mauserme Posted February 25, 2022 at 12:17 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 12:17 PM https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/24/hawkins-ukraine-handing-out-guns-not-gun-control/ Hawkins: Ukraine is Handing Out Guns, Not Gun Control by AWR HAWKINS 24 Feb 2022 With a Russian invasion well underway it is important to note that the Ukrainian government is handing out guns rather than gun control. The tacit meaning behind this action is simple: An armed citizenry can at least fight back and may, in some cases, even repel a land-based invader. On Wednesday Breitbart News noted that the Ukrainian Parliament took up a bill allowing citizens to carry guns and passed it on its first reading. ... Zelenky’s readiness to arm those who will stand and fight against Russia is a reminder that self-defense is key to gun ownership. To put it another way, gun ownership is key to self-preservation. And humanity does not just possess a need for self-preservation but a right to preserve one’s life as well. This is why America’s Founding Fathers ensured that ‘the right to keep and bear arms” was/is protected by the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment simultaneously protects the right to defend one’s life and the right to possess the tools necessary to defend it. ... The need for self-defense and the defense of liberty is bearing down on Ukrainians and Zelensky is handing out guns rather than gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted February 25, 2022 at 01:56 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 01:56 PM I wonder if they have enough for everyone or if they say "You follow him. When he falls you use his." I like our system better, run what you brung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 25, 2022 at 02:31 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 02:31 PM Sometimes governments learn the hard way that people DO have a right to self-defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted February 25, 2022 at 02:43 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 02:43 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted February 25, 2022 at 03:12 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 03:12 PM Private Purple Hoodie is the new squad leader. Everyone else. On your knuckles.😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted February 26, 2022 at 11:52 AM Share Posted February 26, 2022 at 11:52 AM On 2/25/2022 at 7:56 AM, davel501 said: I wonder if they have enough for everyone or if they say "You follow him. When he falls you use his." I like our system better, run what you brung. A fully automatic ak 47 is about 3 seconds on a mag dump. Maybe the rifle and a couple full mags are free, with a coupon to the nearest ammo retailer while they are still open. I'll take bets on what comes first- the United States government passing out free guns or forcibly collecting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:21 PM Share Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:21 PM On 2/26/2022 at 5:52 AM, GTX63 said: I'll take bets on what comes first- the United States government passing out free guns or forcibly collecting them. Wouldn’t that all depend upon whether the invasion/overthrow comes from without or within??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted February 26, 2022 at 04:49 PM Share Posted February 26, 2022 at 04:49 PM On 2/26/2022 at 5:52 AM, GTX63 said: A fully automatic ak 47 is about 3 seconds on a mag dump. Maybe the rifle and a couple full mags are free, with a coupon to the nearest ammo retailer while they are still open. I'll take bets on what comes first- the United States government passing out free guns or forcibly collecting them. There was a rumor that the US wanted to ship in a large amount of guns and ammo but the Taliban would not give them up. 🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted February 28, 2022 at 03:05 PM Share Posted February 28, 2022 at 03:05 PM Is this all part of the "more flexibility in the next term" Obummer told Putin? I'm wondering for Ukraine's future in the rare event they come out the victors. Will they adopt a more friendly 2A similar to us than they had previous to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 2, 2022 at 03:57 AM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 03:57 AM On 2/28/2022 at 9:05 AM, Jeffrey said: Is this all part of the "more flexibility in the next term" Obummer told Putin? I'm wondering for Ukraine's future in the rare event they come out the victors. Will they adopt a more friendly 2A similar to us than they had previous to this? In order to "dissuade" any future aggression by Russia, they will need to be open to letting their citizenry keep those firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted March 2, 2022 at 12:23 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 12:23 PM I seriously doubt there were records kept about who got what. Those guns are going to part of the fabric of their society for a long time, and are going to be a great demonstration of the value of an armed citizenry. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 2, 2022 at 01:25 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 01:25 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted March 2, 2022 at 02:08 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 02:08 PM Well -- that about sums the cost of freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 2, 2022 at 02:31 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 02:31 PM It looks like they already had fairly liberal gun laws there. Their legislature just updated the laws to allow people to carry outside of their house. Previously you could only have guns at home. They already had AKs and ARs in their gun stores but I'm not sure if theirs had the fun switch or if they were all semi-auto like ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 2, 2022 at 07:44 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 07:44 PM He was right. Select fire is not for defending your home. It is for defending your homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 2, 2022 at 08:21 PM Share Posted March 2, 2022 at 08:21 PM Umm red heads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 4, 2022 at 03:30 AM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 03:30 AM On 3/2/2022 at 2:21 PM, Bubbacs said: Umm red heads! A "bottle babe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted March 4, 2022 at 11:14 AM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 11:14 AM There’s an American expat in Kiev saying some of the folks that were issued brand new, out of the box Kalishnikovs, aren’t exactly using them for national defense.🤔😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted March 4, 2022 at 02:54 PM Share Posted March 4, 2022 at 02:54 PM On 3/4/2022 at 5:14 AM, fxdpntc said: There’s an American expat in Kiev saying some of the folks that were issued brand new, out of the box Kalishnikovs, aren’t exactly using them for national defense.🤔😉 So Ukraine has a Chicago also 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 26, 2022 at 03:40 AM Share Posted March 26, 2022 at 03:40 AM On 3/4/2022 at 8:54 AM, THE KING said: So Ukraine has a Chicago also 😳 On 3/4/2022 at 5:14 AM, fxdpntc said: There’s an American expat in Kiev saying some of the folks that were issued brand new, out of the box Kalishnikovs, aren’t exactly using them for national defense.🤔😉 Do we have a link to any actual articles or is this just hearsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:16 PM Share Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:16 PM On 3/25/2022 at 10:40 PM, mab22 said: Do we have a link to any actual articles or is this just hearsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:33 PM Share Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:33 PM I'm guessing that all quieted down once they had some Russians to shoot at. I doubt it was all criminals shooting. If Biden handed me a machine gun you know I'd go find a place to go do a couple of mag dumps that first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:55 PM Share Posted March 26, 2022 at 02:55 PM On 3/26/2022 at 9:33 AM, davel501 said: If Biden handed me a machine gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 26, 2022 at 03:48 PM Share Posted March 26, 2022 at 03:48 PM On 3/26/2022 at 9:55 AM, fxdpntc said: LOL... Too old and too many degrees. They'd make me an officer and not let me touch anything. Well, except one of those sig pistols you have to dive on if you drop to save the lives of those around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwatcher Posted April 25, 2022 at 06:41 PM Share Posted April 25, 2022 at 06:41 PM On 3/26/2022 at 9:16 AM, fxdpntc said: Maybe what he said is the truth of criminal element fighting amongst themselves. However when he brought up rapes my BS flag was raised. I can see him knowing about shootouts and murders in the streets but the only way he'd hear about rapes would be from unsubstantiated gossip or in the news. Since he didn't didn't mention providing news articles for the rapes I'm going to go with unsubstantiated gossip. Either way he comes across as a rabid anti private gun ownership person. His threshold on calling a regime evil and/or insane is laughably low. Also whens the last time you've read about murder or rapes in Ukraine caused by common criminals? NEVER! The western MSM isn't hiding anything when they would never report on such events in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 29, 2022 at 02:06 AM Share Posted April 29, 2022 at 02:06 AM On 4/25/2022 at 1:41 PM, starwatcher said: Maybe what he said is the truth of criminal element fighting amongst themselves. However when he brought up rapes my BS flag was raised. I can see him knowing about shootouts and murders in the streets but the only way he'd hear about rapes would be from unsubstantiated gossip or in the news. Since he didn't didn't mention providing news articles for the rapes I'm going to go with unsubstantiated gossip. Either way he comes across as a rabid anti private gun ownership person. His threshold on calling a regime evil and/or insane is laughably low. Also whens the last time you've read about murder or rapes in Ukraine caused by common criminals? NEVER! The western MSM isn't hiding anything when they would never report on such events in the first place. He actually looks a bit like Michael Moore, only skinnier, maybe it’s a not as fat cousin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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