oneshot Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:14 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:14 PM Tom Goldstein - It is striking that the decision is not clouded by ambiguity created by separate opinions. One opinion on each side. sweet
Guest YASLIFF Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM OK it's thrown down. It's time to rock.
Rem870 Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM this is just awesome....im so happy right now!!!! what a exciting moment in history!!!!
lockman Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:15 PM Scotus accepts & SCOTUS AFFIRMS! - Now the details!
Chiburbian Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM 5-4 ill take it!!!! I am surprised it was that close. Or am I reading too much into it?
johnyt101 Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM Scalia could have wrote a narrow or sweeping decision, cant wait to find out!
Kenny Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:16 PM Tom Goldstein - Apologies - there is a second dissenting opinion, but only one majority - no plurality and no concurrences. ?????????????????????????
oneshot Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:17 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:17 PM 5-4 ill take it!!!! I am surprised it was that close. Or am I reading too much into it? about what we expected, down the political divisions.
Pappy353 Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:17 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:17 PM Coach I need some of that O2 Breathe slowly...
johnyt101 Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM The minority had two decenting opinions....
Lou Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM Court: A constitutional right to a gunThursday, June 26th, 2008 10:14 am | Lyle Denniston | Comments Off | Email this • Share on Facebook • Digg This! Answering a 127-year old constitutional question, the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a gun, at least in one’s home. The Court, splitting 5-4, struck down a District of Columbia ban on handgun possession. Justice Antonin Scalia’s opinion for the majority stressed that the Court was not casting doubt on long-standing bans on gun possession by felons or the mentally retarded, or laws barring guns from schools or government buildings, or laws putting conditions on gun sales.
wazzle Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:18 PM 10:14 Tom Goldstein - It is striking that the decision is not clouded by ambiguity created by separate opinions. One opinion on each side.10:16 Tom Goldstein - Apologies - there is a second dissenting opinion, but only one majority - no plurality and no concurrences.
Matt H Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:19 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:19 PM my Smith and wesson stock just jumped 15 cents a share and rising quick at the release of the scotus decision!
oneshot Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM stressed that the Court was not casting doubt on long-standing bans on gun possession
w00dc4ip Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM According to the Fox News Report, the reporter hinted the decision by Scalia was more wide than expected.
Lou Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:21 PM Are you pleased with the decision in Heller? Answer Now Yes ( 86% ) No ( 14% )
Chris Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM Here's a quote The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess afirearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm fortraditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Lou Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLEROpinion of the CourtIn sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgunpossession in the home violates the Second Amendment,as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearmin the home operable for the purpose of immediateself-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualifiedfrom the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the Districtmust permit him to register his handgun and mustissue him a license to carry it in the home.* * *We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in thiscountry, and we take seriously the concerns raised by themany amici who believe that prohibition of handgunownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves theDistrict of Columbia a variety of tools for combating thatproblem, including some measures regulating handguns,see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement ofconstitutional rights necessarily takes certain policychoices off the table. These include the absolute prohibitionof handguns held and used for self-defense in thehome. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendmentis outmoded in a society where our standing army isthe pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forcesprovide personal security, and where gun violence is aserious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what isnot debatable is that it is not the role of this Court topronounce the Second Amendment extinct.We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.It is so ordered.
wazzle Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM IT"S 157 PAGES LONG! It may take a little bit of reading for this, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EnjoyLife Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:26 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:26 PM IT"S 157 PAGES LONG! Almost 100 pages of that is dissenting though. Don't have to read that crap.
TTIN Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:28 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:28 PM Here's a quote The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess afirearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm fortraditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Well with the exception of Crook Co.,that doesn't appear to help much,or am I not seeing the big picture?
EnjoyLife Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:28 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:28 PM In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgunpossession in the home violates the Second Amendment,as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearmin the home operable for the purpose of immediateself-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualifiedfrom the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the Districtmust permit him to register his handgun and mustissue him a license to carry it in the home.* * *We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in thiscountry, and we take seriously the concerns raised by themany amici who believe that prohibition of handgunownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves theDistrict of Columbia a variety of tools for combating thatproblem, including some measures regulating handguns,see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement ofconstitutional rights necessarily takes certain policychoices off the table. These include the absolute prohibitionof handguns held and used for self-defense in thehome. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendmentis outmoded in a society where our standing army isthe pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forcesprovide personal security, and where gun violence is aserious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what isnot debatable is that it is not the role of this Court topronounce the Second Amendment extinct.We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.It is so ordered.
oneshot Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:29 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:29 PM IT"S 157 PAGES LONG! Almost 100 pages of that is dissenting though. Don't have to read that crap. 100 pages of WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Beezil Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:30 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:30 PM 3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied toself-defense) violate the Second Amendment. its right here folks. hello chicago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
johnyt101 Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:31 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:31 PM Im disapointed that scalia admits that certain bans on concealed weapons are probably lawful and they didnt strike down the fact that heller needed a permit to carry in his own home or the registration to own the gun...this could be bad news for us. Unless someone sues to overturn those statutes. Heller never directly challenged the permit system, he just wanted DC to issue him a permit, so that looks like another fight well have to deal with in the future.
oneshot Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:32 PM Posted June 26, 2008 at 02:32 PM Now we can finally stop listening to or engaging in those stupid arguments over semantics and grammar because the Supreme Court of The United States of America has affirmed what we've been saying all along! 1. Operative Clause.a. “Right of the People.” The first salient feature ofthe operative clause is that it codifies a “right of the people.”The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rightsuse the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in theFirst Amendment’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and inthe Fourth Amendment’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. TheNinth Amendment uses very similar terminology (“Theenumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shallnot be construed to deny or disparage others retained bythe people”). All three of these instances unambiguouslyrefer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rightsthat may be exercised only through participation in somecorporate body.5
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