Official Notice: Any Shots Inside/Touching the Silhouette Count

[gangrel]

 

An applicant for a new license shall provide proof of certification by a certified instructor that the applicant passed a live fire exercise with a concealable firearm consisting of:

a minimum of 30 rounds; and

10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards;

10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards;

10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards

at a B-27 silhouette target approved by the Department.

A certificate of completion for an applicant's firearm training course shall not be issued to a student who:

during the range firing portion of testing fails to hit the target with 70% of the rounds fired.

 

Ok, so on the paper it is. Forget about the silhouette.

 

Pardon the sarcasm. I do fall into the camp that says the state shouldn't be mandating the training in the first place, but considering we are all thinking, law-abiding citizens who want to do right by what we say we are going to do, the silhouette makes sense. The scoring rings could likewise be viewed as "the target".

 

The law does in fact state the qualification above, but it also states that the department shall approve the curriculum. Right or wrong, they set those standards. Then they corrected them, but never communicated the correction. Now, over a year later, they have finally gotten around to communicating the correction.

 

I for one am breathing a sigh of relief for finally having it in black and white from ISP, all frustration aside...

[spec5]

In

After IN what is next? B27 as B4 isn't going to happen.

[Bubbacs]

 

In

After IN what is next? B27 as B4 isn't going to happen.

I see what you did there..........I'll play

 

The

[spec5]

 

 

In

After IN what is next? B27 as B4 isn't going to happen.

I see what you did there..........I'll playThe

NO NO NO? Don't play games with Molly B's thread as bad things could happen to you. I am not playing anymore.

[Bubbacs]

Wait

You sucker me IN ?

Only to not tell me B4......

And now MollyB will be giving me THE heave ho.

 

Thanks, I'll be LOCKED out for months!

[spec5]

Wait

You sucker me IN ?

Only to not tell me B4......

And now MollyB will be giving me THE heave ho.

Thanks, I'll be LOCKED out for months!

Maybe she won't get you just your silhouette.

[C0untZer0]

The scoring rings could likewise be viewed as "the target".

 

 

The black area outside of the 7-ring is assigned a score value, hits outside of the 7-ring but in the black are 3 points. If the instructor is using an official NRA B-27 target, the scoring legend should be on the target.

[C0untZer0]

Traditionally or most commonly, areas assigned a scoring value are considered "the target" while hits on areas that have no assigned value are considered "paper". So I'm not sure how this idea got started that the 7 ring and inward is "The Target", I can only assume it was started by someone in the ISP who didn't understand the B-27 target and hadn't competed in matches where the B-27 target was used according to NRA rules.

 

That aside, a little knowledge of anatomy tells you there are areas on the B-27 target that still represent critical areas such as the head and the kidneys.

 

Anyway, I'm glad its over...

[jumperj]

So the first four times I failed the shooting portion of my test, I actually passed?

[sirflyguy]

I have only had a couple of folks who would have failed the qualification with the ISP's "inside the ring" interpretation. Having said that, I still feel they overreached with their declaration. I am glad it has been reversed.

[RoyB]

It's nice they finally clarified the requirements. With that being said, I think even hitting the rings is a bit easy for the test. If you can't hit 70% within the rings at 5-10 yards, you probably shouldn't be carrying or get some range practice. What's going to happen in a panic situation? There was a person in our class that carried a gun for their line of work (not a PO). They were lucky to get any of them within the 7 ring. I was a bit shocked. I do realize most times you will not be firing at 10 yards, but god forbid you need to unload 2 magazines, I can't believe hitting 9 potential bystanders is acceptable to pass the test.

[jumperj]

It was a bit scary to think some of the people in my class were given a permit. One older woman had a 22lr revolver. Her first shot went off pointed at the sky. She managed to just get enough shots on paper to pass. And that's with a long barrel 22. Another guy who had prior military, WWII maybe? This man had a pistol as old as him. It fell apart when he tried to put the magazine in. He also passed.... Maybe with practice they'll get better

[Joebillybob]

i thought mollythreads were LOCK RESISTENT... so

 

Innski

 

Before

 

Thy

 

Nonlockski....

[mqqn]

Thank you very much for the update, Molly!

 

best

 

mqqn

[sirflyguy]

It was a bit scary to think some of the people in my class were given a permit. One older woman had a 22lr revolver. Her first shot went off pointed at the sky. She managed to just get enough shots on paper to pass. And that's with a long barrel 22. Another guy who had prior military, WWII maybe? This man had a pistol as old as him. It fell apart when he tried to put the magazine in. He also passed.... Maybe with practice they'll get better

I prefer to call it a license. I do not believe there are any statistical increases of gun accidents in states with less or no training requirements. I do understand what you are saying (especially as a pistol instructor myself), but I am opposed to forced training. I am all for as much training as a person wants to do of their own free will. That is just me.

[C0untZer0]

It was a bit scary to think some of the people in my class were given a permit.

 

 

Its scary to think of the people they let procreate - but hey, whaddya ya gonna do?

[jumperj]

 

It was a bit scary to think some of the people in my class were given a permit. One older woman had a 22lr revolver. Her first shot went off pointed at the sky. She managed to just get enough shots on paper to pass. And that's with a long barrel 22. Another guy who had prior military, WWII maybe? This man had a pistol as old as him. It fell apart when he tried to put the magazine in. He also passed.... Maybe with practice they'll get better

I prefer to call it a license. I do not believe there are any statistical increases of gun accidents in states with less or no training requirements. I do understand what you are saying (especially as a pistol instructor myself), but I am opposed to forced training. I am all for as much training as a person wants to do of their own free will. That is just me.

 

I wouldn't want to make it mandatory to get training first..This is still a free country (comparatively speaking) Just wish people would..

[gangrel]

It was a bit scary to think some of the people in my class were given a permit. One older woman had a 22lr revolver. Her first shot went off pointed at the sky. She managed to just get enough shots on paper to pass. And that's with a long barrel 22. Another guy who had prior military, WWII maybe? This man had a pistol as old as him. It fell apart when he tried to put the magazine in. He also passed.... Maybe with practice they'll get better

I agree with my fellow instructors that training should be voluntary, not mandated by law. That being said, unsafe firearm handling is one of conditions which by law we are required to fail a student. The lady who skyed her first round should have been failed on the spot. Of course it is very likely that happened because proper training was not provided in the classroom prior to going out on the range. Lots of things going wrong in this story, but insufficient training requirements is NOT one of them.

 

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[Bubbacs]

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