102nd General Assembly Bills

[JTHunter]

On 2/18/2022 at 9:20 AM, ragsbo said:

But that 30/30 and .243- which are common deer hunting calibers in sane states, are NOT allowed. Makes NO SENSE at all. Just playing like they are doing something when they really are not

 

I agree !  I have a scoped .243 that is set up for a 200 yd. zero with my reloads.

[Scotty425]

On 2/18/2022 at 2:23 PM, JTHunter said:

 

I agree !  I have a scoped .243 that is set up for a 200 yd. zero with my reloads.

And where I hunt, my model 94 .30-30 would be perfect.

[ragsbo]

In the March 11 issue of Illinois Outdoor News newspaper it is stated that they have perverted the bill even further to only allow single shot rifles of their perverted calibers. Keep getting worse all the time.

[Euler]

On 3/14/2022 at 4:32 PM, ragsbo said:

In the March 11 issue of Illinois Outdoor News newspaper it is stated that they have perverted the bill even further to only allow single shot rifles of their perverted calibers. Keep getting worse all the time.

 

As noted above:

 

On 2/17/2022 at 11:18 PM, Euler said:

The way the bill is worded, I interpret it to allow (in addition to handgun rounds)

• any straight-walled rifle cartridge or limited-length, bottlenecked rifle cartridge
• of at least .30 caliber with a muzzle energy of at least 500 ft-lbs
• in a single-shot, centerfire rifle

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[mauserme]

I added HB5731 Unserialized Firearms to our oppose list this morning.  It was filed late yesterday.

 

Synopsis As Introduced

Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that it is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess, transport, or receive an unfinished frame or receiver, unless: (1) the party possessing or receiving the unfinished frame or receiver is a federal firearms importer or federal firearms manufacturer or the unfinished frame or receiver is possessed or transported by a person for transfer to a federal firearms importer or federal firearms manufacturer; or (2) the unfinished frame or receiver is required by federal law to be, and has been, imprinted with a serial number issued by a federal firearms importer or federal firearms manufacturer. Provides that it is unlawful for any person to knowingly sell, offer to sell, transfer, or purchase an unfinished frame or receiver, unless: (1) the party purchasing or receiving the unfinished frame or receiver is a federal firearms importer, federal firearms manufacturer, or federal firearms dealer; or (2) the unfinished frame or receiver is required by federal law to be, and has been, imprinted with a serial number issued by a federal firearms importer or federal firearms manufacturer. Provides for various violations concerning using a three-dimensional printer or similar device to manufacture or produce a firearm, firearm receiver, or major firearm component when not licensed as a federal firearms manufacturer or distributing by any means, including the Internet, to a person who is not licensed as a manufacturer, instructions in the form of computer-aided design files or other code or instructions stored and displayed in electronic format as a digital model that may be used to program a three-dimensional printer to manufacture or produce a firearm, firearm receiver or major component of a firearm. Provides exceptions. Provides that a first violation is a Class A misdemeanor and that a second or subsequent violation is a Class 3 felony. Adds a severability provision. Effective immediately.

 

 

[mauserme]

Senate Amendment 1 has been filed on HB4383 Utilities Certified Mail today.  It's been added to our oppose list.

 

Replaces everything after the enacting clause. Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that 180 days after the effective date of the amendatory Act, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly sell, offer to sell, or transfer an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or unserialized firearm, including those produced using a three-dimensional printer, unless the party purchasing or receiving the unfinished frame or receiver or unserialized firearm is a federal firearms importer, federal firearms manufacturer, or federal firearms dealer. Provides that any person who possesses or comes into possession of an unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or an unserialized firearm shall, within 30 days after the effective date of the amendatory Act or within 30 days after taking possession, ensure that the unserialized unfinished frame or receiver or the unserialized firearm is imprinted with a serial number by: a federal firearms manufacturer, federal firearms dealer, or other federal licensee authorized to provide marking service in compliance with unserialized firearm serialization process under this provision; or by a federal firearms importer or federal firearms manufacturer in compliance with all federal laws and regulations regulating the manufacture and import of firearms. Provides exemptions and establishes penalties for violations.

[mauserme]

For those following it, SB4386 Wildlife Cd- Rifle - Deer Hunting passed out of the Senate today.   It will be sent to the Governor and, assuming he signs it, it will be law.

[Ranger]

Looking at the actual bill language

https://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=110&GA=102&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=4386&GAID=16&LegID=137698&SpecSess=&Session=

I wonder if a person could make a plug for either the rifle magazine or lever action tube that prevents any rounds from being loaded and still be legal.  I've heard of people doing something like that with AR pistols previously.

Either way, this is a long way from perfect; but it definitely is a big step in the right direction.

11		(520 ILCS 5/1.2bb new)
12		Sec. 1.2bb. Single shot. "Single shot" means a gun that is
13		either manufactured or modified to only be capable of holding
14		a total of one round in the magazine and chamber combined.
15		"Single shot" does not include: (a) a rifle in the possession
16		of a person who is also in possession of or in close proximity
17		to a magazine that would allow the rifle to be capable of
18		holding more than one round or (b) a revolver. A gun shall be
19		considered single shot if there is no magazine in the
20		possession of or in close proximity to a hunter in the field
21		and the gun can only hold a total of one round.

[mauserme]

i believe that would be consistent with the legislative intent.

[SiliconSorcerer]

How do they prove knowingly? 

Is the state going to buy these currently legal products or force people to lose their investment? 

Can they ban old green vega's and not compensate people that own them? 

 

 

[blom]

On 4/8/2022 at 10:26 AM, Ranger said:

Looking at the actual bill language

https://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=110&GA=102&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=4386&GAID=16&LegID=137698&SpecSess=&Session=

I wonder if a person could make a plug for either the rifle magazine or lever action tube that prevents any rounds from being loaded and still be legal.  I've heard of people doing something like that with AR pistols previously.

Either way, this is a long way from perfect; but it definitely is a big step in the right direction.

11		(520 ILCS 5/1.2bb new)
12		Sec. 1.2bb. Single shot. "Single shot" means a gun that is
13		either manufactured or modified to only be capable of holding
14		a total of one round in the magazine and chamber combined.
15		"Single shot" does not include: (a) a rifle in the possession
16		of a person who is also in possession of or in close proximity
17		to a magazine that would allow the rifle to be capable of
18		holding more than one round or (b) a revolver. A gun shall be
19		considered single shot if there is no magazine in the
20		possession of or in close proximity to a hunter in the field
21		and the gun can only hold a total of one round.

So does that mean you could use a single shot sled as long as you don't have a magazine with you?

[Ranger]

I believe so.  If you can buy or make one for your rifle.

 

https://www.eabco.net/Bob-Sled_c_3677.html

[Lou]

On 4/10/2022 at 7:22 AM, Ranger said:

I believe so.  If you can buy or make one for your rifle.

 

https://www.eabco.net/Bob-Sled_c_3677.html

That’s a lot of money for something you can probably make yourself by blocking the mag of your AR with a piece of wood and severely shortening a spring.   It might take a bit of trial and error but not too much talent. 

[Euler]

I suspect a 1-round magazine like those wouldn't qualify. The requirement is "capable of holding a total of one round in the magazine and chamber combined." Those make a firearm capable of holding 2 rounds, 1 in the chamber and another in the magazine. Plus, a 1-round magazine is still a magazine.

[davel501]

On 4/10/2022 at 5:59 PM, Euler said:

I suspect a 1-round magazine like those wouldn't qualify. The requirement is "capable of holding a total of one round in the magazine and chamber combined." Those make a firearm capable of holding 2 rounds, 1 in the chamber and another in the magazine. Plus, a 1-round magazine is still a magazine.

 

Just take the cheapest magazine you can find and glue the follower to the top. Probably cost all of $10.

[mab22]

On 4/10/2022 at 8:39 PM, davel501 said:

 

Just take the cheapest magazine you can find and glue the follower to the top. Probably cost all of $10.

You might be better taking that $10 and donating it to an organization that is willing to take this to court somehow.

 

They eliminated semi auto, pump, and double barrel shotguns, any rifle that has a magazine, (so you have to leave the magazine at home, not in the car so they can't call that "close" proximity), tube fed magazine like lever action rifles, bolt action rifles with a magazine in it, Semi auto pistols.

 

They just set everyone back to your grand pappy's breach loading single shot shotgun. If y'all get ***** about it they will make you go to a muzzle loader, nothing preventing them from doing that rite?

 

[Euler]

On 5/11/2022 at 11:23 AM, mab22 said:

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They eliminated semi auto, pump, and double barrel shotguns, any rifle that has a magazine, (so you have to leave the magazine at home, not in the car so they can't call that "close" proximity), tube fed magazine like lever action rifles, bolt action rifles with a magazine in it, Semi auto pistols.

...

 

It only eliminated semi-auto pistols, multi-shot derringers, and pistols with internal magazines (e.g., Henry mare's leg). (I'm not sure anyone was hunting deer with derringers, anyway.) It did not eliminate any shotguns. It added centerfire rifles, which were previously entirely prohibited, but added them only with conditions that are comparable to those in other states. It also clarified that rimfire rifles are prohibited.

 

One of the conditions on centerfire rifles is that both semi-autos and bolt-actions are allowed as long as a magazine is nowhere nearby. (So rifles with internal magazines are not allowed. I find it ironic that semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines are considered "good" in this context.) Semi-auto pistols didn't get the same condition, although I think not getting the same condition might have saved lots of extractors from undue breakage.

[mab22]

On 5/11/2022 at 4:37 PM, Euler said:

One of the conditions on centerfire rifles is that both semi-autos and bolt-actions are allowed as long as a magazine is nowhere nearby. (So rifles with internal magazines are not allowed. I find it ironic that semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines are considered "good" in this context.)

 

How can it not eliminate various shotguns when the shotguns are tube fed, same as a magazine, in semi and pump shotguns, a side by side or over under shotgun has 2 barrels which is more than 1 shot?

 

I'm sure it will render some bolt action rifles in-operable as trying to load them without a magazine preventing the cartridge from falling out is a challenge.

 

The state is also mandating that you are now required to operate the the semi-automatic rifle in a manor that is not consistent with the initial design creating some safety issues for the operator and potentially those around the operator. 

 

[Euler]

On 5/12/2022 at 12:17 AM, mab22 said:

How can it not eliminate various shotguns when the shotguns are tube fed, same as a magazine, in semi and pump shotguns, a side by side or over under shotgun has 2 barrels which is more than 1 shot?

...

 

I'm not sure why you think there is a blanket restriction on tube magazines. The language of the law is as follows:

 

520 ILCS 5 (amended) said:

Sec. 2.25. It shall be unlawful for any person to take deer except ... with a shotgun, handgun, single shot centerfire rifle, or muzzleloading rifle .... For the purposes of this Section, legal handguns and rifles are limited to include any centerfire handguns that are either a single shot or revolver and centerfire rifles that are single shot. ...

...

Sec. 2.33. Prohibitions.

...

(oo) It is unlawful while deer hunting:

(1) to possess or be in close proximity to a rifle that is not centerfire; or

(2) be in possession of or in close proximity to a magazine that is capable of making a rifle not a single shot.

 

The law is completely unchanged regarding shotguns.

[mauserme]

I'm catching up on some overdue updates today, including new 2022 Special & Veto Session bill lists.  As of this writing, the new lists include:

 

 

Good House Bills & Resolutions

 

HR598 SAFE-T Act – Urges Repeal
 

 

Bad House Bills & Resolutions

HB2541 Order Protect - Gun Restrictions

 

HA1 to HB2541

 

HA2 to HB2541
 

HB2769 Safety - Tech
 

HA1 to HB2769 - Adopted

 

HA2 to HB2769 - Adopted

 

HA3 to HB2769 - Approved for Consideration

 

HA4 to HB2769

 

HB3222 Crim Cd - Assault Weapon Registry
 

HB5374 Firearms Restraining Order

 

HB5380 FOID – Ammunition – Motion to Table Filed (Motion Withdrawn)

 

HB5522 Crim Cd – Assault Weapons Ban

 

HB5535 Firearms Violations

 

HA1 to HB5535

 

HB5766 FOID – Harm to Self or Others

 

Questionable/Neutral House Bills & Resolutions (Shell Bills Omitted)

HB3173 Sch Cd - Gun Safety Course - Passed House 4/22/2021 (Neutral with adoption of SA1)

 

SA1 to HB3173 - Adopted

 

SA2 to HB3173 – Pending

 

SA3 to HB3173 - Pending

 

HB5716 $Crim Justice Info Auth - Aurora
 

HB5764 ICJIA – Laser Sight Program

 

 

Bad Senate Bills & Resolutions

 

SB2510 Crim Cd - Assault Weapon Ban

 

 

 

[mauserme]

HB5769 FOID Consent – Accountable was filed yesterday by anti-gun west suburban Republican Mark Batinik.  I've added it to the list of bills we oppose:

 

 

Synopsis As Introduced

Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that the parent or legal guardian that consents to an applicant under the age of 21 for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card possessing and acquiring firearms and firearm ammunition shall be liable for any damages resulting from the applicant's use of firearms or firearm ammunition and may be held accountable under the Parties to Crime Article of the Criminal Code of 2012 for any criminal offenses resulting from the applicant's use of firearms or firearm ammunition.

 

 

[mauserme]

I added HJR97 Mourns – Highland Park Victims to our list today:

 

Synopsis As Introduced
Mourns the lives lost at the hands of gunfire in the City of Highland Park on July 4, 2022 and all those around the State of Illinois who have been lost to gun violence and recognizes the surviving families that live with the trauma of their losses. Remembers the lives of Katherine Goldstein, Irina McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy, Stephen Straus, Jacqueline Sundheim, Nicholas Toledo-Zaragoza, and Eduardo Uvaldo. Honors the City of Highland Park and its law enforcement, first responders, and community leaders for their service to the people of Illinois. Urges leaders to continue to do everything in their power to ensure no other community experiences the trauma of gun violence.

 

 

[mauserme]

I added some appointments today that were mentioned in press releases dated 10/3/2022 and 10/14/2022.  Appointment messages are not filed yet so there are no links as I post these:

 

Pending Filling of Appointment Message – Appoint Ralph Reno III (License Review Board)

 

Pending Filling of Appointment Message – Appoint Erin Alexander (FOID Review Board)

 

Pending Filling of Appointment Message – Appoint Ramon Moore (FOID Review Board)

 

 

 

[mauserme]

Rep Stoneback filed HB5859 Firearm - Restraining Orders today:

 

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Open Meetings Act. Provides that a public body may hold a closed meeting to consider specified actions to respond to an actual, a threatened, or a reasonably potential danger to the safety of employees, students, staff, the public, or public property. Amends the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code to require a physician, clinical psychologist, or qualified examiner to determine whether to file an action under the Firearms Restraining Order Act under specified circumstances, and amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to make a corresponding change. Amends the Firearms Restraining Order Act. Provides that a petitioner may request a one-year (rather than 6-month) firearms restraining order, and makes conforming changes throughout the Act. Provides that the Illinois State Police may disseminate educational brochures containing information regarding firearms restraining orders created by the Attorney General's office and other materials concerning firearms restraining orders created by the Department of Public Health to any law enforcement agency in the State, who may in turn disseminate the brochure to persons as the law enforcement agency determines. Subject to appropriation, establishes the Office of Firearms Restraining Order Coordination within the Department of Human Services. Provides that a lawful owner of a firearm may not knowingly, recklessly, or negligently allow the subject of a firearms restraining order to access the firearms of the lawful owner, and that the court may award a person aggrieved by such a violation actual and punitive damages, as well as attorney's fees and other costs. Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Provides that the driver's license shall be suspended and the motor vehicle registration shall not be renewed until a person fully complies with an order to surrender firearms. Amends various other Acts to make conforming and other changes. Effective immediately.

 

 

 

[ragsbo]

Just more smoke and mirrors.

They reason they did what they did with the rifles for deer hunting is so they can "claim" they allow rifles but by putting so many restrictions on it that it would be near impossible to meet.

They also know that what they want with the "assault" crapola will die in court but they want to screw us all over for as long and in as many ways as they can while we have to fight it.

I am so sick and tired of these maggots pukes

[steveTA84]

On 12/13/2022 at 11:34 AM, mauserme said:

Rep Stoneback filed HB5859 Firearm - Restraining Orders today:

 

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Open Meetings Act. Provides that a public body may hold a closed meeting to consider specified actions to respond to an actual, a threatened, or a reasonably potential danger to the safety of employees, students, staff, the public, or public property. Amends the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Code to require a physician, clinical psychologist, or qualified examiner to determine whether to file an action under the Firearms Restraining Order Act under specified circumstances, and amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to make a corresponding change. Amends the Firearms Restraining Order Act. Provides that a petitioner may request a one-year (rather than 6-month) firearms restraining order, and makes conforming changes throughout the Act. Provides that the Illinois State Police may disseminate educational brochures containing information regarding firearms restraining orders created by the Attorney General's office and other materials concerning firearms restraining orders created by the Department of Public Health to any law enforcement agency in the State, who may in turn disseminate the brochure to persons as the law enforcement agency determines. Subject to appropriation, establishes the Office of Firearms Restraining Order Coordination within the Department of Human Services. Provides that a lawful owner of a firearm may not knowingly, recklessly, or negligently allow the subject of a firearms restraining order to access the firearms of the lawful owner, and that the court may award a person aggrieved by such a violation actual and punitive damages, as well as attorney's fees and other costs. Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Provides that the driver's license shall be suspended and the motor vehicle registration shall not be renewed until a person fully complies with an order to surrender firearms. Amends various other Acts to make conforming and other changes. Effective immediately.

 

 

 

This is almost laughable on how unconstitutional this bill is. Let’s not even get into the drivers license part....

[Rangerdeepv]

The Dum0craps play the long game with these types of bills. Bait and switch, make them so ridiculous that after all the banter there is actually a bill that reads not so ridiculous, gut the original and fill with something totally unrelated to the title, blatantly violate Illinois state constitution and a whole host of other 'tricks'. Madigan did keep some of the more crazy bills off the docket but without his crooked arse in the Speaker's chair we have a rubber stamp. 

[mikew]

Denyse's last gasp in the ILGA.

 

On 12/13/2022 at 11:34 AM, mauserme said:

Rep Stoneback filed HB5859 Firearm - Restraining Orders today:

 

[springfield shooter]

On 12/14/2022 at 9:18 AM, mikew said:

Denyse's last gasp in the ILGA.

 

 

 

Well, she's leaving office in a blaze of glory. And giving us an even better look into the totalitarian mindset to boot.

Edited December 14, 2022 at 03:37 PM by springfield shooter

[Lou]

On 12/14/2022 at 9:18 AM, mikew said:

Denyse's last gasp in the ILGA.

 

 

I find this particularly onerous. 
 

Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Provides that the driver's license shall be suspended and the motor vehicle registration shall not be renewed until a person fully complies with an order to surrender firearms. Amends various other Acts to make conforming and other changes. Effective immediately.