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You will see it around here often. Duplicate threads, or when a thread goes off the track, until it gets back on the rails.

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IBTL

Me too.

 

I wasn't sure what this meant so I looked it up.

Question: What Is 'IBTL'? What Does IBTL Mean?

Answer: 'IBTL' is 'in before the lock'. This is an expression used by serious users of conversation forums, and they are celebrating that they posted a comment before the thread was removed or locked by an administrator.

You will see this expression in very heated, very controversial, and very inflammatory online discussions. Commonly, the topics involve hate-mongering, bickering, ranting, mudslinging, or other mean-spirited or juvenile topics.

IBTL is then used by experienced forum members to exclaim that they submitted a reply "before the moderator locks the thread". IBTL can be a cocky statement by people who enjoy online drama, but it can also be a disclaimer by a mature user that they expect the moderator to lock the thread very soon.

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It's a shame that inner city schools have failed students for so long. I know of one field, analytics, that are hard to fill. That has led to hiring of employees with green cards or similar work permits - Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, etc. The black community could have owned that space, and the jobs pay quite well. In the mid-80's our firm hired eight minority interns with math skills who were part of a Chicago schools mentoring program. The company paid for additional training in SAS, SPSS, and similar platforms.

 

90% of the recruits worked hard and succeeded despite having long commutes from the south side. Many were promoted into Manager and Director positions with six-figure salaries. A few got married or were happy working at the staff level. So, are all Chicago schools equipped to prepare students for business careers like those eight kids were - or do the socialists despise corporate business so much they never expose students to what jobs are available?

 

My point is that not all jobs go to white people as the OP stated. More work needs to be done developing our own citizens to fill jobs that are hard to fill. Something seems to be broken in the schools to where students may not even be made aware of opportunities to aim for.

 

I also have some experience with church musicians from the south and west side. Those churches are amazing communities. Are the South and West sides really as far gone and hopeless as described? Why be on the street when the churches seem like uplifting places to find mentors?

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You will see it around here often. Duplicate threads, or when a thread goes off the track, until it gets back on the rails.

 

 

 

ah ok, I mean I think that anytime you deal with race in America the rails are already off so I can see what you are saying. I am sure we can all say we

 

are here to share our passion for the 2A and CC and I guess other stuff can come into it when different elements are introduced into the conversation.

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For the OP,

You mention God. The Bible tells us there will always be those with much and those with little.

It also states Be not drunk with wine or strong drink. Do you believe since it doesn't mention weed, cocaine, heroin (etc.) that those are ok? The way I understand it means don't let any DRUG enter your body that will affect your abilities.

Follow Gods Law.

All Men and Women are created equal. Equal Rights and Opportunities (not outcome) for all.

In a bad place? Circumstance? - Seek Gods wisdom - Not gang affiliation!!

I agree with you. None of what we do is religously correct. Neither is us creating guns. But look at you, here tonight. On a gun site. Interesting to me. We as humans chose daily to disobey God an what we know as right and wrong. We figure some sins are not as major as other sins. You do it. I do it. We do it. Because we imperfect stupid humabs who are stubborn in our ways until the consequences come. I agree gang life as far as crime is wrong, but before the drug scene exploded, it was no crime with the gangs. I.E. social groups. Back then, they were revolutionist. They pushed people to vote. Stay in school. Protect. You only know what you see in movies. And the news about killings. But it wasnt always that way. Drug violemce made it that way. Once again, my point. Kill the fight over illegal drugs, and kill the violence that gamgs bring now adays. Thats it.

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I apologize for coming on here and going so far with all of this. I did let my emptions get the best of me by that one comment earlier. I apologize. Im new here and do not seek to make enimies. Im a good guy. I follow the law. I try and teach my associates to make better decisions in my neighborhood. I do the best i can with my family. And i still battle a gang war in my neighborhood daily fighting to not get murdered at a stop light one day taking my son to school..i just want to get my CCL and teach my sons to be good men. And learn how to hunt. Fish. Etc. And live a good life. I hope to make many good new friends here and learn a lot. I hope i havnt offended anyone. It was not my intent. At all. Happy to erase my whole post by the way. And try and keep a positive track in the future.
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This is sounding a lot like race baiting. It's not the gangbangers fault that he commits felonies, it's are fault for not paying him $15 pH for flipping burgers.

 

It's not the gangbangers fault for selling drugs, he only wants that fine ride that the boss drives, and doesn't want to go to school and work his way through the company. It just no fare he can't have that car.

 

It not the gangbangers fault for not finshing high school, you know that's not cool to work that hard and there is always a free street corner.

 

It's not the gangbangers fault that good jobs won't hire you just because you went to prison.

 

It's just not there fault. America needs to reduce our nation to meet the gangbangers level to make life far.

 

We guarantee the chance to be anything you want, but we won't do the work for you.

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I'm a "Latino", so I guess I can speak. My family also grew up poor, in the city, no father at home, no car, no English spoken at home. Then I went to school, learned to read, went to high school, no college.

 

The cops never harassed me and my brothers, because we weren't out on the corner selling, or doing drugs. When I was 15 I walked around a flea market, practically begging for a job. My first job paid $15 for 10 hours on weekends, in 1990! What a ripoff! But 3 months later I was making $35 a day. Good money to a 15 year old.

 

By 20 I was working in a warehouse, and within a year, became a salesman, making $20,000 a year, and traveling across the US to conventions.

 

By 25 I was making over $70k a year.

 

The difference between me and the guys who stayed in the shipping department?

 

I didn't dislike the bosses. As a matter of fact, I looked up to them. Every time I was offered more work, I took it, even if it didn't pay much. I moved up quicker than guys who'd been there 10 years before me. All because they didn't want more work, for " just $1 more an hour".

 

I see thousands of black and Latino working men every day. (Truck drivers). I see thousands of Mexican restaurants throughout the city, most of which are owned by Mexicans. There are lots of opportunities out there, IF you take advantage of them.

 

My point is, YOUR attitude is what's most important. Blaming the white man, and things that happened in the past, will get you nowhere.

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This is sounding a lot like race baiting. It's not the gangbangers fault that he commits felonies, it's are fault for not paying him $15 pH for flipping burgers.

It's not the gangbangers fault for selling drugs, he only wants that fine ride that the boss drives, and doesn't want to go to school and work his way through the company. It just no fare he can't have that car.

It not the gangbangers fault for not finshing high school, you know that's not cool to work that hard and there is always a free street corner.

It's not the gangbangers fault that good jobs won't hire you just because you went to prison.

It's just not there fault. America needs to reduce our nation to meet the gangbangers level to make life far.

We guarantee the chance to be anything you want, but we won't do the work for you.

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I'm a "Latino", so I guess I can speak. My family also grew up poor, in the city, no father at home, no car, no English spoken at home. Then I went to school, learned to read, went to high school, no college.

The cops never harassed me and my brothers, because we weren't out on the corner selling, or doing drugs. When I was 15 I walked around a flea market, practically begging for a job. My first job paid $15 for 10 hours on weekends, in 1990! What a ripoff! But 3 months later I was making $35 a day. Good money to a 15 year old.

By 20 I was working in a warehouse, and within a year, became a salesman, making $20,000 a year, and traveling across the US to conventions.

By 25 I was making over $70k a year.

The difference between me and the guys who stayed in the shipping department?

I didn't dislike the bosses. As a matter of fact, I looked up to them. Every time I was offered more work, I took it, even if it didn't pay much. I moved up quicker than guys who'd been there 10 years before me. All because they didn't want more work, for " just $1 more an hour".

I see thousands of black and Latino working men every day. (Truck drivers). I see thousands of Mexican restaurants throughout the city, most of which are owned by Mexicans. There are lots of opportunities out there, IF you take advantage of them.

My point is, YOUR attitude is what's most important. Blaming the white man, and things that happened in the past, will get you nowhere.

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KendallB, welcome to the forum. I agree with everything you said about drug legalization. The current laws and war on drugs aren't based on anything more that stupid feelings and outdated ideas. And legalization would solve or help many of the issues your community is facing. Take away the means with which the gangs make money, and you take away the reason they currently exist.

 

It would also stop money from going to the cartels and stay in the local economies.

 

I disagree about money being the root of all evil. Money came about because it makes it easier to barter. Instead of the blacksmith trading directly with the farmer, they can both sell their products and use money to buy other goods.

 

The capital system isn't perfect, but it's the best system for the world at this time. The majority of people stay busy, are productive, it drives products and services to get better, and the majority of people live comfortably. Of course some are better off than others. Mostly due to hard work, but sometimes due to luck or connections. Our capitalist system is the best system right now due to human nature.

 

The communist system is perfect in theory, but not in reality. In theory, everyone does their part, and everyone gets what they need to live comfortably. But due to humans, the lazy don't pull their weight, yet still get the same as the ones that work extra hard. The bad ones corrupt the system, and take advantage, and it doesn't work anything like it should in theory.

 

One thing I must ask, is why the heck did you move back to that area from dekalb? Why take your kids out of the good school you mentioned to go back to the area that you said was so horrible for you growing up? I'm not trying to offend you. I'm really curious what happened that you moved back.

 

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I'm a "Latino", so I guess I can speak. My family also grew up poor, in the city, no father at home, no car, no English spoken at home. Then I went to school, learned to read, went to high school, no college.

The cops never harassed me and my brothers, because we weren't out on the corner selling, or doing drugs. When I was 15 I walked around a flea market, practically begging for a job. My first job paid $15 for 10 hours on weekends, in 1990! What a ripoff! But 3 months later I was making $35 a day. Good money to a 15 year old.

By 20 I was working in a warehouse, and within a year, became a salesman, making $20,000 a year, and traveling across the US to conventions.

By 25 I was making over $70k a year.

The difference between me and the guys who stayed in the shipping department?

I didn't dislike the bosses. As a matter of fact, I looked up to them. Every time I was offered more work, I took it, even if it didn't pay much. I moved up quicker than guys who'd been there 10 years before me. All because they didn't want more work, for " just $1 more an hour".

I see thousands of black and Latino working men every day. (Truck drivers). I see thousands of Mexican restaurants throughout the city, most of which are owned by Mexicans. There are lots of opportunities out there, IF you take advantage of them.

My point is, YOUR attitude is what's most important. Blaming the white man, and things that happened in the past, will get you nowhere.

I agree 100%.

 

I see immigrants who come here with absolutely nothing making decent money every day. They barely speak english, and they're driving trucks.

 

It's not hard at all to get a CDL. and it's really REALLY easy to drive a truck. Someone that barely graduated 8th grade could do it. And make $50k per year or more.

 

That's just one example. There's a lot of jobs out there that pay decent wages, and are easy to get and do. Minimum wage isn't the only jobs available to people with a poor education.

 

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I'm a "Latino", so I guess I can speak. My family also grew up poor, in the city, no father at home, no car, no English spoken at home. Then I went to school, learned to read, went to high school, no college.

The cops never harassed me and my brothers, because we weren't out on the corner selling, or doing drugs. When I was 15 I walked around a flea market, practically begging for a job. My first job paid $15 for 10 hours on weekends, in 1990! What a ripoff! But 3 months later I was making $35 a day. Good money to a 15 year old.

By 20 I was working in a warehouse, and within a year, became a salesman, making $20,000 a year, and traveling across the US to conventions.

By 25 I was making over $70k a year.

The difference between me and the guys who stayed in the shipping department?

I didn't dislike the bosses. As a matter of fact, I looked up to them. Every time I was offered more work, I took it, even if it didn't pay much. I moved up quicker than guys who'd been there 10 years before me. All because they didn't want more work, for " just $1 more an hour".

I see thousands of black and Latino working men every day. (Truck drivers). I see thousands of Mexican restaurants throughout the city, most of which are owned by Mexicans. There are lots of opportunities out there, IF you take advantage of them.

My point is, YOUR attitude is what's most important. Blaming the white man, and things that happened in the past, will get you nowhere.

I agree 100%.

 

I see immigrants who come here with absolutely nothing making decent money every day. They barely speak english, and they're driving trucks.

 

It's not hard at all to get a CDL. and it's really REALLY easy to drive a truck. Someone that barely graduated 8th grade could do it. And make $50k per year or more.

 

That's just one example. There's a lot of jobs out there that pay decent wages, and are easy to get and do. Minimum wage isn't the only jobs available to people with a poor education.

 

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My parents did it as immigrants from Haiti as my Dad (big 2A supporter) joined the Army to earn his citizenship. I also feel that those who are born here have a very different perspective on life than an immigrant who had to go through a different type of adversity to get into this country. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere so my parents weren't worried about having less here because it was still more than what they had in Haiti.

 

 

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I want to say i agree. Its not all the mans fault lol. I do blame each individual. Make the best of your situation. I agree. All im saying is people in these areas have a tougher life thanyou could imagine. Yea one latino wasnt beatup in his life, but your life and that of the 50+ people i know persomally are different cases. As you stated. You never had a friend shot in front of you before have you? How many times have you walked down the streets of little village in the past month? Or down 63rd andHalsted? Live a few days in that sick environmemt. And then come talk about that life of America. Where even if you want to do good, your in heck. Andspend more time dodging bullets than being able to study. Or work. Your neighbors are drug dealers, so when they house get shot up, so do yours. You cant compare levels of racism to yours. Or my block to your block. But you can take a walk with me thru our areas and see firsthand my point. But do it without your CC on your waste. Walk without protection down Halsted on a busy summer day. You will understand how anyone can be a target of gang violence over drugs.

 

Also, to answer the question about why i moved from Dekalb. Because believe it or not, i experience more racism from whites because i moved to your forbidden country side and didnt match the skintone.i remember my wife and i were attempting to walk to a nearby gas station. Only, belittle knowing to us, trying to walk anywhere in Shobbona is crazy. With our 2yr old babygirl, we walked for 3hrs on a long empty road in the country. Stranded by then. No choice but to keep going. Noone stopped to help. We flagged and flagged. People just drove around us. I had racial slurs yelled out of window by young white teenagers. Thats what i experienced in Dekalb. I was safer in the hood than in the country where i was more likely to be hung one dark night. But as far as a way of life, it was perfect. I agree. Horses in the streets. Privacy. Peaceful. I never seen so many stars shining bright. But honestly, in my life. Anytime im sourounded by majority whites, i feel uneased. I feel watched. Judged. Eyes are on me. Even more so because my wife is Mexican. So now we are a mixed family. Even more odd to see.

 

Its just upsetting when we sweep away racism, and the truth about things. But it is a issue that can cause a lot of arguments. Which im not looking to do here. I told Valinda i wanted to give my opinion on some matters that i liked. Not start arguments persay. Or stirr up riff raft over my thoughts.

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We habe to stop using you once in a lifetime success stories as minorities as success stories for blks as a whole. Just because Judge Mathis madeit, doesnt mean its going to be so easy for all blks to make it. You dont know how much better schooling mathis had. You dont know, some people are just naturally smarter than average. My brother has epilepsy, but maintained a 4.0 his entire school career. Something i never could have done. And i consider myself smart. Everyones different. But one tging for sure, if the vast majority of kids in the ghettos are getting third world class schooling, then how can you expect majority of them to succeed? At least if ALL schools natiomwide had the exact level of teaching, as china or korea, then there'd be less to complain about. In my opinion.
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One great man said our past is our future...the past no matter how pong ago, affects our future. And yea hardcore slavery been ended. But not soft slavery. Under table slavery. Slavery is still strong. Its just covered by makeup. Things didnt change really until 1990s. The 60,70,80s were STILL very racial times. You cant deny that.
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I can promise you colt guy...im doing more than anyone you could imagine. I come from the gang life. I know it. I know the struggle. I graduated highschool.i didnt go to college bevause im not as smart or cut out for it. But i work my a** off. I feed my family the right way. I try to help change the perception of blks. I talk to gang members daily about stopping drugs, going to school,and loving your gang, thats cool. But help them to see to make changes to. To survive. I tell my gang friends, one day. If violence continues, it will be illegal to be a gang member. And then what? Thousands more minorities will be jailed just for being in a gang. But now thats still enslavememt. I can only do and say so much. You all are the extra needed help in making the needed changes. You can hate it or love it. But im right. You want less crime, and to keep your guns, then you have to find a real solution to what causes crime. Drugs!!!!. Illegal ones. I will keep playing my part to make a change. But what are you doing??? Cause i actually come from and still live in these areas. So i really do care. And still believe in guns.
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I can promise you colt guy...im doing more than anyone you could imagine. I come from the gang life. I know it. I know the struggle. I graduated highschool.i didnt go to college bevause im not as smart or cut out for it. But i work my a** off. I feed my family the right way. I try to help change the perception of blks. I talk to gang members daily about stopping drugs, going to school,and loving your gang, thats cool. But help them to see to make changes to. To survive. I tell my gang friends, one day. If violence continues, it will be illegal to be a gang member. And then what? Thousands more minorities will be jailed just for being in a gang. But now thats still enslavememt. I can only do and say so much. You all are the extra needed help in making the needed changes. You can hate it or love it. But im right. You want less crime, and to keep your guns, then you have to find a real solution to what causes crime. Drugs!!!!. Illegal ones. I will keep playing my part to make a change. But what are you doing??? Cause i actually come from and still live in these areas. So i really do care. And still believe in guns.

Then you might want to find a "Legalize Drugs" forum, and start the crusade there. I doubt anyone here can help the poor souls in your neighborhood.

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But CCL isnt for blks. Latinos. As i stated, many are felons by 17. And with the gun strickness now, chances are they will NEVER get a chance to own a legal firearm. Doomed from birth to be prejudged. Would be nice if every American made the right decision fom birth. But living conditions do play a roll. Cant under play.

 

Also ill deffinitely try amd make the meeting IGOLD on pulaski. And many other meetings now that im aware. And mayb bring some gang member friends with me to experience what goes on. Show them a whole new world of things.

 

I also want to say thanks to Molly for allowing me to be here. And for any assistance that you can give in my situation. As stated, im under review of the board currently. And i know why. I have never been to prison. Or been violent. But i associate with gang members. But all i can say is, if you want to reach the fallen, you have to get down on the ground with them. I come from them, and i understand them. They will listen to someone who come from there walk of life, not some suburban college know it all who never been stabbed, shot, jumped, chased or victimized period. So you ask what i do. I speak for my community. Thats it.

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