Upholder Posted January 23, 2022 at 12:23 AM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 12:23 AM On 1/21/2022 at 12:26 PM, Lou said: Nobody in their right mind actually believes this will have any effect on reducing gang violence. The ACTUAL purpose is so the the politicians can claim they “did something.” It's worse than that; it's so that they can use it to make it more painful to be a lawful gun owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted January 23, 2022 at 01:21 AM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 01:21 AM hogs slurping at the money trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted January 23, 2022 at 02:01 AM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 02:01 AM Ok, you found a shell with my name on it. Now prove I pulled the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted January 23, 2022 at 03:18 AM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 03:18 AM On 1/22/2022 at 8:01 PM, spanishjames said: Ok, you found a shell with my name on it. Now prove I pulled the trigger. Kinda like you got a pic of my license plate now prove I was driving….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 23, 2022 at 03:42 AM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 03:42 AM On 1/22/2022 at 9:18 PM, Tip said: Kinda like you got a pic of my license plate now prove I was driving….. This might be the best point of all on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:11 PM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:11 PM On 1/22/2022 at 9:42 PM, davel501 said: This might be the best point of all on this topic. Anything that takes a picture of your plate gets your picture of you as well. You need to keep a Mickey Mouse mask. As for shell's easily picked up at a range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:18 PM Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:18 PM Guys, it isn't worth their time to track down the driver for a rolling stop on red. They're happy to have someone pay the fine even if it isn't the driver. That won't be the case with shell casings. It will be up to the firearm owner to prove it wasn't they they left them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:33 PM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 05:33 PM On 1/21/2022 at 12:12 PM, mauserme said: Or if you reload brass picked up at the range. Brass stamped with multiple identifiers can't be very useful. My understanding was that the firing pin has the stamp, so the primers would have the stamp on them. Which brigs up the next question, how long will a stamp so small last on a piece of metal hitting other metal? For hammers that swing downward it leaves more of a streak than an straight impact, making this pretty much useless. And don’t be so happy with them imposing this on the police, they want it applied to YOU eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted January 23, 2022 at 08:27 PM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 08:27 PM On 1/23/2022 at 12:33 PM, mab22 said: My understanding was that the firing pin has the stamp, so the primers would have the stamp on them. ... There are "proprietary" technologies for the stamping, only one of which is a special firing pin. Basically that means any industry that implements the technology has to pay a license fee to the patent trolls. These technologies exist only on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 23, 2022 at 10:16 PM Share Posted January 23, 2022 at 10:16 PM On 1/23/2022 at 11:18 AM, mauserme said: Guys, it isn't worth their time to track down the driver for a rolling stop on red. They're happy to have someone pay the fine even if it isn't the driver. That won't be the case with shell casings. It will be up to the firearm owner to prove it wasn't they they left them there. Burden of proof is still on the state to show who fired it. Now it would make it easier for them to subpoena Verizon to see if your phone was in the area but even that only helps if you didn't have a reason to be there. As funny as it sounds, Kim Foxx is probably our greatest ally on this. She won't approve charges based on this alone based on her history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted January 24, 2022 at 05:44 AM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 05:44 AM Cant remember the goof that owns the companynthat does this but he was coming on CWB page on FB touting this technology and wetting his diaper over the crime happening. Then I called him out and let everyone know this clown owned the company and was ginning up support and was in it for the money and no one uses his stupid technology. Havent seen him come around in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 24, 2022 at 11:38 AM Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 11:38 AM On 1/23/2022 at 11:44 PM, Colt guy said: Cant remember the goof that owns the companynthat does this but he was coming on CWB page on FB touting this technology and wetting his diaper over the crime happening. Then I called him out and let everyone know this clown owned the company and was ginning up support and was in it for the money and no one uses his stupid technology. Havent seen him come around in a while. You're probably thinking of Matt Harrington. He's been promoting the laser etching version of ballistic fingerprinting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:05 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:05 PM Years back I had a broken firing pin for a High Standard .22 pistol that the factory insisted was a FFL only order item. For giggles because there was that proposal for imprinted firing pins to be introduced into law, I made a firing pin from rod stock available at Menard's using hand tools mainly files and a drill press. Heat treated it afterwords. The experiment worked successfully Home made firing pin worked fine. As another poster here brings up, prove they fired the weapon. Whats to stop a clever criminal from salting their crime scene with brass casings picked up from the floor at a gun range and strewn later at area of the shooting incident? Might bring up a sudden interest in revolver ownership again also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:27 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:27 PM On 1/24/2022 at 5:38 AM, mauserme said: You're probably thinking of Matt Harrington. He's been promoting the laser etching version of ballistic fingerprinting. He lives in Aurora, lost a few aldermanic races there, is a democratic socialist promoting other socialists. Here's a few points to remember folks: This laser etching is called "ammunition serialization", putting one or more tracking numbers on each bullet and casing. This is different than microstamping. But like microstamping, it's a 20 year old idea that is going nowhere and has been adopted by no one. But the owners of the intellectual property (the patents) are still out there trying to gin up interest and even have model legislation posted for wannabe saviors of humanity to run in their state legislatures. Someone from the ILGA runs a bill every session, like Sonia Harper. We have seen it before, we will see it again. Mauserme, Molly B, and the rest of us will stay vigilant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:34 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:34 PM On 1/24/2022 at 8:05 AM, Yas said: Years back I had a broken firing pin for a High Standard .22 pistol that the factory insisted was a FFL only order item. For giggles because there was that proposal for imprinted firing pins to be introduced into law, I made a firing pin from rod stock available at Menard's using hand tools mainly files and a drill press. Heat treated it afterwords. The experiment worked successfully Home made firing pin worked fine. As another poster here brings up, prove they fired the weapon. Whats to stop a clever criminal from salting their crime scene with brass casings picked up from the floor at a gun range and strewn later at area of the shooting incident? Might bring up a sudden interest in revolver ownership again also. A smart criminal would use a 22 auto and put their thumb on the back of the slide when they fire, a 22 doesn't recoil hard enough to even push you thumb out of the way. It's just convenient sometimes to not leave a casing regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:44 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 02:44 PM It's my opinion that should this become law, and then should a working firearm be created, and then should the police in Illinois adopt it that the very next thing to happen would be tantamount to a gun ban. They wouldn't just mandate that these be sold to the public, they would go big and ban all guns that do not have this technology and only permit guns with this technology be sold going forward. That's exactly what previous ammo based bills have done. They were going to ban reloading and traditional factory ammo and only allow serialized ammo in limited quantities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted January 24, 2022 at 03:08 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 03:08 PM On 1/21/2022 at 11:19 AM, mikew said: Not sure why criminals would even bother with the microstamping one way or another? Think the markings would implicate anyone but the first legal purchaser? Depends where on the illegal chain it is. There are more illegal guns that have been stolen in transit, from stores (inside and outside jobs), or from organized straw purchasing than stolen from homes. So many of those would be exposed if they didn't disable the micro-stamping before selling illegally to the street dealer or buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 24, 2022 at 04:28 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 04:28 PM Do these companies make their own firearms? I can't imagine any of the major players honoring warranties for modified pistols. I mean imagine carrying a striker fired pistol appendix without knowing if the aftermarket parts that the crown required be installed defeated any of the safeties. Guessing the drop safe mechanism would be most a risk with a firing pin based solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted January 24, 2022 at 09:37 PM Share Posted January 24, 2022 at 09:37 PM On 1/24/2022 at 5:38 AM, mauserme said: You're probably thinking of Matt Harrington. He's been promoting the laser etching version of ballistic fingerprinting. Yep...thats the jamoke. He went silent when I told the whole world what he was up,to. Im sure he is back somewhere because hucksters cant help themselves.They must be seen and heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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