DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:15 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:15 AM http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-two-robbers-shot-to-death-20160109-story.html Two would-be robbers were shot to death at a liquor store in the Gresham neighborhood Saturday night, sources said. Police were at the scene of an attempted armed robbery at Z&S Food & Liquor in the 1300 block of West 87th Street Saturday night, according to Police News Affairs. Two men were shot to death by a store employee around 8:30 p.m. when they tried to rob the store, sources said. Citing preliminary information, authorities said two men walked into the store, and one of them hopped over the counter. That robber hit the clerk standing behind the counter, while the other remained in front of the counter, authorities said. Meanwhile, a relative of the store owner heard a commotion from upstairs and saw the robbery suspects from a stairwell, authorities said. He pulled out a gun and opened fire on the two men, killing them both, authorities said. At least one of them was armed with a gun. Investigators were trying to determine if the dead men robbed two other stores in the area not long before trying to rob the liquor store. Bruce Jones said he was sitting in a van across the street while his nephews bought drinks inside the store. He said he heard shots and ran across the street into the store, where he saw both robbers laying on the floor "bleeding out." "Greed and being thirsty, that's what gets you killed," Jones said. "You just can't go taking people's stuff." The store was the site of a previous robbery in which a robber was shot to death in a struggle for a gun and a clerk wounded by a second robber on Aug. 11, 2011. A group of bystanders stood talking loudly outside the store, which had a sign banning guns from the premises. "They don't play and I don't blame them," a woman said of the storekeepers. "This (has) happened to them before."
DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:18 AM Author Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:18 AM Sad that the store has a GFZ sign. Lawful carriers should be welcome based on their history of being robbed.
C0untZer0 Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:33 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:33 AM I wonder if the newspaper would have printed a description of the perpetrators if they'd killed the store owner and escaped? Probably not...
KarlJ Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:01 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:01 AM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants?
DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:09 AM Author Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:09 AM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants?Restaurants only. BUT I also saw a picture of the storefront on another article and I could not see a statutory GFZ sign anywhere.
mic6010 Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:05 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:05 AM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants?Its a liquor store anyways, its a statutory gun free zone in the entire state. Anyplace that derives more than 50% of its sales from alcohol is a statuary no guns allowed establishment. It doesn't apply to the owners having a gun though. Chicago won't issue or will revoke a liquor license to any establishment that serves alcohol and doesn't post period. Be it a restaurant or grocery store or whatever. If you want to sell alcohol in Chicago you have to post.
KarlJ Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:22 AM Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:22 AM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants? Its a liquor store anyways, its a statutory gun free zone in the entire state. Anyplace that derives more than 50% of its sales from alcohol is a statuary no guns allowed establishment. It doesn't apply to the owners having a gun though. Chicago won't issue or will revoke a liquor license to any establishment that serves alcohol and doesn't post period. Be it a restaurant or grocery store or whatever. If you want to sell alcohol in Chicago you have to post.Looking back at the Illinois law. The ban applies to bars and restaurants who's sales from alcohol exceed 50% of their revenue. Liquor stores are not statutory. The law bans carry in places where the primary sales are for liquor consumption inside the same business.
Bubbacs Posted January 10, 2016 at 12:39 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 12:39 PM Someone got some bad info in class......
handyflyer Posted January 10, 2016 at 12:41 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 12:41 PM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants? Its a liquor store anyways, its a statutory gun free zone in the entire state. Anyplace that derives more than 50% of its sales from alcohol is a statuary no guns allowed establishment. It doesn't apply to the owners having a gun though. Chicago won't issue or will revoke a liquor license to any establishment that serves alcohol and doesn't post period. Be it a restaurant or grocery store or whatever. If you want to sell alcohol in Chicago you have to post.This is incorrect. Liquor stores ARE NOT statutory gun free zones. The alcohol must be consumed on the premises to be required to post. None of the liquor stores by me are posted.
howie Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:49 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:49 PM To quote the statute..."Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an establishment that serves alcohol on its premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol."
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:58 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 01:58 PM So the bad guys totally disregarded the no guns sign huh? Gosh that was awfully rude of them. I'm glad that doesn't happen very often.
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:12 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:12 PM If your interested there is a very graphic picture of the two dead honor students over at Second City Cop.
UnderCover Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:38 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:38 PM Sad that the store has a GFZ sign. Lawful carriers should be welcome based on their history of being robbed.I noticed the sign on the right side of the door when I watched the news last night
barryware Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:46 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 02:46 PM If you guys are up for it.. Warning: Graphic.. https://twitter.com/Medusa_son_/status/686040871276527616/photo/1 Read the comments / tweets.. As always, they never disappoint.
TomKoz Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:16 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:16 PM How to lower the crime rate?
Trevis Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:20 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:20 PM To quote the statute..."Any building, real property, and parking area under the control of an establishment that serves alcohol on its premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale of alcohol."The "serves," I'm guessing is the important part. Liquor stores sell sealed product, they don't serve.
Draal Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:31 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:31 PM "They don't play". Best comment.
chislinger Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:32 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:32 PM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants? Restaurants only. BUT I also saw a picture of the storefront on another article and I could not see a statutory GFZ sign anywhere. The compliant sign is very visible in the Tribune story.
DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:37 PM Author Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:37 PM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants?Restaurants only. BUT I also saw a picture of the storefront on another article and I could not see a statutory GFZ sign anywhere.The compliant sign is very visible in the Tribune story.I see it now. I don't know if that is the same picture that was up last night.
McCroskey Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:45 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 03:45 PM CBS News this morning presented this story... the way the reporter on the scene reported it on air you'd think the two guys were shooting victims. There was NO real information or description of what happened. You could tell they were trying extremely hard to make it sound like a tragedy that appeared from nowhere. Who wants to bet the Bradys and Rahm will include these two criminals in their "victims of gun violence" numbers for 2016?
GTX63 Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:26 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:26 PM If you guys are up for it.. Warning: Graphic.. https://twitter.com/Medusa_son_/status/686040871276527616/photo/1 Read the comments / tweets.. As always, they never disappoint. Double didn't do homicide.All transactions are final.
KarlJ Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:36 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:36 PM Dosent Chicago have an ordinance where they won't issue a liquor license if the store dosent post? Or does that only apply to restaurants?Restaurants only. BUT I also saw a picture of the storefront on another article and I could not see a statutory GFZ sign anywhere.The compliant sign is very visible in the Tribune story.The owners relative can have a gun in the store but not law abiding permit holders? I know others that share those principles. Obama, Hiliary, Bloomberg. Just to name a few. I like a good guy wins story, especially when a violent criminal in Chicago loses to his victim. But it isn't a sweet victory for conceal carry when the victor would have me or you unarmed.. But maybe the sign was forced on the owner by the city? Is that their terms to receive a liquor license?
ChicagoRonin70 Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:15 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:15 PM How marvelous! Wait, a good guy with a gun can't stop a bad guy with a gun, much less two of them! This must be fake! Incidentally, this has happened before at that store, about 5 years ago: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-08-13/news/ct-met-robber-shot-0813-20110813_1_second-robber-liquor-store-clerk You'd think that people in that neighborhood would learn that store isn't a good target.
DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:47 PM Author Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:47 PM The Trib has updated the article. The two honor students have been identified as a 15 and 17 year old. Not that I ever thought it was in any way probable, but they were definitely not CCL holders. And I highly doubt they were FOID holders. $I'm sure they purchased their gun over the internet where no background check was required. Obama fixed that loophole now. Too bad he didn't do it sooner, or these misguided youth would still be alive.$
chislinger Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:59 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:59 PM The Trib has updated the article. The two honor students have been identified as a 15 and 17 year old.Now they can be counted as "children killed by guns".
tchostler Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:12 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:12 PM hope the store owner has good insurance. no doubt their rtr civil rights were violated. rtr = right to rob.
DomG Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:18 PM Author Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:18 PM The Trib has updated the article. The two honor students have been identified as a 15 and 17 year old.Now they can be counted as "children killed by guns".And, JUST like suicides, they'll be counted in the number of people killed by guns. IMO, that number should only count innocent homicide VICTIMS. Suicides and justifiable homicide shouldn't be counted
OldMarineVet Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:22 PM Posted January 10, 2016 at 08:22 PM Sad that the store has a GFZ sign. Lawful carriers should be welcome based on their history of being robbed.As Trump said, those GFZ signs are only bait for criminals. Might the owner that shot those two be charged with entrapment? (purple)
DD123 Posted January 11, 2016 at 12:48 AM Posted January 11, 2016 at 12:48 AM The Trib has updated the article. The two honor students have been identified as a 15 and 17 year old.Now they can be counted as "children killed by guns".And, JUST like suicides, they'll be counted in the number of people killed by guns. IMO, that number should only count innocent homicide VICTIMS. Suicides and justifiable homicide shouldn't be counted It all depends on who's counting. The FBI's stat that I always use against leftists only takes into account criminal homicide. So this incident won't appear in those numbers.
DomG Posted January 11, 2016 at 01:03 AM Author Posted January 11, 2016 at 01:03 AM The Trib has updated the article. The two honor students have been identified as a 15 and 17 year old.Now they can be counted as "children killed by guns". And, JUST like suicides, they'll be counted in the number of people killed by guns. IMO, that number should only count innocent homicide VICTIMS. Suicides and justifiable homicide shouldn't be countedIt all depends on who's counting. The FBI's stat that I always use against leftists only takes into account criminal homicide. So this incident won't appear in those numbers. Doesn't the approximately 30,000 annual gun deaths include about 20,000 suicides, plus justifiable homicides, like this case?
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