mauserme Posted March 25, 2021 at 07:15 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 07:15 PM This bill, by the way, is already at 2nd reading and may be moved to 3rd reading today. It's the same old shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted March 25, 2021 at 07:52 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 07:52 PM Illinois: garbage in - garbage out The way they keep expanding and altering the FOID, the more it becomes apparent that our 2nd amendment rights are no longer a right, but a privilege granted by government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onytay Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:06 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:06 PM Is the ISRA supporting this bill, or is this their way of informing membership that they know it is going to pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:22 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:22 PM IllinoisCarry opposes the bill in its current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:23 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:23 PM That’s it That’s what all the fuss is over There’s 24 hours some of us will never get back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:26 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:26 PM That’s it That’s what all the fuss is over There’s 24 hours some of us will never get back! It's so huge that none of us can comprehend how huge it is. I must be in shock. It's the only explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:40 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 08:40 PM If I understand this correctly, they're doing away with the renewal requirement, but will have an automatic FTIP inquiry, could someone explain how that works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted March 25, 2021 at 09:25 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 09:25 PM Regarding the automatic FOID renewal.....Why pay for the electronic fingerprints....then pay to have the background check done on the electronic fingerprints....when you can get the (unconstitutional) FOID card renewed for only 10 bucks every 10 years anyway? There's a point in life where you're not going to get your money's worth. I have reached that point, and probably did some time ago. Furthermore...Why should the law abiding gun owners of this state have to pay more to get relief from a mess of the state's own making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:02 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:02 PM Am I just misunderstanding something here? While I agree the FOID is an "infringement" (thus "garbage"), there are several points in this bill that SEEM to be fairly decent. To wit:Automatic FOID Card Renewals: ISP by rule will establish automatic renewals for people that have voluntarily supplied fingerprints to ISP through the FOID Act or Conceal Carry ActOnly one fee can be charged for the fingerprint background checkFee presently charged for CCL check. Idea here is to not get charged twice.FOID Card administrative changes:If a person’s FOID card expires and they have a valid CCL then the FOID card shall remain valid while the CCL is validISP may automatically renew a FOID card if it expires while the person has a valid CCLNo longer have expiration dates on the FOID cards ?? (not sure I like this idea)Automatic renewal with an FTIP inquiryPeople may opt into email notifications from ISP rather than regular mailAllows for a suspension of a FOID card for a protective order instead of a revocation. Language added that ISP must reinstate upon the dismissal of the protective order.Allows for the cancellation of a FOID card instead of a revocation for those people that no longer qualify for a FOID. This is typical of a person moving out of state.Upon approval of a CCL, a person’s FOID card is automatically renewed for an additional 10 years from the CCL dateIf a person has been approved for a FOID card and a CCL then ISP shall by rule create one card that would replace both FOID and CCL cardsISP may implement an electronic FOID and CCL card ??(What will they do, implant a chip in our hands??)I also didn't like the proposal that DNR loses their funding from the FOID fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockboyy Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:12 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:12 PM it appears to be more ways to tighten the infringement of an already over regulated right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:25 PM Share Posted March 25, 2021 at 10:25 PM I did not give my fingerprints when I registered to vote.I did not pay for a renewal of my voter's registration card.When I moved, I committed no crime by not re-registering for a new voter's registration card.After a few months, the authorities caught up with me and sent a new card to my new address. Then there's the FOID... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted March 26, 2021 at 10:51 AM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 10:51 AM So I'm guessing the proposed bill was the big announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 26, 2021 at 11:32 AM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 11:32 AM So I'm guessing the proposed bill was the big announcement?One would have to actually ask the OP who hasn’t been back after getting the hopes and dreams of every FOID card holder in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcstoner Posted March 26, 2021 at 11:55 AM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 11:55 AM They want to go to Rap Back. Anytime anyone gets arrest prints done, ISP will be notified. CJIS Noncriminal Rap Back Service — FBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcstoner Posted March 26, 2021 at 12:03 PM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 12:03 PM It is continual vetting. They can have no expiration dates on FOIDS and could revoke them when the person gets flagged through Rap Back. This would immediately notify ISP even if arrested and fingerprinted in another state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 26, 2021 at 01:58 PM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 01:58 PM The automatic renewal and FTIP inquiry are what I'm after. I agree, the FOID is trash, but part of that stems from the renewal requirement. If they did away with the renewal requirement, I could live with that. Additionally, they could solve alot of headache, by strictly making the FOID a permit for purchase and not possession. I hate this state sometimes. If the FOID cards no longer have expiration dates, does this mean they're going to get rid of the renewal requirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted March 26, 2021 at 04:05 PM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 04:05 PM Fingerprints for FOID? Still a no on that. As long as it remains optional and not onerous restrictions by not providing. Dont care for a combined card. The person Im buying ammo from has no reason to know I also have a CCL. A lot of auto renewal items that sound good in theory, but needs better clarifications. I expect them to still go after shorter terms and/or higher fees. They already are charging credit card "convenience" fees. Is this more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted March 26, 2021 at 04:31 PM Share Posted March 26, 2021 at 04:31 PM I worry that, should this become law, it will moot the cases pending against the FOID Act. The timing would have been better if those had played out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted March 27, 2021 at 12:54 AM Share Posted March 27, 2021 at 12:54 AM To me it still is like trying to pick up a piece of canine excrement by the clean end! Not possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted March 27, 2021 at 01:07 AM Share Posted March 27, 2021 at 01:07 AM So I'm guessing the proposed bill was the big announcement?One would have to actually ask the OP who hasn’t been back after getting the hopes and dreams of every FOID card holder in Illinois. Since the OP said that the announcement would be in the ISRA Thursday Bulletin, that would have to be the famous announcement. I liked to the bulletin in #14. Others have posted the FOID specific parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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