mauserme Posted March 20, 2021 at 01:20 PM Share Posted March 20, 2021 at 01:20 PM http://altondailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=17&id=321133#.YFX1K0vsfIU ISP Director: FOID Card Delays "Unacceptable"WBGZ Radio 3/20/2021 |By Greg Bishop - Illinois Radio NetworkIllinois state lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say something has to be done about the backlog of Firearm Owner Identification cards. They differ on the solution.Illinois State Police Director Brendan Kelly says the backlog of gun owner licenses is “absolutely unacceptable” and the department is doing what they can.State police data shows new FOID applications are taking an average of nearly 120 days, when it’s only supposed to take weeks. The backlog has, at times, exceeded 100,000....Thursday in Springfield, Kelly said the delays are “absolutely unacceptable.”“And they can’t be tolerated,” Kelly said. “These are important legal issues. These are important public safety issues. And, we have to get to a system that is easy and simple and straightforward for the good guys and very hard for the bad guys to get a gun.”...State Rep. Dan Caulkins, R-Decatur, said the Democratic Majority doesn’t get it. It’s going to take the courts.“We did this once on concealed carry and it didn’t go [Democrats’] way,” Caulkins said.Illinois was the last state to have a prohibition on carrying firearms outside the home when it passed concealed carry in 2013. That was prompted by a Second Amendment challenge that went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.“I hope that [Democrats] would see the handwriting on the wall, come around to the realization that this process isn’t working and we need to refine it, or we really need to get rid of the FOID card,” Caulkins said.There are more than a dozen lawsuits against the state’s gun licensing scheme working through the courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 20, 2021 at 02:20 PM Share Posted March 20, 2021 at 02:20 PM It would almost seem that this backlog and huge timelines on getting a FOID and at time a CCL is what might be needed for what has been tried for years. Not so much the CCL but the FOID card has been a sticky thorn in everyone’s side for years.With the current times and the lawsuits winding though the system the Director is right, something needs to be done and done now. As they say, strike while the iron is hot. Here’s to hoping that the Republicans will or can get up and into making this mess go away. As in cancel the FOID! The more they hand out reports about this issue the more we can realize that they have their hands full and are actually looking for some help/relief.Here’s to keeping our fingers crossed........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted March 20, 2021 at 06:06 PM Share Posted March 20, 2021 at 06:06 PM Had friends that moved out of Illinois to Wisconsin at the start of the year tell me that they applied for their Wisconsin CCL and were both approved in less than 5 days. Whats worse Fee is $40 for 5 years and renewal after that is $22 for every 5 years. One of them received their card in 7 days. This state is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 20, 2021 at 06:34 PM Share Posted March 20, 2021 at 06:34 PM "And they can’t be tolerated,” Kelly said. Yet he and everyone else involved have been 'tolerating' them this entire time, heck to be blunt the delays have been 'tollerated' for decades! The only reason they care now is that there are so many cases in the courts and the delays have grown so long there is the very real possibility that a court is going to slap them (or the law) upside the head as a civil rights violation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted March 20, 2021 at 10:47 PM Share Posted March 20, 2021 at 10:47 PM "And they can’t be tolerated,” Kelly said. Yet he and everyone else involved have been 'tolerating' them this entire time, heck to be blunt the delays have been 'tollerated' for decades! The only reason they care now is that there are so many cases in the courts and the delays have grown so long there is the very real possibility that a court is going to slap them (or the law) upside the head as a civil rights violation!We can only pray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 21, 2021 at 01:00 AM Share Posted March 21, 2021 at 01:00 AM Let's be careful what we wish for. Director Kelly's comments are also fuel for whatever Fix the FOID nonsense that is certain to be proposed again, if it hasn't been already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCC Posted March 21, 2021 at 01:57 AM Share Posted March 21, 2021 at 01:57 AM Talk is cheap....when's the last time a FOID has bee issued according to the legal time limit ??Illinois sucks sooooooo bad....don't see that ever changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 21, 2021 at 02:45 AM Share Posted March 21, 2021 at 02:45 AM Talk is cheap....when's the last time a FOID has bee issued according to the legal time limit ??Illinois sucks sooooooo bad....don't see that ever changing.November of 2019, maybe later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 21, 2021 at 10:45 AM Share Posted March 21, 2021 at 10:45 AM I somehow got mine in just over 30 days last summer. But then I made a pain out of myself lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 22, 2021 at 12:19 AM Share Posted March 22, 2021 at 12:19 AM Unless they remove the renewal requirement, it's the same old tricks and pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felixd Posted March 22, 2021 at 02:11 PM Share Posted March 22, 2021 at 02:11 PM The FOID process hasn’t worked since it’s inception 53 years ago. It has grown to be a long and continuing impediment to the exercise of a civil right. The fact that the state cannot meet it legal requirements and suspends elements of law as it sees fit is testimony that the law is useless and needs elimination. It’s time to get ride of the “permission slip” mentality that permeates government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted March 22, 2021 at 03:35 PM Share Posted March 22, 2021 at 03:35 PM The state and Chicago in particular are pretty good about "forgiving" certain classes of fines. Where's the love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted March 22, 2021 at 03:53 PM Share Posted March 22, 2021 at 03:53 PM We all KNOW what the state is doing with the foid and ccl is "unacceptable"! The question is, what is being done about it besides flapping their worthless gums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCraig Posted March 23, 2021 at 02:38 AM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 02:38 AM I somehow got mine in just over 30 days last summer. But then I made a pain out of myself lol.Teach me! I've contacted just about everyone who would listen & I'm at 200 days tomorrow!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 23, 2021 at 04:25 AM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 04:25 AM If memory serves, it had to do with the fact they open at 8:30 am. Call at like 8:27. I think I pretended not to have internet and not to know my application number. It seems like there was an option to get help but they may have removed it. I think it was option 3. The last I checked the recording was gone but it still worked. But as I recall by calling at 8:27 I could hang out in their system and at 8:30 hit the option to get a rep. I basically told the person I was just following up since their site said 30 days and I’d never owned a gun in Illinois before. By that night it went active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noreaster Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:04 AM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:04 AM FWIW mine was approved in under 60 days, might have been closer to 45 days even, I applied mid-March 2020. Seems I got lucky. Should have bought a lottery ticket that day. Why does it take so much longer for some than others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 23, 2021 at 12:27 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 12:27 PM LOL. I was told that I should play lottery to get foid that quick, then had instant approval for my first purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveIL Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:04 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:04 PM Seems at this point, a state ID or Drivers License number could serve the same task as a FOID number, then the ISP only has to focus on the CCL. Sure would get rid of that backlog.. oh yeah thats HB150. Nah, Illinois will keep it's antiquated FOID, just to extract dollars from people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:06 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:06 PM The drivers license would make sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdan Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:47 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 09:47 PM Now that the ATF has recognized a Concealed Carry as a background check for firearm purchases ( in South Dakota) I have an idea. Lets do the same for Illinois and let the CCL license replace the Foid for instant background check and not require the 72 cooling off period Illinois require for gun purchases, for CCL holders. They may have one on their hip as they fill out the paper work so it it pointless. Now you have eliminated the FOID card for close to 400,000 folks and given them the ability to purchase and receive a firearm instantly, as it is in most other states. At the very least the ISP could do away with the NICS portion of the approval process. One card, one renewal, and streamlined approval process. Seem like a winner to me and much more efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 23, 2021 at 10:00 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 10:00 PM For Mr. Kelly to declare that it is "Unacceptable" would be laugh out loud funny if he wasn't in charge of the processing. What did he do, walk into the office after a 12 year vacation, hang his coat on the hook, pour some coffee and pick up the backlog off his desk with a look of utter astonishment?That, as my son would say, is cringey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted March 23, 2021 at 10:19 PM Share Posted March 23, 2021 at 10:19 PM For Mr. Kelly to declare that it is "Unacceptable" would be laugh out loud funny if he wasn't in charge of the processing. What did he do, walk into the office after a 12 year vacation, hang his coat on the hook, pour some coffee and pick up the backlog off his desk with a look of utter astonishment?That, as my son would say, is cringey. Probably looks at his lawn after never having mowed it for years an stands there yelling "UNACCEPTABLE!!" at a clump of weeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted March 24, 2021 at 07:45 PM Share Posted March 24, 2021 at 07:45 PM How much worse would Chicago's homicide rate be without the FOID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 24, 2021 at 08:40 PM Share Posted March 24, 2021 at 08:40 PM How much worse would Chicago's homicide rate be without the FOID? I seem to recall Willis saying during a debate once that a FOID was required to commit murder in Illinois. James Bond has to be a member of MI-6 to get a license to kill. Illinois residents just need a FOID.... Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Nothing in this message constitutes legal advice. If you believe anything Rep. Willis asserts, you deserve whatever fate you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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