lilguy Posted August 26, 2022 at 08:57 AM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 08:57 AM My FOID card expiration date is 11/1/2022. With no ability to renew on line. My CCL card expires 12//11/23. On my ISP dashboard the two cards are synced together with the CCL expiration date. So I can not renew my FOID on line even though I want to. What happens a year from now when my CCL expiration come do. Will my renew function on the web come active and allow me to renew either or both? Will I have to renew my CCL with the class and all to get a new FOID? Ive have carried an active FOID for 50 years and at this late date the system doesn’t protect us 100% anymore. Very unnerving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted August 26, 2022 at 01:42 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 01:42 PM When you renew your ccl with a class your FOID will auto renew with no effort or cost on your part. One of the only advantages of the new system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2022 at 02:00 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 02:00 PM On 8/26/2022 at 8:42 AM, captdan said: When you renew your ccl with a class your FOID will auto renew with no effort or cost on your part. One of the only advantages of the new system. As the law is written you are right. But lilguy has a good point. If anyone has the answer please chime in. When it comes time to renew his CCL and FOID, will the Renew button be available for both or just his CCL. If it's not available for his FOID then you MUST renew your CCL or be in jeopardy of losing both cards per se. Now would be the time to find out. Not when you expire. And I'm not going to make any assumptions on what will happen considering the past practices of the state and the ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted August 26, 2022 at 03:04 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 03:04 PM On 8/26/2022 at 9:00 AM, THE KING said: As the law is written you are right. But lilguy has a good point. If anyone has the answer please chime in. When it comes time to renew his CCL and FOID, will the Renew button be available for both or just his CCL. If it's not available for his FOID then you MUST renew your CCL or be in jeopardy of losing both cards per se. Now would be the time to find out. Not when you expire. And I'm not going to make any assumptions on what will happen considering the past practices of the state and the ISP. As I understand it King is a follows. Your FOID will renew with CCL but it is still on a 10 years cycle. It will renew for an additional 10 years each time you renew your CCL. If you do not renew your CCL the FOID portion of the card will still be good for an additional 5 years. Six months prior to FOID expiration you will receive notice to renew FOID via e-mail and snail mail at which your FOID renew button will be available. Hopes this makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted August 26, 2022 at 03:14 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 03:14 PM Is your FOID actually renewing, or is it simply auto-extending the expiration to co-incide with your FOID. Does anyone in this situation actually see a FOID expiration well past CCL expiration??? Or do you all see them being the same date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted August 26, 2022 at 04:19 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 04:19 PM Just spoke with ISP regarding this matter. I will TRY to explain what I think I know. All FOIDS expiring prior to CCL expiration were extended to match CCL expiration. All FOIDS expiring after CCL renewal date were left alone and will still auto extend until next CCL renewal date. The FOID and CCL will never be in sync as the CCL is for 5 years and FOID for 10. Every time you renew your CCL the FOID is extended for another 10. However, starting next year each time you purchase a firearm or get a background check run your FOID will extend for another 10 years. These extensions cost nothing and require nothing on your part. If at any point you do not renew your CCL, you will receive a renewal notice 10 years from you last CCL renewal or 10 years after your last firearm purchase. Does this make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted August 26, 2022 at 10:43 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 10:43 PM On 8/26/2022 at 11:19 AM, captdan said: Just spoke with ISP regarding this matter. I will TRY to explain what I think I know. All FOIDS expiring prior to CCL expiration were extended to match CCL expiration. All FOIDS expiring after CCL renewal date were left alone and will still auto extend until next CCL renewal date. The FOID and CCL will never be in sync as the CCL is for 5 years and FOID for 10. Every time you renew your CCL the FOID is extended for another 10. However, starting next year each time you purchase a firearm or get a background check run your FOID will extend for another 10 years. These extensions cost nothing and require nothing on your part. If at any point you do not renew your CCL, you will receive a renewal notice 10 years from you last CCL renewal or 10 years after your last firearm purchase. Does this make sense? Thanks for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 26, 2022 at 10:57 PM Share Posted August 26, 2022 at 10:57 PM On 8/26/2022 at 11:19 AM, captdan said: Just spoke with ISP regarding this matter. I will TRY to explain what I think I know. All FOIDS expiring prior to CCL expiration were extended to match CCL expiration. All FOIDS expiring after CCL renewal date were left alone and will still auto extend until next CCL renewal date. The FOID and CCL will never be in sync as the CCL is for 5 years and FOID for 10. Every time you renew your CCL the FOID is extended for another 10. However, starting next year each time you purchase a firearm or get a background check run your FOID will extend for another 10 years. These extensions cost nothing and require nothing on your part. If at any point you do not renew your CCL, you will receive a renewal notice 10 years from you last CCL renewal or 10 years after your last firearm purchase. Does this make sense? Thanks for this information. I have read and reread what you posted and it makes sense in theory but I will be curious how the actual implementation turns out. Also the automatic updates for your FOID as I understood it was only if you have fingerprints on file. Lastly the question still remains. For those such as lilguy that have their FOID and CCL cards expire on the same date. And that's because this is the beginning of this new program. Can they renew just their FOID card if they decide not to renew their CCL. Will the renew button be active for both or just the CCL. I understand the ISP long range plan but we're not there yet. If both renew buttons aren't active then realistically those people that decide not to renew their CCL could have expired FOID cards. Then what, a visit from ISP to confiscate your firearms. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted August 27, 2022 at 05:21 PM Share Posted August 27, 2022 at 05:21 PM On 8/26/2022 at 5:57 PM, THE KING said: Thanks for this information. I have read and reread what you posted and it makes sense in theory but I will be curious how the actual implementation turns out. Also the automatic updates for your FOID as I understood it was only if you have fingerprints on file. Lastly the question still remains. For those such as lilguy that have their FOID and CCL cards expire on the same date. And that's because this is the beginning of this new program. Can they renew just their FOID card if they decide not to renew their CCL. Will the renew button be active for both or just the CCL. I understand the ISP long range plan but we're not there yet. If both renew buttons aren't active then realistically those people that decide not to renew their CCL could have expired FOID cards. Then what, a visit from ISP to confiscate your firearms. 🤔 I see your question. Will get answer Monday from ISP and advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 28, 2022 at 01:06 AM Share Posted August 28, 2022 at 01:06 AM Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted August 28, 2022 at 10:13 AM Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 at 10:13 AM Thanks Captdan. If I may ask, how do you get through to someone at ISP on such a regular basis? Has any one ever visited an ISP kiosk, what has been anyones experience using one of them? Closest one to me is an hour drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted August 29, 2022 at 03:31 PM Share Posted August 29, 2022 at 03:31 PM The King: I got back with ISP this morning. Both the FOID and CCL renew button will be active if they expire together. Renew FOID only and CCL will go ahead and expire. If you like you may mail the CCL to ISP and they will remove it from the system but not necessary. I also checked on the auto renewal of the FOID as per gun purchase or back ground check and fingerprints on file with ISP is a requirement for auto renewal of the FOID. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted August 29, 2022 at 04:53 PM Share Posted August 29, 2022 at 04:53 PM On 8/29/2022 at 10:31 AM, captdan said: The King: I got back with ISP this morning. Both the FOID and CCL renew button will be active if they expire together. Renew FOID only and CCL will go ahead and expire. If you like you may mail the CCL to ISP and they will remove it from the system but not necessary. I also checked on the auto renewal of the FOID as per gun purchase or back ground check and fingerprints on file with ISP is a requirement for auto renewal of the FOID. Hope this helps. 👍 thanks for following up on this. Good information to know. I have alot of my students asking me about these issues and now I can answer them hopefully intelligently 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted August 30, 2022 at 11:41 AM Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 at 11:41 AM Thanks for the input. Will see what happens a year from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted October 20, 2022 at 11:41 AM Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 at 11:41 AM About to enter the ISP twilight zone. FOID will expire 11/1/22. What has been anyones experience having this happen? When asked for the card for any reason what has been the reaction to the expired card. Anyone been able to do an online purchase of a gun or ammunition with the expired but still active FOID card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted October 24, 2022 at 03:08 PM Share Posted October 24, 2022 at 03:08 PM All ammo purchases and gun purchases have to be run through the ISP portal for verification. an expired card should not be a problem. Out of state purchases may be a different issue as they are not familiar with the IL procedures. I assume you do not have a CCL License. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted October 24, 2022 at 06:35 PM Share Posted October 24, 2022 at 06:35 PM this is still not clear as for renews without prints at least for me.extends, doesn't extend, with prints without, auto renew with CCL renewal. We are going to need another 1/2 just to explain it and a lot won't get it. Also, the calling on every ammo sale is going to make a lot of places just pull it as not worth the time. Oh ya and if something is mucked up along the line you get flagged... great. I'll be glad when this PITA is thrown out, it's ridiculously convoluted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 25, 2022 at 01:14 PM Share Posted October 25, 2022 at 01:14 PM Not sure why it is being promoted that all ammo sales are run through the state police. It should be enough to pull up on your cell phone your state police deck page showing your valid digital card with current real time security feature. The seller can not get a better proof of a valid foid. This proof is current directly from the state police. A validation number is only required for a private gun sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted October 25, 2022 at 08:35 PM Share Posted October 25, 2022 at 08:35 PM "Not sure why it is being promoted that all ammo sales are run through the state police." History.... One scenario: Cell would be so easy to fake, when that happens, and it will, it will be back to cards and cards have no expiration, and could be faked too, so we need to call, or better yet, plug it in on the ISP, so you can compare the person with the picture, to make sure it's them and they have a FOID, or CCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 25, 2022 at 11:23 PM Share Posted October 25, 2022 at 11:23 PM On 10/25/2022 at 3:35 PM, John Q Public said: "Not sure why it is being promoted that all ammo sales are run through the state police." History.... One scenario: Cell would be so easy to fake, when that happens, and it will, it will be back to cards and cards have no expiration, and could be faked too, so we need to call, or better yet, plug it in on the ISP, so you can compare the person with the picture, to make sure it's them and they have a FOID, or CCL. Our picture is on the deck page e-card with current time stamp. You do not trust the state police website, but you then ssy you will trust the state police website. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted October 28, 2022 at 11:47 AM Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 at 11:47 AM I have a FOID and CCL. For the first time in 50 years my FOID will show expired as of 11/1/22. Have not decided if I will renew CCL a year from now. ‘Don’t want hassle trying to renew FOID at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 28, 2022 at 01:18 PM Share Posted October 28, 2022 at 01:18 PM On 10/28/2022 at 6:47 AM, lilguy said: I have a FOID and CCL. For the first time in 50 years my FOID will show expired as of 11/1/22. Have not decided if I will renew CCL a year from now. ‘Don’t want hassle trying to renew FOID at that time. You are worrying about a problem that does not/will not exist. Foid and ccl renews at same time. Be more concerned next year about coming into the ccl renewal class not familiar, not experienced with your gun. We have too many come into a renewal class failing the qualification target or just make the 21 hits.. I do not understand why people do not train the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted October 28, 2022 at 11:22 PM Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 at 11:22 PM Thats the least of my worries at my age. I shoot often at my out door club and will have new eyes buy the end of November. I will be ready if I decide to renew. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted October 29, 2022 at 12:37 PM Share Posted October 29, 2022 at 12:37 PM I looking forward to not renewing Illinois ccl because I finally "MOVED". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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