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‘We’re seeing an explosion:’ Sheriff Tom Dart, state Sen. Jacqueline Collins take aim at ghost guns, propose legislation to ban the untraceable weapons

CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
OCT 14, 2021 AT 4:36 PM
 
 
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart Thursday announced proposed legislation to ban ghost guns — homemade, untraceable firearms — which increasingly are being recovered on the county’s streets.
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The new legislation would ban the sale of ghost gun kits immediately and ban any privately assembled firearms unless they are registered with the state and marked with a serial number. The legislation also allows for a six-month grace period to let current ghost gun owners register them.
 
... a first violation would be a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as a year in jail. Any subsequent offense would be a Class 3 felony, punishable by a prison sentence of five to 10 years.
 
Dart is partnering on the proposal with Democratic Illinois state Sen. Jacqueline Collins. She was not at the news conference but said in a statement that gun violence is “plaguing Illinois’ Black and brown communities.”
... In response to an open-records request by the Tribune in late June, the Chicago Police Department said it doesn’t track the number of its confiscated guns that are deemed “ghost guns.” 
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On 10/15/2021 at 6:40 AM, mauserme said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-cook-county-sheriff-dart-ghost-gun-legislation-20211014-whvwjv5aangmtaje27gpllqtvu-story.html

 

‘We’re seeing an explosion:’ Sheriff Tom Dart, state Sen. Jacqueline Collins take aim at ghost guns, propose legislation to ban the untraceable weapons

CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
OCT 14, 2021 AT 4:36 PM
 
 
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart Thursday announced proposed legislation to ban ghost guns — homemade, untraceable firearms — which increasingly are being recovered on the county’s streets.
...
The new legislation would ban the sale of ghost gun kits immediately and ban any privately assembled firearms unless they are registered with the state and marked with a serial number. The legislation also allows for a six-month grace period to let current ghost gun owners register them.
 
... a first violation would be a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as a year in jail. Any subsequent offense would be a Class 3 felony, punishable by a prison sentence of five to 10 years.
 
Dart is partnering on the proposal with Democratic Illinois state Sen. Jacqueline Collins. She was not at the news conference but said in a statement that gun violence is “plaguing Illinois’ Black and brown communities.”
... In response to an open-records request by the Tribune in late June, the Chicago Police Department said it doesn’t track the number of its confiscated guns that are deemed “ghost guns.” 
...
 

So Hair Gel Dart is claiming that they are increasingly being recovered on the streets.” yet the CPD says they do not track them. 
Hmm

 

So Sen Collins claims that gun (really Gang). Violence is plaguing her communities but fails to tie so-called ghost guns to the problem.

 

 

It sounds like a the solution to nonexistent problem. 
 

If this legislation were to pass and the violence were to continue then what would these politicians propose?

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On 10/15/2021 at 6:40 AM, mauserme said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-cook-county-sheriff-dart-ghost-gun-legislation-20211014-whvwjv5aangmtaje27gpllqtvu-story.html

 

‘We’re seeing an explosion:’ Sheriff Tom Dart, state Sen. Jacqueline Collins take aim at ghost guns, propose legislation to ban the untraceable weapons

CHICAGO TRIBUNE |
OCT 14, 2021 AT 4:36 PM
 
 
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart Thursday announced proposed legislation to ban ghost guns — homemade, untraceable firearms — which increasingly are being recovered on the county’s streets.
...
The new legislation would ban the sale of ghost gun kits immediately and ban any privately assembled firearms unless they are registered with the state and marked with a serial number. The legislation also allows for a six-month grace period to let current ghost gun owners register them.
 
... a first violation would be a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as a year in jail. Any subsequent offense would be a Class 3 felony, punishable by a prison sentence of five to 10 years.
 
Dart is partnering on the proposal with Democratic Illinois state Sen. Jacqueline Collins. She was not at the news conference but said in a statement that gun violence is “plaguing Illinois’ Black and brown communities.”
... In response to an open-records request by the Tribune in late June, the Chicago Police Department said it doesn’t track the number of its confiscated guns that are deemed “ghost guns.” 
...
 

So Hair Gel Dart is claiming that they are increasingly being recovered on the streets.” yet the CPD says they do not track them. 
Hmm

 

So Sen Collins claims that gun (really Gang). Violence is plaguing her communities but fails to tie so-called ghost guns to the problem.

 

 

It sounds like a the solution to nonexistent problem. 
 

If this legislation were to pass and the violence were to continue then what would these politicians propose?

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So they already have gun laws which carry the  misdemeanor and risking felony charges. But we all know that they don’t ie “won’t” charge these folks with said charges and incarcerate them. They laugh at the idea of serving any time in cook county or the city!

So instead of attempting to go after something that either is or would be rare, why not force these charges and stop the flow of ALL guns?

 

sometimes as I post I start banging my head against the wall and wonder why I even post! They are surely wearing us down day by day!

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Does anyone find any irony to the fact that the story is about "not having identification numbers" on firearms, yet the story does reference a specific "bill number" (id)- as it probably does not exist. So is this story about ghost legislation? Should we criminalize reporting on ghost legislation?

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On 10/15/2021 at 8:57 AM, Stats said:

Does anyone find any irony to the fact that the story is about "not having identification numbers" on firearms, yet the story does reference a specific "bill number" (id)- as it probably does not exist. So is this story about ghost legislation? Should we criminalize reporting on ghost legislation?

 

I'm sure the bill exists.  We'll likely see it 10/19/2021, when the legislature is back.

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Of course it's more bad news from this bad news state. 

 

One way around it is to stamp a number on any ghost guns you might have / or built.  "This one is 'OU812', officer. Honest."

 

It's still rotten news if it  passes. 

 

There are no federal laws against building your own guns, just selling them as a business. You can even build one, then decide later to sell it, as long as you're not in the business of selling firearms. Of course with the way of the world these days, that can change at a moment's notice. 

 

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Senator Jacqueline Collins, who was too busy to be at the news conference, but said in a statement that gun violence is plaquing Illinois' black and brown communities.

 

Where are these ghost guns coming from? From the collar states where gun violence has continually remained lower than Illinois?

Who is supplying the black and brown communities with ghost guns? White conservative Christians?

Who will these new laws target and put into prison? The black and brown communities?

 

 

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On 10/15/2021 at 1:27 PM, mab22 said:

Whats scary is that they state "privately assembled". They are not only going after the handguns, they probably want to target the AR's that people can assemble on their own.

"and ban any privately assembled firearms unless they are registered with the state and marked with a serial number"

I read that and was wondering about that with respect to already-serialized lowers used to assemble ARs.  I guess we'll have to see how the bill is worded, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's one focus of it. 

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So the illegally owned guns are not really coming from free states such as Indiana, Tennessee, Iowa, etc. as previously claimed?  If you are a criminal organization and you need guns it's a whole lot more efficient to set some out of work machinists up with equipment and produce the guns you need, plus make it a profit center by selling them to other organizations.  The cartels have been doing this for decades.  You don't have to manufacture the most reliable or smoothest operating gun when it's basically a disposable item.

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