Euler Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:35 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:35 AM Second Amendment Foundation SAF said: United Parcel Service is terminating the accounts of gun dealers across the country. Any packages currently in the UPS system may be "seized and destroyed." ... Retail giant Brownells told their customers in a Facebook post Friday that they too were terminated by UPS. "Heads up! UPS has made the decision to no longer accept Brownells packages," the post states. "We are working to put an email together to send to customers who have their account defaulted to UPS, or who have open orders with UPS selected as the carrier." Brownells did not specify in their post the reason why UPS terminated their account. UPS' Media Relations personnel did not return calls or emails seeking comment for this story. When I click the link to Brownell's FB post, I get "Content not found." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:55 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:55 AM Seizing and destroying packages that were legally accepted for shipment and contain no illegal items, would or should have a huge liability associated with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:15 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:15 AM Thia is all that came uo when I searched UPS Brownells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:18 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:18 AM Sounds a bit fishy actually, is their actually a "Customer Compliance" department at UPS? Edit, I cannot find that email adress anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:18 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:18 AM Freaking leftists! SCOTUS says you can't infringe on the 2A, so now they'll just make sure you can't actually buy anything! Is this how they're going to ensure we can't buy ammo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:19 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:19 AM FEDEX Baby.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:26 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:26 AM Facebook showed them as online and usually responds in minutes, thought why not? Only got an automated response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:32 AM Author Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:32 AM On 7/1/2022 at 11:18 PM, cls74 said: Sounds a bit fishy actually, is their actually a "Customer Compliance" department at UPS? Edit, I cannot find that email adress anywhere. Brownell's FB page doesn't list a post, so Brownell's deleted it or FB deleted it or SAF was looking at the wrong page. I'm disinclined to think SAF lied. Considering the legal implications for items already in shipment, I could see Brownell's deleting it pending a dispute resolution. I could also imagine a rogue UPS employee (or random prankster) sending out unauthorized notices. The Friday before a holiday weekend would be a good time for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:37 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:37 AM On 7/1/2022 at 10:32 PM, Euler said: Brownell's FB page doesn't list a post, so Brownell's deleted it or FB deleted it or SAF was looking at the wrong page. I'm disinclined to think SAF lied. Considering the legal implications for items already in shipment, I could see Brownell's deleting it pending a dispute resolution. I could also imagine a rogue UPS employee (or random prankster) sending out unauthorized notices. The Friday before a holiday weekend would be a good time for that. I'm not saying there wasn't something sent, just think it was possibly a fake letter, similar to a phishing email. Everything looks legit until you see a typo or click on email address sent from. The image I found was dated June 20th, seems like a long time for a legitimate company policy change to come to light. Seems like that would have hit a lot of media networks as well. Could always email customercompliance@ups.com to see if it bounces. I just did a google search for the contact info and it never came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted July 2, 2022 at 07:11 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 07:11 AM In other words start shipping in plain boxes and don’t let them know what’s in the package. If nothing illegal is in there, what businesses does UPS have looking in packages? I usually use USPS when I’ve shipped anything. Will have to be sure not to use UPS anymore than necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 2, 2022 at 10:57 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 10:57 AM On 7/2/2022 at 2:11 AM, illinois_buckeye said: In other words start shipping in plain boxes and don’t let them know what’s in the package. If nothing illegal is in there, what businesses does UPS have looking in packages? I usually use USPS when I’ve shipped anything. Will have to be sure not to use UPS anymore than necessary. In the past when I shipped parts UPS I would usually answer “motorcycle parts” if asked what was inside. Not always honest but it saved a lot of unnecessary conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:11 PM I am a bit skeptical. The Brownell's site still lists USP as its shipper. Basic Shipping Questions | Top Rated Supplier of Firearm Reloading Equipment, Supplies, and Tools - Colt (brownells.com) The letter shown above has no addressee. It is not whited out like the name on the bottom sentence. There is no signature or contact information, which I would expect to see on something of such legal importance. As noted above, they have not legal authority to confiscate and destroy. The proper course would be to notify proper authorities of suspected contraband, or not accept it to begin with. UPS legal would certainly know this. Major changes of policy are usually made after notifying customers. I would think that an official letter would also cite the actual law or regulation and not just use the common name, "ghost gun". Had the regulation been put into effect when this letter was supposedly sent out? “A year ago this week standing here with many of you, I instructed the attorney general to write a regulation that would rein in the proliferation of ghost guns because I was having trouble getting anything passed in the Congress,” Biden said. The rule goes into effect 120 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-issues-new-federal-rule-aimed-at-privately-made-ghost-guns-without-serial-numbers The article is from April 11, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted July 3, 2022 at 08:53 PM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 08:53 PM Time to let everyone know that UPS has decided to get woke and go _______! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted July 3, 2022 at 09:51 PM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 09:51 PM Before people continue bashing UPS, maybe we should let someone actually confirm this is correct and not some sort of scam? There are enough 2A enemies without making more by dragging companies through the mud who may have just been the victim of some troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 3, 2022 at 10:45 PM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 10:45 PM I would note that in light of the recent SCOTUS EPA ruling, such a rule by the AFT is prohibited as neither Brandon, Judy Garland nor the acting AFT director is authorized to legislate via the promulgation of "rules." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted July 4, 2022 at 08:47 PM Share Posted July 4, 2022 at 08:47 PM 1) First confirm this is real. 2) Vote with your wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 5, 2022 at 12:54 PM Share Posted July 5, 2022 at 12:54 PM Hopefully this will be debunked later today. At least, I would think there would be some follow up to this. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted July 5, 2022 at 07:58 PM Share Posted July 5, 2022 at 07:58 PM On 7/2/2022 at 2:11 AM, illinois_buckeye said: In other words start shipping in plain boxes and don’t let them know what’s in the package. If nothing illegal is in there, what businesses does UPS have looking in packages? By using UPS you grant them the authority to open and inspect any package Quote Right of Inspection UPS reserves the right to open and inspect any package tendered to it for transportation. https://www.ups.com/media/en/terms_service_gnd_pr.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted July 5, 2022 at 08:37 PM Share Posted July 5, 2022 at 08:37 PM Well in that case if that’s really their policy I have the right to vote with my wallet and use any carrier but them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunuser17 Posted July 6, 2022 at 01:19 AM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 01:19 AM FEDEX has the same inspection provision. USPS has various ability to inspect packages ranging from xray to belief that the package may contain plant material to obtaining a search warrant. So I am not sure that there is any shipping company that doesn't reserve the right in some manner to inspect packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted July 6, 2022 at 02:32 AM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 02:32 AM On 7/5/2022 at 8:19 PM, gunuser17 said: FEDEX has the same inspection provision. USPS has various ability to inspect packages ranging from xray to belief that the package may contain plant material to obtaining a search warrant. So I am not sure that there is any shipping company that doesn't reserve the right in some manner to inspect packages. You are probably right, but thus far the others haven’t seemed to take an active stance that they won’t ship from brownells for example. Unless I’m mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 6, 2022 at 03:06 AM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 03:06 AM On 7/5/2022 at 9:32 PM, illinois_buckeye said: You are probably right, but thus far the others haven’t seemed to take an active stance that they won’t ship from brownells for example. Unless I’m mistaken. So far, no one here has confirmed that UPS has stopped service for Brownells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 6, 2022 at 04:57 AM Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 04:57 AM According to web.archive.org (in January 2022, the last capture): Standard Delivery Standard is our economic shipping option. $6.00 on orders less than 1 pound, $7.00 on orders greater than 1 pound (free for Edge members). Expect 5-7 Business days for delivery. Standard service ships with USPS final delivery and must be shipped to a valid Postal Address. Delivery methods may include USPS, SmartPost, SurePost, or UPS Mail Innovations. This option is unavailable for FFL items, Limited Quantity (LQ), aerosol and hazardous products that have carrier restrictions. Ground Delivery We’ll ship anywhere in the lower 48 states for only $11.00 (up to 200 lbs). Expect 3-5 Business days for delivery. Delivery methods may include FedEx, UPS, or USPS. Ground Shipping to Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the US Territories is through USPS Priority. Orders shipping via USPS Priority and over 5lbs will require an additional $10 charge. There are a small number of products that don't qualify for our Ground Delivery Program. As I post this: Standard Delivery Standard is our economic shipping option. $7.00 on orders less than 1 pound, $8.00 on orders greater than 1 pound (free for Edge members). Expect 5-7 Business days for delivery. Standard service ships with USPS final delivery and must be shipped to a valid Postal Address. Delivery methods may include USPS, SmartPost or SurePost. This option is unavailable for FFL items, Limited Quantity (LQ), aerosol and hazardous products that have carrier restrictions. Ground Delivery We’ll ship anywhere in the lower 48 states for only $12.00 (up to 200 lbs). Expect 3-5 Business days for delivery. Delivery methods may include FedEx, or USPS. Ground Shipping to Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico and the US Territories is through USPS Priority. Orders shipping via USPS Priority and over 5lbs will require an additional $10 charge. There are a small number of products that don't qualify for our Ground Delivery Program. UPS is gone. There's no statement I can find that says UPS dropped Brownell's vs Brownell's dropped UPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 6, 2022 at 01:53 PM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 01:53 PM On 7/5/2022 at 11:57 PM, Euler said: Delivery methods may include USPS, SmartPost or SurePost. SurePost is part of UPS. UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 6, 2022 at 04:32 PM Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 04:32 PM On 7/6/2022 at 9:53 AM, Quiet Observer said: SurePost is part of UPS. UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States The person who edited the web page probably didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 6, 2022 at 09:57 PM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 09:57 PM On 7/6/2022 at 8:53 AM, Quiet Observer said: SurePost is part of UPS. UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States Why would someone editing the page add SurePost if it was not part of the original? Here is a little more information on UPS SurePost. "UPS SurePost Rates UPS SurePost® is an economy service for your non-urgent, business to consumer needs of low value. UPS makes the shipment pick-up, and the U.S. Postal Service® (USPS®) makes the final delivery, seven days a week. Sunday delivery is only in select areas with UPS Saturday operations and valid Sunday service ZIP Codes with the USPS. SurePost uses the USPS Undeliverable /Returns options (USPS Ancillary Service Endorsements) that provides shippers instructions on handling undeliverable packages". UPS SurePost Rates | UPS - United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:35 PM Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:35 PM On 7/6/2022 at 5:57 PM, Quiet Observer said: Why would someone editing the page add SurePost if it was not part of the original? ... Look again. It's in the version from January. It wasn't added. It just wasn't deleted like UPS Mail Innovations was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo69 Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:56 PM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:56 PM Seized & Destroyed ? Obama/Biden gathering guns for FAST & FURIOUS PART 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo69 Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:57 PM Share Posted July 6, 2022 at 10:57 PM On 7/4/2022 at 3:47 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: 1) First confirm this is real. 2) Vote with your wallet. If true ship all orders with other carriers FUPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted July 7, 2022 at 04:03 PM Share Posted July 7, 2022 at 04:03 PM What can brown do for Bloomberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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