may cause. Same one they sent me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:21 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:21 PM wait what... what organizations are you guys a part of that scared paypal enough to shut you guys down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:25 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:25 PM On 2/22/2023 at 2:21 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: wait what... what organizations are you guys a part of that scared paypal enough to shut you guys down? Illinoiscarry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:36 PM Share Posted February 22, 2023 at 08:36 PM that's a little scary because I use paypal, in part, to accept payments for my classes. I hate using paypal, but about 10% of my customers use it. I just went to see if they blocked me and so far so good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted February 23, 2023 at 12:37 AM Share Posted February 23, 2023 at 12:37 AM On 2/22/2023 at 12:14 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: They stopped caring long ago HOWEVER they just cancelled my paypay for membership fee's in a collectors organization TODAY. I suspect I'll see several more of these since I use paypal for more that just this one. You can no longer do business with PayPal After a review, we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it. You'll not be able to conduct any further business using PayPal. Based on this decision, if applicable, you are no longer eligible for PayPal Seller Protection as per our User Agreement. You'll also be charged a High Volume Dispute fee based on your activity for all existing and future cases you receive. Any bank or credit card information that's linked to your PayPal account cannot be removed nor can it be added to another account. You can still log in and see your account information but you can't send or receive money. If you have funds in your PayPal balance, we'll hold it for up to 180 days. After that period, we'll email you with information on how to access your funds. We regret any inconvenience this may cause. Here is another PayPal user who got the same email a year ago. He inadvertently typed the wrong email address for items he had for sale. Server buyers used that email address to send money. That address was not on his PayPal account. That set off security alerts and his account was suspended. He called PayPal and got the matter settled. His type of business is not identified. I doubt that he deals in guns. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 23, 2023 at 05:27 PM Share Posted February 23, 2023 at 05:27 PM On 2/22/2023 at 2:21 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: wait what... what organizations are you guys a part of that scared paypal enough to shut you guys down? Remington Society, Ruger Society, to name a few, the one I have received is for Remington, I guess I should expect more from other. I was looking at paypal alternatives, there's a few, not more costly and actually work better but it all takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 4, 2023 at 03:11 AM Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 at 03:11 AM Bongino created payment system that isn't part of the cabal. https://www.paralleleconomy.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 10, 2023 at 03:33 AM Share Posted March 10, 2023 at 03:33 AM https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-victory-visa-and-mastercard-stop-program-to-track-gun-purchases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted March 10, 2023 at 05:24 AM Share Posted March 10, 2023 at 05:24 AM On 3/9/2023 at 9:33 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-victory-visa-and-mastercard-stop-program-to-track-gun-purchases/ Thanks for posting. Thought I heard this in passing but didn’t see any headlines. Good news but still don’t trust them further than I could throw a “purchase flagging” case of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 11, 2023 at 10:22 PM Share Posted March 11, 2023 at 10:22 PM These are a few of the reasons I prefer to pay by paper check or in cash, not just for guns & ammo, but for 75-90% of my purchases. The one exception is gasoline as I get "points" on that card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted March 14, 2023 at 02:41 PM Share Posted March 14, 2023 at 02:41 PM On 3/11/2023 at 4:22 PM, JTHunter said: These are a few of the reasons I prefer to pay by paper check or in cash, But they are using that little silver strip in the cash to track your gun purchases. Send the cash to me instead for quick money laundering deprocessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 15, 2023 at 01:57 AM Share Posted March 15, 2023 at 01:57 AM On 3/14/2023 at 9:41 AM, Black Flag said: But they are using that little silver strip in the cash to track your gun purchases. Send the cash to me instead for quick money laundering deprocessing. 😁 😆 🤣 "At-fay ance-chay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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