AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted July 1, 2022 at 11:26 PM Share Posted July 1, 2022 at 11:26 PM the person to person check at the isp website now asks for much more information than it used to. Seller info, buyer info, MAKE, MODEL, SERIAL NUMBER. https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx it's become a gun registry of who owns what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted July 1, 2022 at 11:29 PM Share Posted July 1, 2022 at 11:29 PM Members here gladly gave up that info even before they even started asking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:39 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:39 AM On 7/1/2022 at 6:26 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: the person to person check at the isp website now asks for much more information than it used to. Seller info, buyer info, MAKE, MODEL, SERIAL NUMBER. https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx it's become a gun registry of who owns what. Wow! What if someone makes a typo on the serial numbers? Become a felon overnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:48 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:48 AM On 7/1/2022 at 6:26 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: the person to person check at the isp website now asks for much more information than it used to. Seller info, buyer info, MAKE, MODEL, SERIAL NUMBER. https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx it's become a gun registry of who owns what. Color me silly but if they're asking for that much information then why does the seller have to keep their documentation for 10 years and why does the buyer have to find an FFL to keep theirs for 20 years. This is so stupid . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:45 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:45 AM On 7/1/2022 at 6:26 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: the person to person check at the isp website now asks for much more information than it used to. Seller info, buyer info, MAKE, MODEL, SERIAL NUMBER. https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx it's become a gun registry of who owns what. Are those new fields of information *required* to be filled in, or are they optional? Will the form give you a verification ID without all the extra info? Can we find legislation backing that up? or was this done in "rule making"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:50 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:50 AM On 7/1/2022 at 8:45 PM, Black Flag said: Are those new fields of information *required* to be filled in, or are they optional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:12 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:12 AM Oohhh. I certainly don’t like that. I’ve got a S& W up for sale but now I’m considering taking it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:34 AM When did it become law that you must have an email address to sell a firearm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:05 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 12:05 PM On 7/1/2022 at 8:50 PM, Black Flag said: i wonder what the next screen - buyers info- asks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:21 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:21 PM Surely no one is truly surprised at this. Illinois hasn't met an infringement on gun owners that they don't love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:28 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:28 PM It's not mandatory to check a FOID, only see the FOID. By checking with the ISP, you get immunity from liability from what happens with the firearm after the sale. That being said, this has got to be unconstitutional in light of recent SCOTUS decisions. I think this might just pile on the added infringements attributed to the FOID enough to get a slam dunk case filed to eliminate this garbage infringement once and for all. I'd love to see GOA jump on this, as I'm sure the ISRA won't. And speaking of, wouldn't they know about this by now? The fact that they've apparently said and done nothing is telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:32 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 01:32 PM Model: "Mine." Serial Number: "FUIL0022" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:47 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:47 PM On 7/2/2022 at 8:32 AM, 2A4Cook said: Model: "Mine." Serial Number: "FUIL0022" Let us know if that gets you a visit Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:09 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:09 PM It's gone from being a resource to check the current validity of a Buyer's FOID card to a gun registry. What does the Seller's info and gun info have to do with that purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningspear Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:28 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:28 PM "Red Dawn" in Illinois. No need for 4473's. Just access the State database. Or, go to California and access their database. Also, what will happen to all of this information and the infrastructure when the FOID is declared unconstitutional by the Illinois Supreme Court? Believe it or not, the Illinois Supreme Court, or maybe the 7th Circuit Federal Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:50 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:50 PM On 7/2/2022 at 8:28 AM, 2A4Cook said: It's not mandatory to check a FOID, only see the FOID. That may no longer be the case, if my Saturday Morning brain can remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:52 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 03:52 PM On 7/2/2022 at 8:32 AM, 2A4Cook said: Model: "Mine." Serial Number: "FUIL0022" Perjury is not a smart move… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted July 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 04:00 PM On 7/2/2022 at 10:52 AM, Tip said: Perjury is not a smart move… Someone must have gotten your FOID card and other PII and made a fictitious entry in the system to get you in trouble. Yea, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 2, 2022 at 06:21 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 06:21 PM On 7/2/2022 at 8:28 AM, 2A4Cook said: It's not mandatory to check a FOID, only see the FOID. By checking with the ISP, you get immunity from liability from what happens with the firearm after the sale. (Hopefully the ISP isn’t reading this ) BUT the initial page asks if you want to verify a FOID for a firearms sale or an ammunition sale. If you use the ammunition sale page you just put in the buyers FOID info. iANAL and I am not encouraging anyone to break the law but if the requirement is to check the FOID validity you have done that by running it through the Ammo section. Then again, I am not willing to be a test subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:32 PM Share Posted July 2, 2022 at 11:32 PM It could be ISP's attempt at: 430 ILCS 65/3 said: (a-25) On or before January 1, 2022, the Illinois State Police shall develop an Internet-based system upon which the serial numbers of firearms that have been reported stolen are available for public access for individuals to ensure any firearms are not reported stolen prior to the sale or transfer of a firearm under this Section. The Illinois State Police shall have the Internet-based system completed and available for use by July 1, 2022. The Illinois State Police shall adopt rules not inconsistent with this Section to implement this system. If that's what they're trying to do, it's a horrible implementation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsavoie Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:00 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:00 AM On 7/2/2022 at 6:12 AM, Lou said: Oohhh. I certainly don’t like that. I’ve got a S& W up for sale but now I’m considering taking it down. Guns are for buying, not selling. LOL I'll never do a person to person until that gets thrown out in court. Then I might sell something. But I doubt it. They can sell what they want at the estate sale. All I have is a couple wrist rockets anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:00 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:00 AM I would like to hear Molly’s thoughts on this. I think I prefer the previous FOID check. I’d like to know what happens with the new information they require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:21 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:21 AM On 7/2/2022 at 6:32 PM, Euler said: It could be ISP's attempt at: If that's what they're trying to do, it's a horrible implementation. Talk about a massive overreach! The ISP just legislated a registry, and if there isn't another section, don't even provide access to any stolen gun list. Didn't SCOTUS just clarify this in the EPA case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:30 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 12:30 AM On 7/2/2022 at 7:21 PM, 2A4Cook said: Talk about a massive overreach! The ISP just legislated a registry, and if there isn't another section, don't even provide access to any stolen gun list. Didn't SCOTUS just clarify this in the EPA case? Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted July 3, 2022 at 02:30 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 02:30 AM On 7/2/2022 at 6:32 PM, Euler said: It could be ISP's attempt at: If that's what they're trying to do, it's a horrible implementation. My guess is that they rolled that into that larger program that they recently announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted July 3, 2022 at 02:45 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 02:45 AM Does anyone know when this changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted July 3, 2022 at 04:17 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 04:17 AM Withdrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted July 3, 2022 at 04:51 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 04:51 AM On 7/2/2022 at 6:32 PM, Euler said: It could be ISP's attempt at: If that's what they're trying to do, it's a horrible implementation. Quote 430 ILCS 65/3 said: (a-25) On or before January 1, 2022, the Illinois State Police shall develop an Internet-based system upon which the serial numbers of firearms that have been reported stolen are available for public access for individuals to ensure any firearms are not reported stolen prior to the sale or transfer of a firearm under this Section. The Illinois State Police shall have the Internet-based system completed and available for use by July 1, 2022. The Illinois State Police shall adopt rules not inconsistent with this Section to implement this system. I was going to post that this was related to "stolen" firearms. HOWEVER, If they are recording the sales and running it against the list of stolen firearms it "Would not be inconsistent" with the law / rule making. So, whatcha gonna do about it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted July 3, 2022 at 05:22 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 05:22 AM On 7/2/2022 at 6:32 PM, Euler said: It could be ISP's attempt at: If that's what they're trying to do, it's a horrible implementation. I agree that it sounds that's what they're trying to do. the serial numbers of firearms that have been reported stolen are available for public access for individuals to ensure any firearms are not reported stolen prior to the sale or transfer of a firearm under this Section The changes to the face-to-face page have not provided a way to check the serial number prior to the sale, without creating an instance of a sales record. On 7/2/2022 at 6:32 PM, Euler said: 430 ILCS 65/3 said: (a-25) On or before January 1, 2022, the Illinois State Police shall develop an Internet-based system upon which the serial numbers of firearms that have been reported stolen are available for public access for individuals to ensure any firearms are not reported stolen prior to the sale or transfer of a firearm under this Section. The Illinois State Police shall have the Internet-based system completed and available for use by July 1, 2022. The Illinois State Police shall adopt rules not inconsistent with this Section to implement this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted July 3, 2022 at 05:59 AM Share Posted July 3, 2022 at 05:59 AM I just did a transfer 2 days ago and that was not there. As a matter of fact, the link I used is still working. IL Firearm Applicant Portal (ispfsb.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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