Ricky Two Guns Posted April 3, 2019 at 11:32 PM Share Posted April 3, 2019 at 11:32 PM renewed 1/13/19 "Under review" still.... Exp 2/28/19 Prints submitted with orig app. Carrying for free............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdudez25 Posted April 4, 2019 at 09:05 AM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 09:05 AM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted April 4, 2019 at 09:54 AM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 09:54 AM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooch Posted April 4, 2019 at 01:27 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 01:27 PM got ya all beat.....Submitted 12/15/18.WITH PRINTS! Expired 03/10/19 109 days....under review but honestly who cares at this point, carrying on with copy of law and confirmation email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinson Posted April 4, 2019 at 01:45 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 01:45 PM Can someone please check their status while in a Walmart parking lot so we can get that thread re-started. Thank you. 18 days left in my 90 days and I'm still only Submitted.Submitted 14Jan2019 w old printsExpired 05Mar2019QC Verified 04Apr2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryware Posted April 4, 2019 at 03:21 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 03:21 PM Submitted for renewal on 01/07/19 with prints from original license application. Just went to QC_Verified - 03/21/19 Just went to "approved" today.. 03/27/19 Shows "Active" with a date of 03/28/19 when I checked this morning on 03/29/19 New CCL arrived in the mail today (04/04/19) Says issued in 03/28 (which is when it went active checking the website), expires on 03/28/2024 so I got 30 days of free carry (not really).. Old CCL expired on 02/28/19 The pic on the license is the same one as my DL which I renewed in August 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdudez25 Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:24 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:24 PM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetence Free carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:33 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:33 PM Free carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mail Oh, heck no! Carry on and teach on. Licenses remain active as long as you renewed prior to expiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetence Free carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mail Unless it's different for instructors (some way or another), you're free to "CARRY ON" beyond your expiration so long as you've submitted your renewal pursuant to 430 ILCS 66/70-C A license is invalid upon expiration of the license, unless the licensee has submitted an application to renew the license, and the applicant is otherwise eligible to possess a license under this Act. The above is a clickable link that will bring you directly to the ILGA in the event you'd like to verify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:36 PM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019 If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetenceFree carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mailWhy? If you submitted a renewal application while your CCL was active, you are still valid even if the physical card becomes expired before the new one arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:37 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:37 PM Ninja'd by Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingWalleye Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:48 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 10:48 PM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019 If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetenceFree carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mailHow does an instructor not know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdudez25 Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:19 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:19 PM The same way the people who actually wrote the law cant tell us what "partially concealed" means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:39 PM I can understand that part, a lot of it is up to interpretation until we have case law on some of it. At times it can come down to personal interpretation too, at the LEO level or any other. One example was the officer who just merely pointed out that I was fully exposed while riding my motorcycle. While all he did was point it out so I'd cover it back up, other not so 2A friendly officers may have pulled me over and slammed me to the ground and arrested me for "violating" the "partially concealed" part! Who knows, even though it's been around FIVE years now, it's still "new", as, there's almost no case law on anything within the FCCA... At least that I know of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:41 PM Share Posted April 4, 2019 at 11:41 PM As time goes on, I'm almost sure these "things" WILL be tested, and there will be case law in the future (most likely)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adjc Posted April 5, 2019 at 01:58 AM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 01:58 AM i went active today,applied 12 dec 2018,corrected 10 jan 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdudez25 Posted April 5, 2019 at 03:45 AM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 03:45 AM I can understand that part, a lot of it is up to interpretation until we have case law on some of it. At times it can come down to personal interpretation too, at the LEO level or any other. One example was the officer who just merely pointed out that I was fully exposed while riding my motorcycle. While all he did was point it out so I'd cover it back up, other not so 2A friendly officers may have pulled me over and slammed me to the ground and arrested me for "violating" the "partially concealed" part! Who knows, even though it's been around FIVE years now, it's still "new", as, there's almost no case law on anything within the FCCA... At least that I know of...a few years back I called local LE, SA and ISP to get clarification. They all referred me to the next, citing an inability to offer legal advice....I finally brought it to an attorney that I worked for as an intern, he told me that a judge could deem it "unconstitutionally vague" and order lawmakers to go back to the drawing board and provide clarification themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted April 5, 2019 at 04:20 AM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 04:20 AM I can understand that part, a lot of it is up to interpretation until we have case law on some of it. At times it can come down to personal interpretation too, at the LEO level or any other. One example was the officer who just merely pointed out that I was fully exposed while riding my motorcycle. While all he did was point it out so I'd cover it back up, other not so 2A friendly officers may have pulled me over and slammed me to the ground and arrested me for "violating" the "partially concealed" part! Who knows, even though it's been around FIVE years now, it's still "new", as, there's almost no case law on anything within the FCCA... At least that I know of... a few years back I called local LE, SA and ISP to get clarification. They all referred me to the next, citing an inability to offer legal advice....I finally brought it to an attorney that I worked for as an intern, he told me that a judge could deem it "unconstitutionally vague" and order lawmakers to go back to the drawing board and provide clarification themselves.Typical Democrat Control WANTS you to be a Felon.The more Laws they have that make You a Felon, the more control they (the gov) have over your Life !! If people want gov responsible for them, you Have to give government control !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cola490 Posted April 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM yeah it looks like I'm screwed. Guess I waited too longRenewed 3/12/2019 Exp 04/29/2019 If by screwed you mean screwed into free carry compliments of Illinois' incompetenceFree carry? I'm under the impression that I have to stop carrying AND teaching until I get the new license in the mailI I don’t mean to pile on, but how does a instructor not know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM I can understand. Just like a whole lot of others thought the same thing. An instructor has no where to go for official answers and explanations. We all have to interpret to the best of our ability, share info with each other, sift through all the erroneous info dispensed by the ISP and other "experts". Remember callers to the ISP back before the renewals were told instructors would have to submit a training certificate! I'm glad people come here for answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmannd Posted April 5, 2019 at 12:45 PM Share Posted April 5, 2019 at 12:45 PM Renewed 01/11/2019Expired 02/28/2019Status: Submitted - Under reviewI seem to have gone directly from under review to active. Showing active today. Renewed 01/11/2019Expired 02/28/2019Status: Active 04/05/2019 1.5 Months free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted April 6, 2019 at 01:38 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 01:38 PM there's almost no case law on anything within the FCCA... At least that I know of...No, there isn't. And that's the best part. It completely destroys the "blood in the streets" and "wild west" arguments against carry. The fully or partially concealed part is a vague area and I'm not sure LEOs wanna touch it. I've had my pistol show a few times when I've been carrying with a shoulder rig. No "oh my bleeping lord a gun!" and what have you. If a cop DOES arrest someone for printing, partially concealed, whatever, the arrest will be tossed. The defendant should sue even though he/she will likely lose as courts are seriously deferring to LE and granting MTDs based on qualified immunity for crazy stuff like stealing a defendant's car (welcome to CA9) because the right to not have your car stolen by a cop isn't "clearly established." I thought it was common sense but I'm not a judge (God help the government if I were). Mullenix v. Luna (cop shot and killed driver during high speed chase from an overpass with a high powered rifle) and subsequently White v. Pauly (cops who didn't ID themselves got into a firefight with two brothers and killed one, SCOTUS dumped CA10's denial of QI) don't require a case on point, but seems like circuits are erring on the side of caution and requiring a case directly on point. Qualified immunity needs to go. Now. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDC Posted April 6, 2019 at 02:22 PM Share Posted April 6, 2019 at 02:22 PM Expiration 02/28/19 Renewed 01/09/19 Active 04/01/19 Delivered 04/06/19 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted April 7, 2019 at 04:36 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 04:36 PM renewed 01/07/2019inspect still "under review"expires 04/17/2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanook Posted April 7, 2019 at 04:42 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 04:42 PM I'm at 43 days with prints. Looks like I'm about half way through it reading other's times. A range officer at the ISRA range mentioned that the new governor cut the CCL staff way down which if true accounts for the delay. From like 40 people down to 4 or so. That would definitely put a crimp in their style if that's the case. Probably the exact intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted April 7, 2019 at 05:37 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 05:37 PM I'm at 43 days with prints. Looks like I'm about half way through it reading other's times. A range officer at the ISRA range mentioned that the new governor cut the CCL staff way down which if true accounts for the delay. From like 40 people down to 4 or so. That would definitely put a crimp in their style if that's the case. Probably the exact intention. I find that to be very hard to believe . I would think the slowdown is due to all the renewals coming in at once , plus the new applications being submitted. The above being said , I don't think the FCCL staffing was ever up to standards as compared to what the private sector would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted April 7, 2019 at 06:35 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 06:35 PM Renewed 1/10/19Expired 3/07/19Active 4/02/19 Almost a full month FREE (my Favorite 4-letters word)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanook Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:10 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 07:10 PM I'm at 43 days with prints. Looks like I'm about half way through it reading other's times. A range officer at the ISRA range mentioned that the new governor cut the CCL staff way down which if true accounts for the delay. From like 40 people down to 4 or so. That would definitely put a crimp in their style if that's the case. Probably the exact intention. I find that to be very hard to believe . I would think the slowdown is due to all the renewals coming in at once , plus the new applications being submitted. The above being said , I don't think the FCCL staffing was ever up to standards as compared to what the private sector would be. Yes, I don't know if it's true, but thought it was worth mentioning just in case. We do know the new governor dislikes guns and gun owners, so it would seem likely. I never knew the staffing numbers in Springfield until I heard these numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:00 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:00 PM I'm at 43 days with prints. Looks like I'm about half way through it reading other's times. A range officer at the ISRA range mentioned that the new governor cut the CCL staff way down which if true accounts for the delay. From like 40 people down to 4 or so. That would definitely put a crimp in their style if that's the case. Probably the exact intention. I find that to be very hard to believe . I would think the slowdown is due to all the renewals coming in at once , plus the new applications being submitted. The above being said , I don't think the FCCL staffing was ever up to standards as compared to what the private sector would be. Yes, I don't know if it's true, but thought it was worth mentioning just in case. We do know the new governor dislikes guns and gun owners, so it would seem likely. I never knew the staffing numbers in Springfield until I heard these numbers.There was a recent ISP job posting for a FOID/CCL technician opening...but it was only 1 single position posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adjc Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:57 PM Share Posted April 7, 2019 at 09:57 PM The same way the people who actually wrote the law cant tell us what "partially concealed" means. a meeting a few years ago, of Attorneys General, decided that with the grip being uncovered, constituted concealed. but you may still take the ride... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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