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"I think it does at least partly explain why the ISRA has not made any public statements: it's relying on the ambiguity of ignorance." Well stated.

 

"If shotguns are all they own, there is a high likelihood that they are a FUDD." This might not be the best to assume anymore. There are a lot of clay shooters who are staunch defenders of OUR civil right. We're in this together.

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I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with Richard Pearson at the ISRA. ... They were neutral because there is no final bill yet and they want to be able to have input in the final proposal which may pass tomorrow.

 

Heck with that. "Hey, ISRA, your input should be that all these bills suck, you oppose them, and that you'll expend your energy in court since it seems to be the only solid ground to stand on focus anyway. Not opposing a bad bill is going to come back to bite you."

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A phone call with Richard Pearson does not equate to a public statement. He needs to publicly explain to the ISRA membership what has happened and to clarify the ISRA's intent and direction regarding proposed anti-gun legislation. Anything less than a public statement is hearsay.

 

Silence in this matter is deafening. Without a statement the air may well be filled with calls for his resignation. It has been too long without hearing from the core of the dispute. What may have been explainable two weeks ago is now a festering wound.

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A phone call with Richard Pearson does not equate to a public statement. He needs to publicly explain to the ISRA membership what has happened and to clarify the ISRA's intent and direction regarding proposed anti-gun legislation. Anything less than a public statement is hearsay.

 

Silence in this matter is deafening. Without a statement the air may well be filled with calls for his resignation. It has been too long without hearing from the core of the dispute. What may have been explainable two weeks ago is now a festering wound.

I would also like him to keep in mind that people who know the back story are no longer holding back. This is not the time to be creative.

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Not sure if this has been posted yet but mom at arms had an interesting article about how the ISRA supported the origional FOID act back in the late 60's.

We're not trying to bury the organization. The folks who were at the helm in the late 1960's are not the same now.

 

We would like to get to the bottom of recent events and, hopefully, sway them to a correct position on their several versions of FOID Modernization.

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I finally joined ISRA the first of this year after years of thinking about it and then not doing it. I will not renew my membership as long as the current leadership at ISRA remains in charge.

That is part of the reason I have not made any additional "donations" to the NRA beyond my endowment level membership. :ermm:

Years ago, I had a life membership in the North American Hunting club. Then they went belly up and disappeared. :angry:

Once burned - twice shy.

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I never understood why I've read so many posts complaining about ISRA. Now I do. Unless something major changes with them on this FOID stuff, I won't be renewing with them, ever. I know that sounds like an emotional outburst, :), however, this stance is pure insanity imo. I'm honestly perplexed. Did Bloomy buy the ISRA??? (that was sarcasm) I just re- upped here. Thank you all for what you do.
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This is so disappointing.

 

We who have over the years trusted ISRA to faithfully not defend the status quo, but push back against further inroads, now get no official explanation of why they failed to vigorously oppose these new restrictions.

 

But there is a second level of disappointment. Illinois Carry -- through this forum -- has the most effective and concentrated outreach available to gun owners in this state. Why hasn't ISRA reached out -- authoritatively and comprehensively -- to this readership in response to to the clear concerns being voiced here?

 

Color me deeply troubled.

 

Rich Phillips

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"That the ant gunners have a super majority plus in both chambers and a willing governor. We are going to get a new law no matter how much we don't want it and its better to remain at that table to help moderate it, we can not stop it if we do not have the numbers."

 

Eh, to me that is a cop out. When is the last time the Dems didn't hold a majority/super majority in both chambers?

 

He basically said, "If you can't beat them, join them" with that statement.

 

ISRA has effectively made themselves moot in any future FOID lawsuits, this will forever haunt them in the courts.

 

They wanted to remain at the table, so where are the penalties against ISP if they do not meet the deadlines? Why is it always penalties against the firearm owners and never against those that delay rights guaranteed, especially when it is "Shall issue within" yet they don't unless it is to make a lawsuit moot.

 

ISRA sold out their members and nonmembers alike, they did not represent them.

 

ISRA has given the grabbers two birds with one stone. They're gonna get their new gun control legislation and they have fractured ISRA as a whole.

 

If the House concurrs today I can guarantee one thing. The next ISRA membership application I receive will get ripped up, placed back in the envelope with a copy of their witness slip positions and final vote tally and sent back to them.

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I had offered that my sons FOID was 16 months in renewal limbo and he suggested that the system would be back to normal within 6 months of the law going into effect. I said if they don’t fund it it means nothing. That they can bowl us over at the IGA seems to guide the direction the ISRA takes. Im with most here i just want to know whats coming and what is being done to try and stop it.

 

What ever Todd said to RW, it flipped him like a switch. Sure hate to see TV retire, would be great if he stayed active on line with his insight.

 

Im comming up on 50 years with a FOID card. Its a bigger burden now then when I first applied. Gun owner control has moved to the state capitals and thats where the real trouble starts now.

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This is the headline of the lead editorial in today’s Chicago Libune.
Even they see the ISRA neutral stance as support for the bill.

The editorial board did not seem to read through all the finer points of the anti-gun bill to see the harm it will do to 2A rights in Illinois

 

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This is the headline of the lead editorial in today’s Chicago Libune.

Even they see the ISRA neutral stance as support for the bill.

 

The editorial board did not seem to read through all the finer points of the anti-gun bill to see the harm it will do to 2A rights in Illinois

 

Exactly. Optics is everything, and the ISRA screwed themselves here

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Just got off the phone with the ISRA. To sum up for conversation. "HB 1091 or 562 will pass today. HB 562 is less bad and doesn't take away as many rights, so we are staying neutral." My reply was that's like saying punch me in the face instead of the gut. Talked to then for about 15 minutes, bottom line they ISRA is defending and will continue to defend their neutral stance, saying they need a seat at the negotiating table. I told them in a negotiation each side gets something they want. Anti-gun advocates got stuff they wanted, pro 2a got nothing, but more onerous restrictions
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Just got off the phone with the ISRA. To sum up for conversation. "HB 1091 or 562 will pass today. HB 562 is less bad and doesn't take away as many rights, so we are staying neutral." My reply was that's like saying punch me in the face instead of the gut. Talked to then for about 15 minutes, bottom line they ISRA is defending and will continue to defend their neutral stance, saying they need a seat at the negotiating table. I told them in a negotiation each side gets something they want. Anti-gun advocates got stuff they wanted, pro 2a got nothing, but more onerous restrictions

HB1091 already did pass and is being held in the House because they lack the votes in the Senate. Even if the House were to remove the procedural hold, the Senate is gone and would not be able to take it up.

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It’s “less bad” now, but it’s just a Trojan horse they’re signing onto. The gun control groups aren’t happy with this bill, and will almost certainly be back in the fall or next Spring with their version. Mandating fingerprints won’t be as big a deal, they’ll say, because “some people do it already with no complaints”. The person to person will come back in one of two ways (because this is a major sticking point with these groups). They will either once again try to mandate all transactions go through an FFL, or they will use the State licensing act to mandate that FFL’s accept paperwork for transactions they had nothing to do with.

 

Death by a thousand cuts.

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Just got off the phone with the ISRA. To sum up for conversation. "HB 1091 or 562 will pass today. HB 562 is less bad and doesn't take away as many rights, so we are staying neutral." My reply was that's like saying punch me in the face instead of the gut. Talked to then for about 15 minutes, bottom line they ISRA is defending and will continue to defend their neutral stance, saying they need a seat at the negotiating table. I told them in a negotiation each side gets something they want. Anti-gun advocates got stuff they wanted, pro 2a got nothing, but more onerous restrictions

 

 

So in other words since 1091 didn't have the votes to pass the Senate because it was too restrictive/demanding, they were forced to make a less restrictive/demanding bill to gain those missing votes.

 

To me, it sounds like those not wanting to vote for it were in "at the table" and ISRA could have still opposed it, but they decided to file neutral then push House members behind closed doors to vote for it, so they were in fact proponents. The secret is already out on that.

 

How many moderate D's will vote for it at the request of the ISRA and face the same backlash and potentially lose their seat next election to a bigger anti as a result? I sure hope no R's listened to them.

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ISRA burned us all badly. They should pay deeply for their transgressions.

 

Its very damning that ASC came out publicly with an official stance, this does not happen often. If ASC steps out and makes such a strong statement, people should realize where we are and where we need to be, NOW.

 

Its time for pitchforks and torches again.

 

#InToddWeTrust

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Posted this in the ILGA session thread, but don't want to pollute it with ISRA disappointment.

 

To me, all this bill wants to do is end what private FFL's still exist and make ISP the defacto records keeper, cough registration, and transferer of the firearm.

 

 

ISRA has screwed gun owners over pretty good if this passes. They have given them their inch, I can only imagine what lies ahead in their mile.

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Posted this in the ILGA session thread, but don't want to pollute it with ISRA disappointment.

 

To me, all this bill wants to do is end what private FFL's still exist and make ISP the defacto records keeper, cough registration, and transferer of the firearm.

 

 

ISRA has screwed gun owners over pretty good if this passes. They have given them their inch, I can only imagine what lies ahead in their mile.

Yep. ISRA might attempt to justify this by saying “There are good things in this bill that some Republicans introduced before.”

 

That might be true. You can offer me a gourmet plate of the finest foods around, but if it’s garnished with a bit of raw sewage detrimental to my health I’m not going to eat it. They apparently have no issue with eating a crap sandwich.

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Aurora Sportmen's Club Board of Directors votes no confidence in ISRA.

 

"On June 10, 2021, the Aurora Sportsmen’s Club Board of Directors unanimously approved a motion of no-confidence in the Illinois State Rifle Association’s (ISRA) leadership in defending Illinois gun owners’ Second Amendment rights.

 

This vote was triggered by the ISRA’s recent “Neutral” position on HB562, the “FOID Modernization” bill. HB562 is not just an anti-gun bill, it is an anti-gun owner bill.

 

The exact content of the bill was changing rapidly right up through the end of the session. The Senate and the House passed slightly different versions of the bill, therefore the legislation will require a concurrence vote in the house before making its way to the governor’s desk. While this bill has not yet passed into law, it is clear to the board of ASC that the ISRA is willing to:

 

Negotiate away your rights

 

Increase the burden on law-abiding gun owners to report private firearms sales through federal firearms license (FFL) dealers

 

Allows for a new $25 Fee/Tax for person-to-person firearms transfers

 

Force retention a record of which gun dealer facilitated any person-to-person transfer for 20 years

 

Make it easier for the state to track private firearms transfers

 

Not require mandatory destruction of information that the state police collect on person-to-person transfers after a prescribed time

 

Allow the State of Illinois to collect your fingerprints for simply owning a gun

 

These are the most recent items from the G-Pac gun-control wishlist that have been peddled to Illinois legislators with the promise that they will reduce “gun violence.” They are the restrictions that YOU are being asked to swallow in exchange for the privilege of not having to renew your FOID card every 10 years for $10 and unifying your FOID and CCL permits into one card. Short of a complete ban, a gun registry is the dream of the gun control lobby. This bill, if passed, gets them one step closer to knowing what guns you own, yet the ISRA is “neutral.”

 

While the official position of the ISRA on this bill was “neutral” we have learned that they were lobbying legislators to support this act. Members of the ASC Board of Directors spoke with ISRA President Doug Mayhall and one of the ISRA lobbyists attempting to convince them that this was yet another slap-in-the-face to Illinois gun owners that would not be received with the open arms that the ISRA believed it would. Our conversations did not have the desired outcome.

 

The increased burdens on gun owners to conduct private transfers will impact all residents of Illinois but will be particularly burdensome for Chicago residents due to the lack of retail FFL dealers in the city.

 

The ASC Board of Directors took no pleasure in this action and hopes that the ISRA will reconsider its position.

 

To hear more or ask questions, please attend the ASC General Meeting Under the Tent tomorrow night at 6 P.M. on the east-side ranges. Please register here if you plan to attend"

 

This is already the case with FTIP. With FTIP, ISP already knows what type, make and model you own. I know they (ISP) will deny it, but it's certainly the case.

 

As for the ISRA, I would hold off judgement. As controversial as that sounds. Personally, I'm fed up with the FOID system. I despise the renewal aspect. But you know what else I despise: gun ranges and Illinois gun culture enabling the FOID system.

 

How?

 

Gun ranges that require FOID cards to use range facilities (private property), they are just as culpable for keeping the FOID system and culture alive. The extra legalism from this: it's why we have the problems we do with the FOID system.

 

The way I see it: you can't credibly argue the FOID system is discriminatory, when you're benefitting from that system, to determine who can use your private property.

 

Like it or not, gun ranges and Illinois gun culture have enabled the FOID card.

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Shops that require the FOID for gatekeeping purposes are ingraining the perception of legitimacy of the thing. This is partially why we are in this position today. We have built the perception of FOID legitimacy over the last five decades because it is law and we, by nature, comply with the law. But, it was bad law. It was law that, originally, never really inflected pain or inconvenience originally and was tolerated. But, with the advent of the new socialist Democrats, we see why bad law can never be disregarded again. It was the pathway to incremental restrictions abetted by those who continue in their belief that the FOID was somehow good for us.

 

Regardless the past, the jury has returned and, on evidence, has found the ISRA guilty of collaboration with those who continue to believe that a civil right can be licensed and taxed. The organization has also been found guilty of arrogance in their belief that only they represent the higher power in all matters related to gun law. The penalty for their crimes is yet to be determined.

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