Porter Posted March 17, 2021 at 07:49 PM Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 07:49 PM I searched, but everything I found was 5 or more years old. What is the current legal situation with being able to have an actual antique muzzle loader (1840s to 1860s period) shipped directly to ones home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:00 PM Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:00 PM IANAL and no doubt someone will be along with a precise answer and reference. I dont think any laws have changed. My understanding was that in IL, muzzle loaders are treated as firearms and must go through an FFL. It may depend if there is a retail presence in the state. Not sure impact, if any, holding a C&R license may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:10 PM Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:10 PM I didnt know of modern replica muzzle loaders were any different than actual antique muzzle loaders in that regard. i dont have a C&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:15 PM Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:15 PM ... "Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding, however: ... (4) an antique firearm (other than a machine-gun) which, although designed as a weapon, the Department of State Police finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon. ... So it's left up to the ISP to decide if an antique is antique enough to be an antique. If it is, only federal law applies, no state laws (i.e., FOID). IANAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:22 PM Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 08:22 PM https://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/020012300000100R.html JCAR definition "Antique firearm" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in 18 USC 921(a)(16), i.e.: any firearm, including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, manufactured in or before 1898; or any replica of any firearm described in the previous paragraph if the replica: is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol that is designed to use black powder or a black powder substitute and that cannot use fixed ammunition. The term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon that incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm that is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock or any combination of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted March 17, 2021 at 09:52 PM Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 at 09:52 PM My understanding was that in IL, muzzle loaders are treated as firearms and must go through an FFL. It may depend if there is a retail presence in the state. https://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/admincode/020/020012300000100R.html JCAR definition "Antique firearm" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in 18 USC 921(a)(16), i.e.: any firearm, including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, manufactured in or before 1898; or any replica of any firearm described in the previous paragraph if the replica: is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol that is The term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon that incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm that is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock or any combination of these I have seen most of this mentioned in the various posts above, yet the exceptions seem to not hold, it seems common practice (and mentioned on various dealer websites) that modern made muzzle loaders have to be shipped to and papered out like modern firearms, even though they appear to meet the exceptions mentioned in the various texts about Illinois law. Having read all that, and noting the common use of the law, Im still not clear on the actual legal status of muzzle loading and/or actual antique (non?) firearms. Does a 150 year old antique muzzle loader have to be shipped to an FFL dealer and papered like a modern firearm in Illinois or can it be shipped directly to an individual like in most of the rest of the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted March 29, 2021 at 01:18 PM Share Posted March 29, 2021 at 01:18 PM "the Department of State Police finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon." Did the JCAR "Antique firearm" definition come from the ISP thus fullfilling the above statute ? Or does the ISP have a different definition or list some place else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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