357 Posted June 12, 2021 at 08:14 PM Share Posted June 12, 2021 at 08:14 PM Aurora Sportmen's Club Board of Directors votes no confidence in ISRA. "On June 10, 2021, the Aurora Sportsmen’s Club Board of Directors unanimously approved a motion of no-confidence in the Illinois State Rifle Association’s (ISRA) leadership in defending Illinois gun owners’ Second Amendment rights. This vote was triggered by the ISRA’s recent “Neutral” position on HB562, the “FOID Modernization” bill. HB562 is not just an anti-gun bill, it is an anti-gun owner bill. The exact content of the bill was changing rapidly right up through the end of the session. The Senate and the House passed slightly different versions of the bill, therefore the legislation will require a concurrence vote in the house before making its way to the governor’s desk. While this bill has not yet passed into law, it is clear to the board of ASC that the ISRA is willing to: Negotiate away your rights Increase the burden on law-abiding gun owners to report private firearms sales through federal firearms license (FFL) dealers Allows for a new $25 Fee/Tax for person-to-person firearms transfers Force retention a record of which gun dealer facilitated any person-to-person transfer for 20 years Make it easier for the state to track private firearms transfers Not require mandatory destruction of information that the state police collect on person-to-person transfers after a prescribed time Allow the State of Illinois to collect your fingerprints for simply owning a gun These are the most recent items from the G-Pac gun-control wishlist that have been peddled to Illinois legislators with the promise that they will reduce “gun violence.” They are the restrictions that YOU are being asked to swallow in exchange for the privilege of not having to renew your FOID card every 10 years for $10 and unifying your FOID and CCL permits into one card. Short of a complete ban, a gun registry is the dream of the gun control lobby. This bill, if passed, gets them one step closer to knowing what guns you own, yet the ISRA is “neutral.” While the official position of the ISRA on this bill was “neutral” we have learned that they were lobbying legislators to support this act. Members of the ASC Board of Directors spoke with ISRA President Doug Mayhall and one of the ISRA lobbyists attempting to convince them that this was yet another slap-in-the-face to Illinois gun owners that would not be received with the open arms that the ISRA believed it would. Our conversations did not have the desired outcome. The increased burdens on gun owners to conduct private transfers will impact all residents of Illinois but will be particularly burdensome for Chicago residents due to the lack of retail FFL dealers in the city. The ASC Board of Directors took no pleasure in this action and hopes that the ISRA will reconsider its position. To hear more or ask questions, please attend the ASC General Meeting Under the Tent tomorrow night at 6 P.M. on the east-side ranges. Please register here if you plan to attend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:20 AM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:20 AM Things to consider that attach at odd angles:1. The ISRA sometimes works in the background and apparently writes these "competing" anti-gun bills.It's all quiet until it's not. Barb Wheeler noted when interviewed that the ISRA helped with her version of the bump-stock ban.https://patch.com/illinois/crystallake/rep-wheeler-il-rifle-association-work-together-bump-fire-stock-bill 2. Let's say HB562 passes, and the ISRA is in court over some aspect of the FOID: Doesn't their tacit acceptance of the legislation hurt their stance or testimony in court over the civil rights aspect of the FOID card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:39 AM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:39 AM Things to consider that attach at odd angles:1. The ISRA sometimes works in the background and apparently writes these "competing" anti-gun bills.It's all quiet until it's not. Barb Wheeler noted when interviewed that the ISRA helped with her version of the bump-stock ban.https://patch.com/illinois/crystallake/rep-wheeler-il-rifle-association-work-together-bump-fire-stock-bill 2. Let's say HB562 passes, and the ISRA is in court over some aspect of the FOID: Doesn't their tacit acceptance of the legislation hurt their stance or testimony in court over the civil rights aspect of the FOID card?You will find interesting discussion about the bump stock ban in our Emergency Call to Action 4/17/2018 - Oppose Bump Stock Class X Felony, as well as coverage of some committee hearings of the same vintage..In my opinion, if HB562 were to become law it would jeopardize some if ISRA's own litigation, like Bradley v Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:17 AM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:17 AM FWIW, here is the original (March 25) ISRA bulletin about the Modernization Act. Here is the IC thread announcing the bulletin. There was a bit of skepticism expressed even then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt guy Posted June 13, 2021 at 06:07 AM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 06:07 AM What an unsavory situation. Im not re-upping this time around. I understand politics is a messy business but either you stick to your values or you get compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:55 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 12:55 PM I wonder what was discussed at ASC last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 13, 2021 at 01:05 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 01:05 PM I wonder what was discussed at ASC last night. I'm told membership backed the board's vote of no confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted June 13, 2021 at 02:28 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 02:28 PM There must be a reason for their actions. This conversation never would never have emerged if they had been more forthcoming. They need to provide a detailed account of the way things developed, to restore/solidify confidence in their efforts going forward. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:03 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:03 PM I finally joined ISRA the first of this year after years of thinking about it and then not doing it. I will not renew my membership as long as the current leadership at ISRA remains in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:18 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 04:18 PM I don't plan on renewing my membership either. Pearson needs to go. Maybe IC should take a vote of confidence also and send them the results. I vote "No Confidence " There's the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted June 13, 2021 at 05:40 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 05:40 PM i am down with THE KING and Colt Guy. I will be putting more money into IC and that will come from me not giving the ISRA anymore of my hard earned funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted June 13, 2021 at 07:37 PM Share Posted June 13, 2021 at 07:37 PM From the Aurora Sportsmans Club.....182EA9F6-693C-4E76-A31A-62713D0AD2B7.jpeg98568DAE-E3B7-472D-A601-B474FF1E9E0A.jpegE101ED33-8953-4CEE-8DC3-EC63A5C8F1C3.jpeg Where did this come from?ASC email to members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted June 14, 2021 at 12:15 AM Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 12:15 AM I don't plan on renewing my membership either. Pearson needs to go. Maybe IC should take a vote of confidence also and send them the results. I vote "No Confidence " There's the start. I second the " No Confidence " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted June 14, 2021 at 05:09 PM Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 05:09 PM Where is the direct public statement from the ISRA that they take no stand on said legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 14, 2021 at 05:19 PM Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 05:19 PM Where is the direct public statement from the ISRA that they take no stand on said legislation. You have to look at the witness slips. HB562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixd Posted June 14, 2021 at 06:37 PM Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 at 06:37 PM Where is the direct public statement from the ISRA that they take no stand on said legislation.You have to look at the witness slips. HB562 All we need now is a direct public statement from the ISRA about why they didn't oppose the legislation. Now doubt their position will be used against us in the coming weeks. As an ISRA member I'd like to know if they will recant their actions. The future of many relationships with ISRA are hanging in the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted June 15, 2021 at 11:36 AM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 11:36 AM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunuser17 Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:30 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:30 PM Full circle the wagons mode just like the NRA. No more dues from me to ISRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam.roesler74@gmail.com Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:40 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:40 PM People are extremely upset and want answers. Their membership will decline as a result and some outlets already are covering it (and not in a good light)I know they will not get another dime from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:48 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:48 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 The last post was interesting. If it was in reference to HB0562, "never had a chance at becoming law" seems a little too optimistic. I don't believe for a minute that is the question "many want answered". This sounds like a bunch of silly nonsense fabricated by a loud small group. They didn't support the legislation and why would they even bother to spend a moment's of time developing opposition to legislation they likely knew never had a chance at becoming law? THINK. Meanwhile, mauserme started a separate thread with a WTTW article, and the ISRA position is clarified somewhat. https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA.https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196The facts are the facts. That guy responding to you either doesn't know them or is intentionally obfuscating them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixd Posted June 15, 2021 at 01:35 PM Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 01:35 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA.https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196The facts are the facts. That guy responding to you either doesn't know them or is intentionally obfuscating themThe guy who responded is a know it all. Even when wrong he’ll tell you he’s right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 15, 2021 at 02:20 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 02:20 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA.https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196The facts are the facts. That guy responding to you either doesn't know them or is intentionally obfuscating them The guy who responded is a know it all. Even when wrong he’ll tell you he’s right. Ya' know, I'll grant he knows how to write about guns and hunting and stuff. He should stay in that lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:37 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:37 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 In all my years of advocating for Second Amendment rights some shotgunners are the hardest to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:54 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 04:54 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA.https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 In all my years of advocating for Second Amendment rights some shotgunners are the hardest to reach.That’s simple as to why. Sport > rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeler1945 Posted June 15, 2021 at 05:07 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 05:07 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 In all my years of advocating for Second Amendment rights some shotgunners are the hardest to reach. If shotguns are all they own, there is a high likelihood that they are a FUDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 15, 2021 at 06:31 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 06:31 PM Got my head handed to me for suggesting an explanation was due from the ISRA. https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=534196 This is not the first event in recent history when people, of either/any political persuasion, ignored the truth because they didn't want to believe it. I think it does at least partly explain why the ISRA has not made any public statements: it's relying on the ambiguity of ignorance. Additionally, notice in the referenced thread that people are confused by which bills the ISRA is openly opposing and which one it is not. The ISRA opposes Fix the FOID and the red flag expansion, so they're assuming the ISRA opposes Modernization as well. I have no doubt the anti-2A puppeteers are full of glee at the confusion among the pro-2A people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:29 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:29 PM I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with Richard Pearson at the ISRA. You can call and ask what ever question you have, if he's available. He was very forthcoming, explaining that the ISRA wants to remain a part of the negotiation. That the ant gunners have a super majority plus in both chambers and a willing governor. We are going to get a new law no matter how much we don't want it and its better to remain at that table to help moderate it, we can not stop it if we do not have the numbers. The rest of you, who care, can call the ISRA and get more details. They are pushing hard against fingerprinting for FOID and believes they have the votes to derail it. 1091 is the bill they they are pushing back on the hardest and hope the less draconian 562 is what get passed. They are not abandoning us, we live in enemy territory ( my analogy, not his) Illinois voters elected this government to do what its doing. None of this is unconstitutional unless A COURT SAYS IT and they are hoping the law suits against the FOID system will help us in the not to distant future. They were neutral because there is no final bill yet and they want to be able to have input in the final proposal which may pass tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:34 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:34 PM ^^^^ It’s better a bad bill passes and is tied up in the courts (1091 would be an easy challenge) than a watered down bill passes that can be harder to kill in the courts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:35 PM Share Posted June 15, 2021 at 08:35 PM I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with Richard Pearson at the ISRA. You can call and ask what ever question you have, if he's available. He was very forthcoming, explaining that the ISRA wants to remain a part of the negotiation. That the ant gunners have a super majority plus in both chambers and a willing governor. We are going to get a new law no matter how much we don't want it and its better to remain at that table to help moderate it, we can not stop it if we do not have the numbers. The rest of you, who care, can call the ISRA and get more details. They are pushing hard against fingerprinting for FOID and believes they have the votes to derail it. 1091 is the bill they they are pushing back on the hardest and hope the less draconian 562 is what get passed. They are not abandoning us, we live in enemy territory ( my analogy, not his) Illinois voters elected this government to do what its doing. None of this is unconstitutional unless A COURT SAYS IT and they are hoping the law suits against the FOID system will help us in the not to distant future. They were neutral because there is no final bill yet and they want to be able to have input in the final proposal which may pass tomorrow.They don't have the votes in the Senate to pass HB1091 because of the fingerprint mandate. That's why it's been held in the House. They are filing neutral witness slips on actual bills, HB562 being the one in committee tomorrow and on the House concurrence calendar. They've gone out on this limb alone. They have no support from anyone but the anti-gun groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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