ISP ANNOUNCES CHANGES TO FOID AND CCL ACTS

[Molly B.]

On 6/6/2022 at 1:01 PM, OrlandInstructor said:

Over the weekend a student called me, his  FOID  did not Auto Renew. FOID expired June 1st. Now his CCL is Suspended, which expires in 4 1/2 years. 

 

Message his info to me,  please. 

[OrlandInstructor]

I will when I am back in my office. Thank you

[Euler]

On 6/6/2022 at 2:01 PM, OrlandInstructor said:

Over the weekend a student called me, his  FOID  did not Auto Renew. FOID expired June 1st. Now his CCL is Suspended, which expires in 4 1/2 years. 

 

Does his CCL expire in 2026 or 2027? If it was issued in 2021, his FOID wouldn't have updated. If it was issued in 2022, it should have.

[OrlandInstructor]

The CCL was issued in 2022. Obviously this was a mistake by ISP. His cards are now active. Thank you 

Molly B. 

[roundkot]

Folks, could you please confirm that I do not have to apply to renew a FOID that expires in March 2023, and that ISP will renew it automatically.  I have a CCL that is valid till 2025.  Thanks.

[Molly B.]

Correct.  Your foid will be automatically renewed with an expiration date matching your ccl.

[Hatchet]

log in online and check your status. it will tell you expiration date on their website.

[roundkot]

On 10/4/2022 at 11:23 AM, Molly B. said:

Correct.  Your foid will be automatically renewed with an expiration date matching your ccl.

I tried to log into isp website to check on my foid.  Something is messed up there.  They would not recognize the password (I have it written down).  I changed it.  They asked me to re-enter a bunch of information, including drivers license number and a foid number.  It came back with a message "Please correct: Unable to Verify ID, please recheck all entered information or try again later."

 

Edit: after about 10 attempts, it went through.

Edited November 17, 2022 at 02:47 PM by roundkot

[byxlaw]

Was about to start a new topic, but looks like this one is the right place.

 

Around mid-2022, ISP extended my expiring FOID to match expiration of my CCL.

 

Few minutes ago, received what looked to be an automated SMS (with a shorter version), and the following email from ISPFSB:

 

---START---

Illinois Firearms Services Bureau <do-not-reply@globalnotifications.com> 3:51 PM

to [me]
This is to inform you that as a result of the background check associated with your recent firearm purchase, because you have fingerprints on file for this purpose, your FOID was renewed for up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction. Please visit your Applicant Portal Dashboard to view your current expiration date and to see your eCard. Because FOID and FOID/CCL combination cards no longer have printed expiration dates, you will not receive a new card. Please see our frequently asked questions at the same website for the latest information on this and other FOID and CCL matters.

---END---

 

When logged in to the portal, expiration showed 1/23/33, or 10 years from today. They added a few days to "up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction" (goodies were picked up last week, after the FFL confirmed background checked a few days earlier).

 

If this info is not relevant anymore, please delete.

[Molly B.]

On 1/23/2023 at 4:15 PM, byxlaw said:

Was about to start a new topic, but looks like this one is the right place.

 

Around mid-2022, ISP extended my expiring FOID to match expiration of my CCL.

 

Few minutes ago, received what looked to be an automated SMS (with a shorter version), and the following email from ISPFSB:

 

---START---

Illinois Firearms Services Bureau <do-not-reply@globalnotifications.com> 3:51 PM

to [me]
This is to inform you that as a result of the background check associated with your recent firearm purchase, because you have fingerprints on file for this purpose, your FOID was renewed for up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction. Please visit your Applicant Portal Dashboard to view your current expiration date and to see your eCard. Because FOID and FOID/CCL combination cards no longer have printed expiration dates, you will not receive a new card. Please see our frequently asked questions at the same website for the latest information on this and other FOID and CCL matters.

---END---

 

When logged in to the portal, expiration showed 1/23/33, or 10 years from today. They added a few days to "up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction" (goodies were picked up last week, after the FFL confirmed background checked a few days earlier).

 

If this info is not relevant anymore, please delete.

 

You are the first that I have seen to report they are actually doing this and that you received notice from them. 

 

Thanks for the update!

[pdl099]

I received the SMS text just now as well.  My FOID was expiring 11/2031 but got extended to 1/2033.

Edited January 23, 2023 at 10:48 PM by pdl099

[RandyP]

Same SMS message received here about a half hour ago. My FOID is now good till 2033. I turned 74 a short while ago, so I'm not really 'optimistic' that MY expiration date will be that far down the old road.

[2A4Cook]

On 1/23/2023 at 4:15 PM, byxlaw said:

Was about to start a new topic, but looks like this one is the right place.

 

Around mid-2022, ISP extended my expiring FOID to match expiration of my CCL.

 

Few minutes ago, received what looked to be an automated SMS (with a shorter version), and the following email from ISPFSB:

 

---START---

Illinois Firearms Services Bureau <do-not-reply@globalnotifications.com> 3:51 PM

to [me]
This is to inform you that as a result of the background check associated with your recent firearm purchase, because you have fingerprints on file for this purpose, your FOID was renewed for up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction. Please visit your Applicant Portal Dashboard to view your current expiration date and to see your eCard. Because FOID and FOID/CCL combination cards no longer have printed expiration dates, you will not receive a new card. Please see our frequently asked questions at the same website for the latest information on this and other FOID and CCL matters.

---END---

 

When logged in to the portal, expiration showed 1/23/33, or 10 years from today. They added a few days to "up to 10 years from the date of the approved transaction" (goodies were picked up last week, after the FFL confirmed background checked a few days earlier).

 

If this info is not relevant anymore, please delete.

I received the same text and an email today.  I checked and it's been extended through 2033.  I have a problem with this; because you have an unconstitutional FOID, they know each time you purchase a firearm.  They've just proven (IMO) that the FOID is a registry.  How after 55 years this hasn't made its way through the federal courts on a constitutional challenge is beyond me.  These people may not know WHAT firearms you have, but they DO know exactly how many you have, and will likely categorize you for "action" accordingly when they begin kicking doors in.

[Bobfromktown]

So basically as with all things in Illinois. Updating and combining of the foi and CCL is a sham. Meaning it's up to us to keep track of our expiration dates. My suggestion is this. Hold onto both old cards. On the new card. On the back, use a sharpie to write the expiration of the CCL. And as is the law in Illinois. Be aware of the most recent firearm purchase you made. Especially if it was after the food was renewed. Redundant info perhaps. But in keeping with all things Illinois. Always stay frosty. And yes, I received the same email this morning.

Edited January 23, 2023 at 11:59 PM by Bobfromktown
Added information.

[John Q Public]

This is only with FP on file correct?

 

JQ

[byxlaw]

On 1/23/2023 at 4:55 PM, RandyP said:

Same SMS message received here about a half hour ago. My FOID is now good till 2033. I turned 74 a short while ago, so I'm not really 'optimistic' that MY expiration date will be that far down the old road.

Please don't compete with your FOID, see it expire

[byxlaw]

Edited to remove redundancy: found separate discussion started by Molly B here: 

Wonder why could not find it earlier...

Edited January 24, 2023 at 12:19 AM by byxlaw

[Euler]

On 1/23/2023 at 6:57 PM, Bobfromktown said:

... On the new card. On the back, use a sharpie to write the expiration of the CCL. ...

 

The piece of plastic you have now is the only piece of plastic you're ever going to have. When you renew your CCL, you're not going to get new plastic. I suggest not using a Sharpie. If you feel the need to write the date on the card, put tape on the card and write on the tape. When you renew, tear off the old tape and put on some new tape.

 

Edited January 24, 2023 at 12:35 AM by Euler

[DaveIL]

On 1/23/2023 at 6:34 PM, Euler said:

 

The piece of plastic you have now is the only piece of plastic you're ever going to have. When you renew your CCL, you're not going to get new plastic. I suggest not using a Sharpie. If you feel the need to write the date on the card, put tape on the card and write on the tape. When you renew, tear off the old tape and put on some new tape.

 

I keep the secondary CCL they sent me fresh in the safe. I used the older one for my last purchase.

[steveTA84]

Yeah I just got two notices thanks to two separate gun purchases. Each one auto renewed my FOID (prints on file) ten years from purchase date. So, buy a new gun every 9 years and you won’t have to renew your FOID if you have prints on file from a CCL 🤷‍♂️

[Yeti]

On 2/3/2023 at 3:23 PM, steveTA84 said:

Yeah I just got two notices thanks to two separate gun purchases. Each one auto renewed my FOID (prints on file) ten years from purchase date. So, buy a new gun every 9 years and you won’t have to renew your FOID if you have prints on file from a CCL 🤷‍♂️

If the FOID cards haven’t been abolished in 9 years, it will be enough of a sign of how screwed up things remain that I certainly won’t be in this state any longer!

[steveTA84]

On 2/3/2023 at 8:02 PM, Yeti said:

If the FOID cards haven’t been abolished in 9 years, it will be enough of a sign of how screwed up things remain that I certainly won’t be in this state any longer!

True that 

[djmarkla]

"But honey I had to or my FOID will expire" (Think it will work?)😉

[Smallbore]

Ok I am confused (too often lately). 

Is the foid expiration date being extended to sync with the ccl expiration date but still on a ten year interval as implied in law, or given a new date unrelated to our ccl?

[Euler]

On 2/4/2023 at 12:38 PM, Smallbore said:

Ok I am confused (too often lately). 

Is the foid expiration date being extended to sync with the ccl expiration date but still on a ten year interval as implied in law, or given a new date unrelated to our ccl?

 

If you have a CCL and your FOID is set to expire before your CCL, it is extended to match the CCL expiration.

 

Otherwise the FOID should expire after your CCL, since the CCL is 5 years, the FOID is 10, and the FOID is automatically extended every time you renew your CCL or there's an FTIP query.

[Smallbore]

On 2/4/2023 at 3:28 PM, Euler said:

 

If you have a CCL and your FOID is set to expire before your CCL, it is extended to match the CCL expiration.

 

Otherwise the FOID should expire after your CCL, since the CCL is 5 years, the FOID is 10, and the FOID is automatically extended every time you renew your CCL or there's an FTIP query.

Just to clarify your last paragraph. The FTIP guery is not mention in the statutes I have read. Using myself as an example, my ccl expires in 2024. My foid in 2028.  My next ccl expiration date will be in 2029. In 2028 my foid will automatic extend to sync with my ccl 2029 expiration date. In 2029 my cost to renew will be $160 without finger prints on file or $150 with finger prints on file. I am not understanding why or how a FTIP guery pertains to this discussion in any way. Am I just thick headed? (Keep my wife out of this.)

(My current age will have an impact on the future reality of the above. Enjoy your youth while you have it.)

[Euler]

On 2/4/2023 at 11:05 PM, Smallbore said:

Just to clarify your last paragraph. The FTIP guery is not mention in the statutes I have read. Using myself as an example, my ccl expires in 2024. My foid in 2028.  My next ccl expiration date will be in 2029. In 2028 my foid will automatic extend to sync with my ccl 2029 expiration date. In 2029 my cost to renew will be $160 without finger prints on file or $150 with finger prints on file. I am not understanding why or how a FTIP guery pertains to this discussion in any way. Am I just thick headed? (Keep my wife out of this.)

(My current age will have an impact on the future reality of the above. Enjoy your youth while you have it.)

 

In 2024, when you renew your CCL, your FOID will be automatically renewed to 2034.

 

If you don't have fingerprints on file, it's true that FTIP inquiries will not extend your FOID. Fingerprints are a required element of extending the FOID expiration for FTIP queries.

 

430 ILCS 65/3.1 said:

...

(b) Upon receiving a request from a federally licensed firearm dealer, gun show promoter, or gun show vendor, the Illinois State Police shall immediately approve or, within the time period established by Section 24-3 of the Criminal Code of 2012 regarding the delivery of firearms, stun guns, and tasers, notify the inquiring dealer, gun show promoter, or gun show vendor of any objection that would disqualify the transferee from acquiring or possessing a firearm, stun gun, or taser. ...

(b-5) By January 1, 2023, the Illinois State Police shall ... provide ... automatic renewal of the Firearm Owner's Identification Card of a person at the time of an inquiry in subsection (b). Persons eligible for this process must have a set of fingerprints on file with their applications under either subsection (a-25) of Section 4 or the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.

...

[Smallbore]

Thank you Euler for your patience.

[Quiet Observer]

On 1/23/2023 at 6:34 PM, Euler said:

 

The piece of plastic you have now is the only piece of plastic you're ever going to have. When you renew your CCL, you're not going to get new plastic. I suggest not using a Sharpie. If you feel the need to write the date on the card, put tape on the card and write on the tape. When you renew, tear off the old tape and put on some new tape.

 

I agree. Just to remind some, the date that you put on the card is just a reminder for you about renewing. It will mean nothing to FFL. 

[oohrah]

Here's my renewal experience, maybe it will help some other non-resident.

 

Non-resident CCL expiring on 29 Jun 22.  I submitted renewal paperwork in early June.  I had a hard time finding an Instructor in Texas.  I did not submit fingerprints. I received an email with the memo about still being valid if submitted prior to expiration.  About 100 days later, I received a notice that my paperwork was incomplete (it wasn't) and so my application was returned.  I could not find anywhere to click to take me back to the application submission, so I hit "Submit" hoping that would do it.  All that did was say "application submitted" wait another 120 days (well, crap).  I emailed ISP but never got a response.

 

At some later point, I received an ISP letter telling me my FOID application was denied.  Of course, being a non-resident, I couldn't get a FOID, so I ignored it.  Kept checking the portal, and it finally said "background check complete", and then a few weeks later in January 2023, "printed".

 

On February 8th in the mail, I received a "State of Illinois Firearm Owner's Identification Card".  On the top right is says "CCL: Yes".  The FOID number is NOT the same as my old CCL number.  There is also a long "AL:" number which doesn't match anything previous.  And of course - NO EXPIRATION DATE!

 

Does this mean my CCL never expires?  And if I get stopped by ISP, won't they wonder about a non-res with a FOID?  I realized laws changed quite a bit, but I'm having a hard time deciphering them.