KENDLLB360 Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:40 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:40 PM Hi fellow gun lovers and enthusiast it has been some time since my last visit, but I am back to seek more of your valuable knowledge. I recently purchased a new M&P 40. (I love it)...and would like to know the city of Chicago laws in regards to open carry in chicago. I live in a bad area and many shootings occur from the gangs around. I would like to be able to enjoy sitting in my front porch and loving the weather on my days off work, but don't want to be In fear of being shot at or my wife being shot at and my protection is upstairs on the 2nd floor. My neighbors and landlord are fine with my firearm. But I'd like to know that if police arrive, I know my rights to stand up Asa responsible gun owner and protect my rights to defend my own home and family without the need of police officers arriving after the crime has been committed already. So pls pls give me some advice guys and gals. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:44 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:44 PM Your property is your property; do as you please. ** cue the "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride" crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDLLB360 Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:47 PM Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:47 PM Ok great that is good to know. The detectives constantly drive down my street and I know If they see me open carry they WILL come at me aggressively. But as long as I know that whatever they say is bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:51 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 08:51 PM Why don't you talk to them first. Tell them you got your FOID card. Ask their advice about what would be good to carry on your own property and see where that leads. You might be surprised, and they'll remember the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDLLB360 Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:00 PM Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:00 PM Well the officers around me don't like to talk normally. They are more fond of just jumping out and telling you get on the hood and spread your legs. But I will give it a shot one day. When I talk to them on the phone they tell me to call another person, then never answer. And most officers in the streets tell me they don't know anything. You know how that goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:10 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:10 PM Get it in writing about your landlord being ok with it!He owns and is control of the property.Check your lease also. Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:15 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:15 PM Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target. +1I would not advertise the fact that I'm carrying, you're opening yourself up to all sorts of unwanted attention.Not that big of a deal to cover it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:17 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:17 PM Well the officers around me don't like to talk normally. They are more fond of just jumping out and telling you get on the hood and spread your legs. But I will give it a shot one day. When I talk to them on the phone they tell me to call another person, then never answer. And most officers in the streets tell me they don't know anything. You know how that goes I wonder if that's because no one's bothered to just shoot the breeze with them, so everything they do is a reaction to something. Getting to know the police in your neighborhood is a good thing. Recognition builds trust and respect - for each other. Remember, too, if you're on your own property it doesn't have to be carried openly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:31 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:31 PM Wait......too late someone posted about my reply first....... Did you get your CCL yet?Last chat was about gun violence in Illinois and the 2nd amendment!Prior to that was the 30 day letters from the review board, yes? If I remember correctly, it was a very heated discussion at that.So I'm going to step out and guess you already know what you will do or already do in Chicago simply based on previous posts.I'm going to add, having a negative attitude about law enforcement will beget a negative in most cases. Last, if your bil is sitting with you, know that it will get more interesting if the PD does stop by! Just saying. Good Luck Again with your decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:41 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 09:41 PM live in a bad area....sitting in my front porch...i wouldnt, but thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted August 29, 2016 at 10:52 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 10:52 PM Get it in writing about your landlord being ok with it!He owns and is control of the property.Check your lease also. Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target. Good Luck Assumption not based on facts. Besides, we all know if Kendll is the intended target then the 3 year old across the street or some other unintended target will be hit. So Kendll is safe unless the 3 year old is the actual target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:01 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:01 PM You'd think with all the practice they are getting on the streets of Chiraq, that their aim would be better!Maybe they should actually get closer to their targets before opening up.And that whole sideways hold is old, they gotta seen some utube vids by now to know better, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:07 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:07 PM ...** cue the "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride" crowd. LOL What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirflyguy Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:26 PM Share Posted August 29, 2016 at 11:26 PM Remember, too, if you're on your own property it doesn't have to be carried openly. This. Just conceal it. Then the gangsters won't know, the neighbors won't know, and no one calls the cops on you because the see a "man with a gun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:09 AM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:09 AM Talk to your local cops. Make friends. I was pulled over on the south side in the mid 70's for "white guy driving in a bad neighborhood". They asked if I had a gun. I replied I did not and they said I really should. They then gave me good directions to a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoverGunner Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:26 AM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:26 AM AS Said above talk to the local copsIf it were me I would take 2 dozen donuts to the station and ask the Desk Cop whom would best address your question Also as said above I highly suggest you do not open carry . I truly think that is asking for Trouble . BAD BAD IDEA in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiTown Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:58 AM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:58 AM If you don't mind us asking, what neighborhood do you live in that is considered "bad"? My personal advise, Conceal it. As others have said if this is a bad neighborhood you will draw unwanted attention from your local troublemakers and find your house ransacked when you come home one day. Aside from that the police will respond to a person with a gun call under the premise you are a potential offender. While the law will keep you from being arrested it may not prevent you from being stopped, detained and disarmed until the responding officers determine you are lawfully carrying on your property. As said before. Concealing will minimize these risks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerus Posted August 30, 2016 at 04:54 AM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 04:54 AM Get it in writing about your landlord being ok with it!He owns and is control of the property.Check your lease also.Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target.Good LuckNone of the LLs business. A rented home is still your home. Any landlord dumb enough to try would rightly deserve the thrashing they would receive in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gLockedandLoaded Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:18 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:18 PM I would certainly conceal carry on your property, even a full-size pistol like your M&P if that's what you like. Once again I question the logic behind open carry. In case of an active shooter: you are the first one to take out. In case of common criminals and would-be criminals: They now know you have guns. If you have 1 gun on you, you probably have more in the house. You made yourself a burglary target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:33 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:33 PM Can you use the back yard? That would be the best way to enjoy the outdoors at home in any neighborhood in/near chicago. I wouldn't want to sit on the front porch in the ghetto even with a minigun. Even then, I wouldn't be able to relax because it wouldn't be long before you'd find yourself swimming in brass. minigunhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0d_1409553876 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:34 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 01:34 PM Open carry in the city, even on your own property, makes as much sense as using a street-level ATM and walking away counting the bills you just got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 30, 2016 at 03:51 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 03:51 PM Get it in writing about your landlord being ok with it!He owns and is control of the property.Check your lease also.Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target.Good LuckNone of the LLs business. A rented home is still your home. Any landlord dumb enough to try would rightly deserve the thrashing they would receive in court.Had the opportunity to sit in on a round table style discussion Friday and this very subject was brought up.Seems that the owner is still in charge unless specifically spelled out in a rent/lease agreement.Further, if something were to happen, the insurer wouldn't have to payout if there was no direct line of such an agreement in place.All but 1, out of 7 were in agreement on the property "Owner" needing to hand over this permission. That being said, we were talking about business type situations, atf, il law, and insurance/lawyer responses. Renting is NOT owning, it's a contract with the "Owner" and a tennent.Most times when we talk about these issues, we assume that people have purchased the property and therefore have ownership! Open carrying in this situation listed by the OP, would be best not done,many the "Owner" of the property should be contacted.It's very easy to add into a rent/lease agreement the authorizing of firearms on the premises, yes? But again, we talked about a business establishment and the renter being able to secure insurance if the "Owner" didn't sign off! Just another 0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 30, 2016 at 04:16 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 04:16 PM ...** cue the "you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride" crowd. LOL What makes you say that? Just a hunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted August 30, 2016 at 06:30 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 06:30 PM Open carry on your own property is perfectly legal (assuming you have a valid FOID), but you may want to consider conceal carry as a preferable option. The choice is yours, but option #2 comes with a lot less headaches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1242 Lambda Chi Posted August 30, 2016 at 09:29 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 09:29 PM Hi fellow gun lovers and enthusiast it has been some time since my last visit, but I am back to seek more of your valuable knowledge. I recently purchased a new M&P 40. (I love it)...and would like to know the city of Chicago laws in regards to open carry in chicago. I live in a bad area and many shootings occur from the gangs around. I would like to be able to enjoy sitting in my front porch and loving the weather on my days off work, but don't want to be In fear of being shot at or my wife being shot at and my protection is upstairs on the 2nd floor. My neighbors and landlord are fine with my firearm. But I'd like to know that if police arrive, I know my rights to stand up Asa responsible gun owner and protect my rights to defend my own home and family without the need of police officers arriving after the crime has been committed already. So pls pls give me some advice guys and gals. Thanks again. I think wanting to sit on your porch without the fear of violence is a different subject entirely. You would have the same chances with or without a fire arm. Are you going to get a carry license? That would solve your carry dilema at least. Other than that. Move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted August 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM Get it in writing about your landlord being ok with it!He owns and is control of the property.Check your lease also.Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target.Good Luck None of the LLs business. A rented home is still your home. Any landlord dumb enough to try would rightly deserve the thrashing they would receive in court. Had the opportunity to sit in on a round table style discussion Friday and this very subject was brought up.Seems that the owner is still in charge unless specifically spelled out in a rent/lease agreement.Further, if something were to happen, the insurer wouldn't have to payout if there was no direct line of such an agreement in place.All but 1, out of 7 were in agreement on the property "Owner" needing to hand over this permission.That being said, we were talking about business type situations, atf, il law, and insurance/lawyer responses.Renting is NOT owning, it's a contract with the "Owner" and a tennent.Most times when we talk about these issues, we assume that people have purchased the property and therefore have ownership!Open carrying in this situation listed by the OP, would be best not done,many the "Owner" of the property should be contacted.It's very easy to add into a rent/lease agreement the authorizing of firearms on the premises, yes?But again, we talked about a business establishment and the renter being able to secure insurance if the "Owner" didn't sign off!Just another 0.02The only place that "ownership" is mentioned is the FCCA. Possessing a firearm is not regulated by the FCCA within your own home, and is specifically excepted in 720 ILCS 24-1(a )4. (4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions: A rented property is both an abode and a legal dwelling. Also, I have never found a properly adjudicated case where a malicious act by a third party was ever the responsibility of the insurer or the insured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-J Posted August 30, 2016 at 11:59 PM Share Posted August 30, 2016 at 11:59 PM Just wear a loose fitting button down shirt with the last few buttons undone. Please don't be a target. (I'd like to see Blackwater Security placed at the end of each block; authorized to care care of business when needed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 31, 2016 at 12:29 AM Share Posted August 31, 2016 at 12:29 AM Had the opportunity to sit in on a round table style discussion Friday and this very subject was brought up. Seems that the owner is still in charge unless specifically spelled out in a rent/lease agreement. Further, if something were to happen, the insurer wouldn't have to payout if there was no direct line of such an agreement in place. All but 1, out of 7 were in agreement on the property "Owner" needing to hand over this permission. That being said, we were talking about business type situations, atf, il law, and insurance/lawyer responses. Renting is NOT owning, it's a contract with the "Owner" and a tennent. Most times when we talk about these issues, we assume that people have purchased the property and therefore have ownership! Open carrying in this situation listed by the OP, would be best not done,many the "Owner" of the property should be contacted. It's very easy to add into a rent/lease agreement the authorizing of firearms on the premises, yes? But again, we talked about a business establishment and the renter being able to secure insurance if the "Owner" didn't sign off! Just another 0.02 You shouldn't continue to take insurance advice from the people who told you those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:03 AM Share Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:03 AM I'm not taking advice, just discusing.It's what peeps do, get others ideas and dwell on them.Just happens to be in here at same time. Tkroenlien......he doesn't have a CCL, so it's not about the FCCA, he's not carrying concealed.I'm assuming just a FOID at this time from info of previous posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:30 AM Share Posted August 31, 2016 at 01:30 AM I'm not taking advice, just discusing.It's what peeps do, get others ideas and dwell on them.Just happens to be in here at same time.Tkroenlien......he doesn't have a CCL, so it's not about the FCCA, he's not carrying concealed.I'm assuming just a FOID at this time from info of previous posts!Then we agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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