C0untZer0 Posted November 6, 2021 at 07:29 PM Share Posted November 6, 2021 at 07:29 PM I'm guessing it wasn't ball ammo? It almost took off that guy's arm off - "Gaige Grosskreutz, medic and 'Sole Survivor' of Kenosha Shootings" I searched a little but couldn't find what ammo was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted November 6, 2021 at 10:12 PM Share Posted November 6, 2021 at 10:12 PM Should that become public, you can bet the lefties will be screaming to ban it. I doubt that it much matters what kind, though .. wasn't it practically point blank range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:05 PM Share Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:05 PM Somewhere I read Green tips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:26 PM Share Posted November 6, 2021 at 11:26 PM On 11/6/2021 at 7:05 PM, ScopeEye said: Somewhere I read Green tips "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:06 AM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:06 AM On 11/6/2021 at 6:26 PM, Euler said: "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing. If it comes out of the muzzle of a rifle chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO, then it is already something that the libs have tried to ban in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:21 AM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 12:21 AM On 11/6/2021 at 7:06 PM, mikew said: If it comes out of the muzzle of a rifle chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO, then it is already something that the libs have tried to ban in the past. Purple on >>>Plus it is a Black rifle so it MUST be bad.<<<purple off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:13 AM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:13 AM Anything out of an AR15, at point blank range, would do that kind of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:55 AM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 01:55 AM On 11/6/2021 at 6:26 PM, Euler said: "They" already want to ban that, because Obama said it was armor-piercing. I don't know about it being "armor piercing " but it was certainly arm piercing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted November 7, 2021 at 04:12 PM Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 04:12 PM If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:10 PM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:10 PM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Could it have been helped along by muzzle blast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:30 PM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 05:30 PM Based solely upon the results......”Deadly Ammo”. The kind that can kill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted November 7, 2021 at 07:29 PM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 07:29 PM On 11/7/2021 at 11:10 AM, 2A4Cook said: Could it have been helped along by muzzle blast? That would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeler1945 Posted November 7, 2021 at 08:58 PM Share Posted November 7, 2021 at 08:58 PM When the prosecution direct questioned Ryan Balch (day 2 of the trial I believe), they had him explain what an FMJ was, even though he wasn't brought in as an expert witness. This implies to me that KR was carrying FMJ, but did not denote whether it was 55gr, 62gr or other. Prosecution seemed to be going for the "overly dangerous ammo" argument because "FMJ can over penetrate vs JHP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:17 AM Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:17 AM Kyle Rittenhouse confirmed on the stand that his rifle was loaded with FMJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:50 AM Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:50 AM If it hit bone, it would likely rupture the arm like a ripe melon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:58 AM Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 02:58 AM On 11/10/2021 at 9:17 PM, C0untZer0 said: Kyle Rittenhouse confirmed on the stand that his rifle was loaded with FMJ. Brietbart Brietbart said: Prosecutor Thomas Binger cross-examined Kyle Rittenhouse in court on Wednesday and suggested hollow point bullets are designed to "explode" inside an animal. "Hollow point bullets are designed to hit the animal that they're being shot at, let's say a deer for example, and explode inside that body, correct?" Binger said. Rittenhouse shook his head left to right and said, "No, I don't think so." Judge Bruce Schroeder then interjected and asked Binger to clarify as to whether he meant "expand" or "explode." ... Binger's emphasis on ammunition came after Rittenhouse had already confirmed that his AR-15 was loaded with full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets, rather than hollow points. I'm sure he meant "explode," because he's confirming what his intended audience thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted November 11, 2021 at 03:41 AM Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 03:41 AM Wow, they've miniaturized anti-tank rounds for everyone to use! Stupid lefties ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted November 11, 2021 at 05:13 AM Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 05:13 AM 'tis but a scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted November 11, 2021 at 01:48 PM Share Posted November 11, 2021 at 01:48 PM He testified that it was .223 fmj. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 19, 2021 at 12:09 AM Share Posted December 19, 2021 at 12:09 AM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Why is that hard to believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yettiblood Posted December 19, 2021 at 02:19 AM Share Posted December 19, 2021 at 02:19 AM On 11/7/2021 at 10:12 AM, C0untZer0 said: If an FMJ didn't tumble, wouldn't it make a through-and-through hole ? The top part of that guy's arm was blown off. Its hard to believe hydro-static shock did that. Through and through yes, but flesh and muscle don’t absorb the bullets kinetic energy very well so through and through can be pretty gnarly, especially at 3000 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted December 23, 2021 at 03:59 PM Share Posted December 23, 2021 at 03:59 PM It's my understanding that if a bullet severs ligaments that the muscles they're connected to will contract instantly like a roller shade. That violence of action may be what a made an otherwise comparitively minor wound seem so much worse in photos and video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos Posted February 24, 2022 at 03:10 PM Share Posted February 24, 2022 at 03:10 PM On 11/10/2021 at 11:13 PM, oneshot said: 'tis but a scratch. Wow. Never saw this picture before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4ndy Posted February 25, 2022 at 11:36 PM Share Posted February 25, 2022 at 11:36 PM Arm piercing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:06 AM Share Posted February 26, 2022 at 03:06 AM On 2/25/2022 at 5:36 PM, r4ndy said: Arm piercing? Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max503 Posted March 1, 2022 at 12:29 PM Share Posted March 1, 2022 at 12:29 PM Speed Kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 1, 2022 at 01:50 PM Share Posted March 1, 2022 at 01:50 PM This is how ignorant some of our Illinois politicians are. This is my US Reps reaction to the Rittenhouse verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:55 PM Share Posted March 3, 2022 at 09:55 PM If you check out 223 ballistic gel test videos on YouTube, seeing the force of a standard FMJ coming out at 223 velocities ,the damage to that loser's arm wouldn't be all that surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted March 3, 2022 at 10:15 PM Share Posted March 3, 2022 at 10:15 PM The CIP chamber pressure spec for 5.56 NATO is 62,000 psi so not only is that little piece of metal moving a good rate but also has a good jet of air behind it that close up. The rifle gas system is going to bleed off some of that but still a decent jet of air and still combusting propellant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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