steveTA84 Posted April 17, 2022 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 17, 2022 at 06:37 PM On 4/17/2022 at 9:21 AM, vito said: Accepting reality is necessary if any progress is ever to be made. In a state where a Pritzker and a Duckworth can be elected, electability is critical and I agree that Irvin as a Black man with money behind him is the best bet to beat the fat boy. FWIW, even though I’d rather have Bailey, I agree with your analysis. Reality is too that he’d be a massive improvement over the obese dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 17, 2022 at 06:41 PM Share Posted April 17, 2022 at 06:41 PM I have had the "electability" discussion with myself and others in the past elections concerning the candidates that openly supported 2A. I think Darren can carry this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 18, 2022 at 01:44 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 01:44 PM On 4/17/2022 at 9:21 AM, vito said: Accepting reality is necessary if any progress is ever to be made. In a state where a Pritzker and a Duckworth can be elected, electability is critical and I agree that Irvin as a Black man with money behind him is the best bet to beat the fat boy. Couldn't have said it better, sadly it's not who's the best it's who can beat JB, fat is in fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 18, 2022 at 04:01 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 04:01 PM I don't pretend to know who would have a chance of beating JB. If the commercials airing (on cable, anyway) in the metro-east are any indication, I know who the Democrats are worried about. And that's Irvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted April 18, 2022 at 04:17 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 04:17 PM To choose not to vote for a candidate because you don’t think they are “electable” is a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won’t be “electable” because you didn’t vote for them. Maybe the biggest thing Trump should have taught us in 2016 is that there really are no “unelectable” candidates, something perhaps Biden reinforced in 2020. Select candidates based upon who most accurately represents your positions and beliefs and then VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted April 18, 2022 at 05:19 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 05:19 PM On 4/18/2022 at 11:17 AM, Tip said: To choose not to vote for a candidate because you don’t think they are “electable” is a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won’t be “electable” because you didn’t vote for them. Maybe the biggest thing Trump should have taught us in 2016 is that there really are no “unelectable” candidates, something perhaps Biden reinforced in 2020. Select candidates based upon who most accurately represents your positions and beliefs and then VOTE FOR THAT CANDIDATE! Trump didn't win in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 18, 2022 at 06:16 PM Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 06:16 PM Supporting the person who best matches your values is OK in a primary. I have to hope that everyone here will support whoever ends up with the Republican nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandInstructor Posted April 18, 2022 at 06:25 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 06:25 PM I have heard each of the candidates speak in person (Except Irvin). So far, Bailey seems to be the biggest supporter of the 2A community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted April 18, 2022 at 08:49 PM Share Posted April 18, 2022 at 08:49 PM Voting for whom best represents my values does absolutely no good if they're not electable in Illinois. Sad, but political reality. It makes me sick after each election to see the IL county map that shows all but 2 or 3 counties voting red, yet blue wins at the state and federal level. I decided long ago that I would be a single-issue voter and that issue would be the 2A. I've been voting my values for decades and it's gotten me/us/the state nowhere. Despite electing local local pols who support the 2A, Chicago swamps out everything. Plus now I'm stuck with a D in the US House and 2 D's in the US Senate and zero representation of my views at the federal level. I'd like to see an R candidate for gov who can go after JB in a knife fight and at least inflict serious damage, if not outright win. My new motto is: Whatever It Takes. I think Irvin has the best chance of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted April 19, 2022 at 12:10 AM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 12:10 AM Trump (Wut?? I can do a write in...right?? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepin Bowhunter Posted April 19, 2022 at 03:30 AM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 03:30 AM I'll also be voting for Bailey You can be sure the Fat man in the little coat will be opening his wallet to buy the election again in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 19, 2022 at 04:05 AM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 04:05 AM Don’t know if you’ve seen them but I keep seeing an ad attacking Irvin and I noticed at the end they say it’s paid for by association for democratic governors. Thinking the current occupant doesn’t like the optics of openly attacking someone who is African American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruehead Posted April 19, 2022 at 11:17 AM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 11:17 AM Since I'm from aurora and went to school with Irvin I will more than likely give him my vote but I also like Sullivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted April 19, 2022 at 12:49 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 12:49 PM First, with Madigan gone, the Springfield Dems may not be quite as hard to deal with, as he was the main cause of Rauner's inability to get anything done. Even those who considered Rauner a RINO probably would concede they'd rather have him in office than our current incumbent. Having said that, I understand the impulse to vote in the primary for someone as close as possible to one's values and views. But as a practical matter, any Republican would be better than JB, and getting the person most likely to beat him on the ticket is my priority. And realistically, name recognition and money matter. Griffin's money has already produced high quality TV ads to introduce Irvin, and I'm pretty sure this is just the opening salvo. FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 19, 2022 at 01:55 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 01:55 PM On 4/18/2022 at 1:25 PM, OrlandInstructor said: I have heard each of the candidates speak in person (Except Irvin). So far, Bailey seems to be the biggest supporter of the 2A community. No one has heard Irvin speak. Even when he has made a media appearance, he's been parroting his handlers and looking to them for cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted April 19, 2022 at 01:58 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 01:58 PM On 4/18/2022 at 11:01 AM, springfield shooter said: I don't pretend to know who would have a chance of beating JB. If the commercials airing (on cable, anyway) in the metro-east are any indication, I know who the Democrats are worried about. And that's Irvin. On 4/18/2022 at 11:05 PM, illinois_buckeye said: Don’t know if you’ve seen them but I keep seeing an ad attacking Irvin and I noticed at the end they say it’s paid for by association for democratic governors. Thinking the current occupant doesn’t like the optics of openly attacking someone who is African American. Could this simply be the most incredible false-flag operation going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 19, 2022 at 03:10 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 03:10 PM On 4/19/2022 at 8:55 AM, mikew said: No one has heard Irvin speak. Even when he has made a media appearance, he's been parroting his handlers and looking to them for cues. We have a sitting President that got his position the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted April 19, 2022 at 08:30 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 08:30 PM Not sure how I'll vote yet, but I know one thing. Jaba the Hut's latest TV ads make me sick every single morning. Suddenly he cares about the little guys here in Illinois. Suddenly he cares about fuel taxes being frozen (temporarily) and suddenly he cares about lowering property taxes.. What an ENORMOUS, lying piece of dung he is. That smirk on his face in his latest ad tells you all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 19, 2022 at 08:47 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 08:47 PM On 4/19/2022 at 3:30 PM, Bird76Mojo said: Not sure how I'll vote yet, but I know one thing. Jaba the Hut's latest TV ads make me sick every single morning. Suddenly he cares about the little guys here in Illinois. Suddenly he cares about fuel taxes being frozen (temporarily) and suddenly he cares about lowering property taxes.. What an ENORMOUS, lying piece of dung he is. That smirk on his face in his latest ad tells you all you need to know. Because of his commercials I’ve had to contact my cable company to get a new remote I wore out the mute button. 🤯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted April 19, 2022 at 10:25 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 10:25 PM On 4/18/2022 at 12:19 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: Trump didn't win in Illinois. No…but if you want to win, you probably shouldn’t p$ss off his voters. Unless there’s some other”hidden”voter base out there I’m not aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 19, 2022 at 10:28 PM Share Posted April 19, 2022 at 10:28 PM On 4/19/2022 at 3:47 PM, Lou said: Because of his commercials I’ve had to contact my cable company to get a new remote I wore out the mute button. 🤯 That's cheaper than a new TV. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWrangler Posted April 20, 2022 at 02:26 AM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 02:26 AM Irvin, because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" - and JaBBa and the Democrat Governors are spending a LOT to see that Irvin is not the Republican candidate. He may not be everyone's ideal but with financial backing he's enjoying, he may have a chance. JaBBa has to go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 20, 2022 at 12:53 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 12:53 PM New boss is always the same as the old boss, or so the song goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 20, 2022 at 03:46 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 03:46 PM On 4/20/2022 at 7:53 AM, Jeffrey said: New boss is always the same as the old boss, or so the song goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted April 20, 2022 at 06:53 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 06:53 PM Illinois gets fooled every time...and they keep asking for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckInIllinois Posted April 20, 2022 at 09:16 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 09:16 PM I live and work in Aurora and come into daily contact with a lot of different people. When the subject of politics comes up not a single person knew or thought Irvin was a (R). That says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted April 20, 2022 at 09:18 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 09:18 PM The situation is not precisely comparable, but IIRC, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted April 20, 2022 at 10:09 PM Share Posted April 20, 2022 at 10:09 PM Bailey for me, no questions. If we never stand with someone who has our values they sure don't stand a chance. I understand that sometimes it is necessary but I don't like just voting against a candidate. I like to vote for a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 21, 2022 at 04:12 AM Share Posted April 21, 2022 at 04:12 AM On 4/20/2022 at 4:18 PM, richp said: The situation is not precisely comparable, but IIRC, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican. Doesn’t mean I’ll ever consider voting for anyone in the Marxist, Socialist party the goes by the guise of “Democrat”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 21, 2022 at 09:09 PM Share Posted April 21, 2022 at 09:09 PM I got an Irvin campaign nastygram in the mail today, aimed at both Bailey and Sullivan. And taking a shot at the Democrats for sticking their noses in the Republican primary to boot. I don't ever recall this much interest in a Republican primary for governor. Hopefully it will lead to the best candidate (whichever one that is) winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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