mauserme Posted March 17, 2022 at 11:29 AM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 11:29 AM Ummmm... Just to clarify, this is not correct: https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/a-dip-in-gun-sales-at-start-of-year-is-seasonal-gun-rights-advocates-say/article_314a0926-a49f-11ec-aa01-df1c8cbf2feb.html "The new FOID cards no longer have expiration dates, he said. Gun dealers can use the Illinois State Police website to see if a FOID card is in effect. They can sell you a gun or ammunition without the waiting periods and hassle that they used to have to go through, Pearson said." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:20 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:20 PM Well it has to be true, it is on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:35 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:35 PM Interesting how most of his quotes are actually in quotation marks, but that last quote wasn't. Was that an actual thing he said, or was that a quote mis-assembled from a couple of other things he said, perhaps in regards to waiting for a new FOID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:57 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 12:57 PM On 3/17/2022 at 6:29 AM, mauserme said: Ummmm... Just to clarify, this is not correct: https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/a-dip-in-gun-sales-at-start-of-year-is-seasonal-gun-rights-advocates-say/article_314a0926-a49f-11ec-aa01-df1c8cbf2feb.html "The new FOID cards no longer have expiration dates, he said. Gun dealers can use the Illinois State Police website to see if a FOID card is in effect. They can sell you a gun or ammunition without the waiting periods and hassle that they used to have to go through, Pearson said." That will be the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted March 17, 2022 at 01:54 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 01:54 PM On 3/17/2022 at 7:20 AM, bmyers said: Well it has to be true, it is on the internet. LOL, +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 17, 2022 at 02:56 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 02:56 PM I still remember as a kid living in a freedom state for awhile and people being able to walk into a general store, picking out a gun, paying for it and walking out the door with it in hand. This crap is for the birds. And Lefties and Fudds seem to think that the 2A is for hunting said birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icm2014 Posted March 17, 2022 at 03:48 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 03:48 PM If you are a Florida Resident and have a Florida CCW when you pass the Fed Check, you walk out with the firearm. Should be national standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:01 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:01 PM If the entire idea behind the waiting period is for the loons to have the day to cool off, why do those who have a closet full already still need this? I know, Illinois... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:09 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:09 PM On 3/17/2022 at 11:01 AM, Jeffrey said: If the entire idea behind the waiting period is for the loons to have the day to cool off, why do those who have a closet full already still need this? I know, Illinois... I just don't think they have thought about the environmental impact of all those extra drives to the FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:09 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:09 PM On 3/17/2022 at 11:01 AM, Jeffrey said: If the entire idea behind the waiting period is for the loons to have the day to cool off, why do those who have a closet full already still need this? I know, Illinois... Someone should have pointed that out during the oral arguments from that case for the FOID being unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipp Jones Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:39 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:39 PM On 3/17/2022 at 11:09 AM, davel501 said: I just don't think they have thought about the environmental impact of all those extra drives to the FFL. By default you have to spend extra money because of the waiting. Which essentially is a de facto tax due to gas expenses insurance fees and other related to your travel if you are going to and from by a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:53 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 04:53 PM Also ... Quote “What has changed this year is that if you buy a firearm from a firearm dealer, your FOID card is automatically renewed for 10 years, at no charge,” Pearson said. That's not true until next year, and you have to have fingerprints on file, supposedly just for the FOID. CCL fingerprints don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted March 17, 2022 at 05:59 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 05:59 PM On 3/17/2022 at 11:39 AM, Kipp Jones said: By default you have to spend extra money because of the waiting. Which essentially is a de facto tax due to gas expenses insurance fees and other related to your travel if you are going to and from by a car. And the FFL dealer has to see you twice for the same transaction. So in essence, his labor cost is doubled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 17, 2022 at 08:04 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 08:04 PM They corrected the story: Quote The new FOID cards no longer have expiration dates, he said. Gun dealers can use the Illinois State Police website to see if a FOID card is in effect. They can also confirm immediately if they can sell you a gun or ammunition, but a waiting period still applies to transfer the gun from retailer to buyer, Pearson said. Corrections and Clarifications This story has been edited since initial publication to clarify that a waiting period still applies before a retailer can transfer a purchased gun to a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 17, 2022 at 08:27 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 08:27 PM On 3/17/2022 at 3:04 PM, Lou said: They corrected the story: Yeah, so what's been "improved"* when there's now an extra phone call involved for the FFL in a firearm purchase, and a NEW phone call for retailers of ammo??? *Improved for the purpose of discouraging the sale of firearms and ammunition in the State of Illinois. Komrad Bolsheviks, REJOICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 17, 2022 at 09:23 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 09:23 PM The thing I heard yesterday during the arguments in Brown is if there are ever universal background checks at the federal level the FOID ceases to be of any value. Even now, the current transfer system could easily be updated to do a federal check based on the same info we put into a 4473 and you could still save that approval for a decade. The other thing that struck me about those arguments was they faulted her for not applying for a FOID as though they were saying ignorance of the law is no excuse...but yet here is the state of Illinois claiming ignorance of the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 17, 2022 at 09:26 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 09:26 PM I could be wrong, but when I was at the range last time, the guy there, who's an FFL as well, told me that if you order online, basically if it takes more than 3 days for the firearm to get from the site to your FFL, you've fulfilled the waiting period. He said he used to not think that way, but he'd talked to someone and said he'd even put a call into the ATF and they said the same. So who knows. As far as ammunition, if they try to make me have a waiting period, I'm just across the river and will buy in Missouri. As far as the FOID, I don't see how they really are value anyway, because if you buy a gun, at least a new one, you still are going through a federal background check. So the state background check seems redundant imo. Now if they try at the federal level to make a background check happen for private sales, I get it, but seems at that point you are one step away from a gun registry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 17, 2022 at 10:32 PM Share Posted March 17, 2022 at 10:32 PM On 3/17/2022 at 4:26 PM, illinois_buckeye said: I could be wrong, but when I was at the range last time, the guy there, who's an FFL as well, told me that if you order online, basically if it takes more than 3 days for the firearm to get from the site to your FFL, you've fulfilled the waiting period. He said he used to not think that way, but he'd talked to someone and said he'd even put a call into the ATF and they said the same. So who knows. As far as ammunition, if they try to make me have a waiting period, I'm just across the river and will buy in Missouri. That is a correct statement. It doesn't mean that any particular FFL actually understands that, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 18, 2022 at 12:40 AM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 12:40 AM I get it. The guy I talked to gave the impression that he didn’t realize that before that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:50 PM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:50 PM On 3/17/2022 at 12:59 PM, spanishjames said: And the FFL dealer has to see you twice for the same transaction. So in essence, his labor cost is doubled. BINGO !!! This is one of the reasons why I stopped doing transfers, my transfer fee when I stopped was $30. A customer comes to fill out paperwork and gets delayed, 1st appt, then comes back once Approved for pick-up, 2nd appt. Now the biggest argument, even amongst dealers is, "it only takes 15 minutes." To be honest, yes it does, but I rarely have a customer who comes in for pick-up and takes 15 minutes. We bull$h!t, part of the business... If I, or any dealer, chased every customer out after the recertification signature was signed, you might not want to come back. Now the exceptions, I like to get in and get out, only happens about 10% of the time. I can run the bcg check b4 the firearm arrives, not only frowned upon, but the ATF made it clear yesterday that 'best practice' would be to wait for the firearm to arrive. If anything is wrong in Sec. A, then we don't accurately have enough info to run the bcg check. So, 70% of the time for me, every transaction takes 2 visits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:54 PM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:54 PM Whatever it takes for them to make it as hard as friggen possible for us.. My FFL is roughly an hour drive. I pass a few others along the way. He's always made the trip worth it. If I were to do the drive today, it would cost as much as a case of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:59 PM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 03:59 PM On 3/17/2022 at 4:26 PM, illinois_buckeye said: I could be wrong, but when I was at the range last time, the guy there, who's an FFL as well, told me that if you order online, basically if it takes more than 3 days for the firearm to get from the site to your FFL, you've fulfilled the waiting period. He said he used to not think that way, but he'd talked to someone and said he'd even put a call into the ATF and they said the same. So who knows. As far as ammunition, if they try to make me have a waiting period, I'm just across the river and will buy in Missouri. As far as the FOID, I don't see how they really are value anyway, because if you buy a gun, at least a new one, you still are going through a federal background check. So the state background check seems redundant imo. Now if they try at the federal level to make a background check happen for private sales, I get it, but seems at that point you are one step away from a gun registry. From yesterday's ATF/ISP Meeting: 1. No need to run a FOID Check for an ammunition purchase if the customer bought a firearm and received an Approval through FTIP, as long as its within the 30 days that the bcg check is valid. 2. According to ISP, no neighboring state SHOULD sell you any ammunition for any handgun, only long guns. And vice versa for IL Dealers selling to out of state sellers. ISP was made aware of PCC firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted March 18, 2022 at 05:05 PM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 05:05 PM They just wanna "regulate" what few FFLs are left after they pulled their state licensing stunt. Only the big shops will remain, then they'll find a way to go after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted March 18, 2022 at 06:22 PM Share Posted March 18, 2022 at 06:22 PM On 3/18/2022 at 12:05 PM, 2A4Cook said: They just wanna "regulate" what few FFLs are left after they pulled their state licensing stunt. Only the big shops will remain, then they'll find a way to go after them. I will say you are correct but other Big Box FFL's are on the same page. Rock River, Springfield, and Cabela's made a play on the 1st Gun Licensing Bill that was introduced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 19, 2022 at 12:09 AM Share Posted March 19, 2022 at 12:09 AM On the Foid for ammo purchases, I realized you are correct. I haven’t had to buy ammo for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnwfan3 Posted March 19, 2022 at 02:15 AM Share Posted March 19, 2022 at 02:15 AM On 3/18/2022 at 10:59 AM, ealcala31 said: From yesterday's ATF/ISP Meeting: 1. No need to run a FOID Check for an ammunition purchase if the customer bought a firearm and received an Approval through FTIP, as long as its within the 30 days that the bcg check is valid. 2. According to ISP, no neighboring state SHOULD sell you any ammunition for any handgun, only long guns. And vice versa for IL Dealers selling to out of state sellers. ISP was made aware of PCC firearms. Is that only neighboring states (like WI, IN, IA, etc) or any state that should not sell you handgun ammo? I have been trying to find out if we can still order ammo online with the new foid cards without the exp date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted March 19, 2022 at 11:26 PM Share Posted March 19, 2022 at 11:26 PM IL FFL Dealers are not allowed to sell handgun ammunition to any person who does not reside in the state or have a FOID Card on a face to face transaction. IL Dealers are allowed to ship ammunition out of state as long as we follow all applicable laws. ISP is well aware of PCCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted March 20, 2022 at 08:16 AM Share Posted March 20, 2022 at 08:16 AM On 3/19/2022 at 7:26 PM, ealcala31 said: IL FFL Dealers are not allowed to sell handgun ammunition to any person who does not reside in the state or have a FOID Card on a face to face transaction. IL Dealers are allowed to ship ammunition out of state as long as we follow all applicable laws. ISP is well aware of PCCs. Really! I did not know that. Since my move to Indiana I don't get into Illinois stores or gun shops much, I would rather give my money to local businesses. So if I would stop at somewhere in Illinois and happen to see a deal on some ammo I would not be able to buy? Did this change recently? I seem to remember back when I lived in Illinois if someone showed an out of state drivers license they could buy ammo. Of course being a reloader I had not tried to buy ammo in Illinois for several years before my move two years ago. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted March 20, 2022 at 11:08 AM Share Posted March 20, 2022 at 11:08 AM Interesting, I bought ammo in person in MO to shot at my uncle's place there and went to show my FOID and they laughed. They said this is a free State and put that commie card away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 20, 2022 at 04:04 PM Share Posted March 20, 2022 at 04:04 PM On 3/19/2022 at 6:26 PM, ealcala31 said: IL FFL Dealers are not allowed to sell handgun ammunition to any person who does not reside in the state or have a FOID Card on a face to face transaction. IL Dealers are allowed to ship ammunition out of state as long as we follow all applicable laws. ISP is well aware of PCCs. They are just making this up as they go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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