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In 2014 my card was revoked bc of a stay at the psych ward. Since it's been over 5 years I tried to apply for a new one but it just tells me my FOID is revoked online, no option to reapply. I called ISP and was told I have to appeal with a letter from the doctor along with other paperwork bc my card's original 10yr expiration isn't until 2022. Other option is to wait the 2 more years and then apply again but she said they could still require the same info. Does this make sense? I thought after 5 years they can't use a mental stay against you? I don't have a psych doc either so I'm not sure if I should get one ASAP to establish a relationship. I guess they won't just give u mental evaluation or what not unless you've been a patient for at least 6 months. Any advice? I don't have any priors and I've never actually owned a gun
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Check these out to see if helpful. Especially the posts by Molly. These discuss the after 5 years and forms needed.

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=75215

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=74284

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=73423

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Katy : I know there are many (most) people on this forum that I am over the top negative on this issue.I believe in telling it like it is.No pie in the sky.You can check out my posts.I went through a similar situation.Went on my own to a hospital for four days in 2013.My card was pulled 3 days after I got home.Ive tried everything & researched this issue since June 2018 when I applied for FOID.Spent $1000.00 on professional evaluation.It went on & on.I have been told by those on the forum that people have recived their foid after the 5 year time was up.No one has come forward to say this.Someone just says "I assure you this is true".If you are some way "Connected" you may make it work.There are many in Illinois who will take your money and tell you. "90 days you will have your foid" Think serious if you really want to put yourself through this.This issue,plus the skyrocketing taxes,crime & other issues.Drove me out of Illinois.After spending a lifetime there.It is corrupt beyond belief.Good luck on whatever you decide

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Katy : Dont feel defeated.Your just getting info.From people like me.You have to find someone who can really help you.Before you take the plunge ! Get all the necessary forms and do your research.Just dont expect miracles.Maybe someone you know has a connection.Illinois is and has been forever,about connections.Ive met people in Illinois who had no business with a foid,but they had a connection.Like I said.I left Illinois for various reasons,but I did work there and make a good living for almost 50 years.Again,Good Luck......Know your enemy :)

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Katy : I know there are many (most) people on this forum that I am over the top negative on this issue.I believe in telling it like it is.No pie in the sky.You can check out my posts.I went through a similar situation.Went on my own to a hospital for four days in 2013.My card was pulled 3 days after I got home.Ive tried everything & researched this issue since June 2018 when I applied for FOID.Spent $1000.00 on professional evaluation.It went on & on.I have been told by those on the forum that people have recived their foid after the 5 year time was up.No one has come forward to say this.Someone just says "I assure you this is true".If you are some way "Connected" you may make it work.There are many in Illinois who will take your money and tell you. "90 days you will have your foid" Think serious if you really want to put yourself through this.This issue,plus the skyrocketing taxes,crime & other issues.Drove me out of Illinois.After spending a lifetime there.It is corrupt beyond belief.Good luck on whatever you decide

This is from a different thread. It documents the process pretty well:

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=47227&page=9&p=1274175&do=findComment&comment=1274175

 

Hi all,

 

I wanted to chime in here on my personal experience with a small timeline.

 

I first had a FOID back in 2010, ended up getting my first firearm that very year and went to the range a few times with some friends, all was well.

2010: Got into a relationship, it went sour quick - nothing physical or anything of the sort, we just argued way too much in ways that deemed it as a very unhealthy relationship (I am male, btw).

(June) 2012: I finally decided to call quits on this relationship - but it took an emotional toll on me, work for me suffered as did school (finishing up college). I had a friend concerned about my well-being and he called the authorities just to do a "wellness check". This long story short, turned out to be self-admitting myself into the local hospital where I was deemed not a threat to myself nor anyone, however.. due to me doing this, my FOID was taken away (I had no idea until after I was discharged about 2-3 days later).

Later that month, I received a letter from ISP instructing me to turn in any firearms and ammunition to my local police station due to not having a FOID on my persons since my hospital admittance; I called ISP and even the person I spoke with, was NOT familiar with the letter they sent me (it must've been new, or something). In either case, I surrendered my firearm that I purchased back in 2010 along with a few boxes of ammo to my local police department, who I showed the letter to, explain the situation and they took everything. I did not sign anything, they simply said they would "take care of it". I then called ISP again and told them I did and also mailed them a copy of the letter they sent me with datestamps on the back indicating what I did to date.

2015: I attempted to apply for a FOID again, I was of course denied, citing that I had to clear 5 years since my release from a health institution, OR I could choose to Appeal which I tried to do at the time (this is before I found IllinoisCarry), and was subsequently denied since I did not see a medical professional to evaluate and sign off.

At this point, I opted to wait until the 5 year mark passed just because work was also taking over my life again along with various other aspects and ventures.

(July) 2019: I attempted to re-apply for the FOID again, this time due to me buying a home and such, I updated my record on the ISP website, it initially said Pending the first day, then the following day it said Denied again, I was curious as to why which was when I joined IllinoisCarry, spoke briefly with Molly B via PMs and then decided to schedule an interview/eval with a qualified examiner in hopes of getting my card and rights restored.

(December) 2019: I had my eval, I cleared and I submitted my paperwork out to ISP right before New Year's Eve.

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2020:

Jan - no updates, my evaluator advised that the FOID revoc appeal process could take 30-60 days, and said that expect to hear nothing until at least February, so I didn't press on anything from ISP.

Feb - end of Feb hits, nothing but I didn't worry too much

Mar - I called ISP, they put me in an auto-dialer list, took my info down, and hung up on me, despite me being clear, polite and precise with my wording - yes, they're clearly undestaffed.

Mar - COVID also happens.. I get a call from ISP towards the end of the month, with zero update on how all was going, they called simply just to ask what I needed... so yes, a waste of time.

Apr - nothing, I still update my evaluator on the process every month just to let him know how it was all going.

May - no movement, go on the ISP again and write a letter to them through a chat-box window that I found and gave them a similar breakdown of what I'm writing here and requested an update on movement and if anything else was required on my end. No response

[End of] June - I get an envelope in the mail from ISP Administration, my updated FOID card (I paid $11 when I initially tried to reapply when moving in 2019) was sent to me and is now (back) in my possession.

 

So long story short, took me 6 months. From mailing in all my paperwork via Certified Mail to their ISP Appeals department, encountering the COVID pandemic, to finally getting my FOID back.

That's not to say everyone follows the same path - only that paths do exist and, every once in a while, someone will share their story with the rest of us.

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If the concern is finding a qualified medical examiner, it should be noted that doesn’t specifically need to be a psychiatrist or psychologist. In most cases your normal doctor meets that definition, if you have one and they are willing to sign it. Not all are willing to do that, but many will.
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MRE I asked the doc I'm currently seeing and she told me a psychologist or psychiatrist would be able to help. I understand where she's coming from since she's only seen me a few times. So I called the psych who saw me at the hospital thinking he would see my file and see how I am now and would be better at evaluating me. Well his office called me back and told me to find a forensic psychiatrist lol like What the hey!!!
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Welcome to the world of appeals.Like I said.I did all my research before I attempted an appeal.Went to top people in the state & spent almost a full day getting my evaluation.Whats the answer ? I dont know.Illinois and I believe Hawaii are the only two states that do this when you seek help on your own.Think of the people who really need help in Illinois.Who do not seek it.For fear of getting their foid pulled.Its criminal.When I moved.I went to our local state police district & explained my issues.No foid was needed.They ran my info for me & I came up clean.A month later I had my conceal carry permit.I waited two years after sending in my appeal to get some movement from isp.

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Just curious.What do you honestly.And I say again "Honestly" feel the chances are.Considering first.The current administration in Illinois,and second.The current atmosphere in some states regarding firearms.We all know that the 100,000 some gangbangers in chicago arent going to turn in there guns.They are the problem,but we pay the price.Where is the logic ? there is none.its just politics.Whats acceptable ? 1 year.2 years 10 years.There are laws.The state breaks the law for whatever reason & its accepted,round and round we go.

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Just curious.What do you honestly.And I say again "Honestly" feel the chances are.Considering first.The current administration in Illinois,and second.The current atmosphere in some states regarding firearms.We all know that the 100,000 some gangbangers in chicago arent going to turn in there guns.They are the problem,but we pay the price.Where is the logic ? there is none.its just politics.Whats acceptable ? 1 year.2 years 10 years.There are laws.The state breaks the law for whatever reason & its accepted,round and round we go.

 

I'm going to try to say this as nicely as I can: You really should try to keep a more positive stance about appeals, whether it's yours or someone else's. Yes it takes a long time. Yes it seems unfair. But disenfranchising someone else about the appeals process with pessimism won't help anybody.

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on one of the forms I would need to fill out there's 2 options to check one of which states "i am requesting relief from the firearm prohibitor" with a space to write something but I don't understand would I would have to write in there? The other option doesn't apply bc I don't have a criminal history or court docs. Anyone know?
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on one of the forms I would need to fill out there's 2 options to check one of which states "i am requesting relief from the firearm prohibitor" with a space to write something but I don't understand would I would have to write in there? The other option doesn't apply bc I don't have a criminal history or court docs. Anyone know?

PM MollyB

Her knowledge of the forms and the ins and outs far exceeds those of others posting here!

She helps many and has great knowledge base of all things appeals.

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