WARFACE Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:03 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:03 AM I don't know how many of you guys know about this but Eotech was sued by the government for providing bad optics. They are giving everyone, I think, that owns one a complete refund, no questions asked. You have to contact them and request a return authorization paper. I sent my 512 off this morning. They even add an extra $15 foshipping on top of what you paid. No receipts or anything.http://soldiersystems.net/2015/12/08/l3-communications-eotech-issuing-refunds-for-holographic-weapon-sights/Just a heads up as I just learned of it about a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:16 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:16 AM http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59166 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:59 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:59 AM I really like my Eotech. I'm actually tempted to return my Eotech and use the refund to buy a newer model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:36 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:36 AM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:51 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:51 AM Old news.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowbrid Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:46 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:46 AM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. There's another big issue in addition to the POI shift:an inherent design flaw that causes the sights to inevitably leak (~page 25). Check out pages 13-34. Lotsa eyebrow raising stuff. http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/United-States-v.-L-3-Communications-Eotech-Inc.-et-al.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:17 AM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:17 AM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. There's another big issue in addition to the POI shift:an inherent design flaw that causes the sights to inevitably leak (~page 25). Check out pages 13-34. Lotsa eyebrow raising stuff. http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/United-States-v.-L-3-Communications-Eotech-Inc.-et-al.pdf Wow. To be honest, I've had mine in under 20 degree temps and didn't have to mess with the zero at all and the hologram seemed normal. But since they covered this up for so long, while knowing full well that our forces were being put in jeopardy with a bunk sight that could fail them when they needed it the most, makes me want to return it on principle to stick it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 9, 2016 at 12:40 PM Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 12:40 PM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. There's another big issue in addition to the POI shift:an inherent design flaw that causes the sights to inevitably leak (~page 25). Check out pages 13-34. Lotsa eyebrow raising stuff. http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/United-States-v.-L-3-Communications-Eotech-Inc.-et-al.pdfWow. To be honest, I've had mine in under 20 degree temps and didn't have to mess with the zero at all and the hologram seemed normal. But since they covered this up for so long, while knowing full well that our forces were being put in jeopardy with a bunk sight that could fail them when they needed it the most, makes me want to return it on principle to stick it to them. That's exactly why I returned my sight. I wanted an Aimpoint at the time but I bought the Eotech because they were backordered several months out because they were supplying the troops so I settled with the Eotech. Now that I find out about their game, I am getting a refund and buying an Aimpoint after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbnut Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:54 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 01:54 PM I looked at them but never liked the dot. Is it just me that the appears about the size of the moon and fuzzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:35 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 02:35 PM I was torn between an Eotech and an Aim Point but went with the Aim Point , glad i did . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted January 9, 2016 at 03:07 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 03:07 PM I returned my 512Less than 1yr old purchased it new and I was experiencing a random shift in point of aim, indoor range At 50 yards I was seeing around a 4" shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:12 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:12 PM Damn, I'm glad I stumbed upon this thread. I also have an EOTECH 512 which I've had for years and only used it the first couple months I had it due to problems. It's been sitting in its box ever since.Not only does the zero on mine shift, but when the thing is off, the batteries quickly drain over about 3 weeks becoming completely dead. They're N batteries, so not exactly cheap. Because of this, it's completely useless as anything other than a novelty. I'm going to try and return it. Thanks for posting this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:39 PM Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 04:39 PM Bitter Clinger I know it's old news but I managed to miss the older posts about it so I re-posted it incase everyone didn't know. There is no hurry at this point but Eotech, at some point, may require receipts for return approval and if anyone is like me, I am bad about losing receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:04 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 05:04 PM I am quite disappointed in this. I have 3 of their sights and haven't had any issues, but that's not the way to treat your customers.Had they been proactive and sent out a notice of the issues with a free repair option, I'd stick with them.I love these sights but don't want any failures that might haunt me. EDIT: On the product registration cards, they say to, "Register your purchase to ensure you're contacted in the event of any product issues."Not so much - huh?? This stinks!!! THANKS TO WARFACE!! MUCH APPRECIATED!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:26 PM Share Posted January 9, 2016 at 09:26 PM Bitter Clinger I know it's old news but I managed to miss the older posts about it so I re-posted it incase everyone didn't know. There is no hurry at this point but Eotech, at some point, may require receipts for return approval and if anyone is like me, I am bad about losing receipts. I've submitted the return reques and am just waiting for a response. When I opened the box to get the serial number to enter into the Web form, lo and behold, there was the reciept! I'm lucky I decided to pack it in there all those years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra magnus Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:05 AM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 04:05 AM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. Most people probably won't get them cold enough, but 122 degrees is easily achieved in a warm car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:32 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:32 PM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI.Most people probably won't get them cold enough, but 122 degrees is easily achieved in a warm car.I bet 122 degrees is easy on a summer day in the sun after a few mag dumps. Frankly, it's a matter of principal getting your money back from an unethical company who put lives of our boys at risk. The question is are you getting a check or an L3 gift certificate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:33 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 05:33 PM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. Most people probably won't get them cold enough, but 122 degrees is easily achieved in a warm car. I bet 122 degrees is easy on a summer day in the sun after a few mag dumps. Frankly, it's a matter of principal getting your money back from an unethical company who put lives of our boys at risk. The question is are you getting a check or an L3 gift certificate? I'm getting a check and then getting an aimpoint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:13 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:13 PM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. Most people probably won't get them cold enough, but 122 degrees is easily achieved in a warm car. I bet 122 degrees is easy on a summer day in the sun after a few mag dumps. Frankly, it's a matter of principal getting your money back from an unethical company who put lives of our boys at risk. The question is are you getting a check or an L3 gift certificate?I'm getting a check and then getting an aimpointI've got a Bushnell holosight made by L3. I'd like to send it back but I think I'm SOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:24 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:24 PM I'm keeping mine. Thing works fine and will never get put through the conditions that caused them to shift POI. Most people probably won't get them cold enough, but 122 degrees is easily achieved in a warm car. I bet 122 degrees is easy on a summer day in the sun after a few mag dumps.Frankly, it's a matter of principal getting your money back from an unethical company who put lives of our boys at risk. The question is are you getting a check or an L3 gift certificate?I'm getting a check and then getting an aimpoint Attaboy! I think like TRJ, Eotech has been unethical and how many of our service people might have been killed or injured over their lies. My 512 was mounted on a Rock River .458 SOCOM, sighted in and never used again but the fact is that there are honest companies to do business with. I just eyeballed a new Vortex combat sight at BassPro this morning that I might give a little consideration to. Dang, now I have to mount a new sight, and pay 5 bucks a round to sight that badboy in again....thank God I have a laser boresighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:29 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:29 PM Hopefully they don't ask for a receipt because I bought it in 2012 off of Ebay brand new and Ebay doesn't keep that information. I think their records only go back a couple years. I'm just going to say that the purchase price is the current Amazon is asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:35 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:35 PM Hopefully they don't ask for a receipt because I bought it in 2012 off of Ebay brand new and Ebay doesn't keep that information. I think their records only go back a couple years. I'm just going to say that the purchase price is the current Amazon is asking. I bought mine in 2011 and they never asked for a receipt. I would hurry before they do. I e-mailed them and got a response within hours so you can get it done quick. How long it takes to get the check will be another story. I imagine they are bleeding money pretty badly right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:39 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:39 PM Hopefully they don't ask for a receipt because I bought it in 2012 off of Ebay brand new and Ebay doesn't keep that information. I think their records only go back a couple years. I'm just going to say that the purchase price is the current Amazon is asking. I bought mine in 2011 and they never asked for a receipt. I would hurry before they do. I e-mailed them and got a response within hours so you can get it done quick. How long it takes to get the check will be another story. I imagine they are bleeding money pretty badly right now. I'm assuming that you just emailed customer service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:42 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:42 PM Yes Sir. I wrote my info for the RMA and they sent me an e-mail giving me the instructions. Just go to their site and you will see the refund thread. It's the easy button. Just print out the e-mail and RMA, throw it in the box and send it. They even let you keep the plastic case. Happy about that, it's where I keep my arrowhead collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azone5 Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:46 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:46 PM I'm returning mine, too. Bought it in 2010. I really like it, but have no interest if it's not up to specs and can have a shifting poi. Thanks WARFACE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:47 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:47 PM Yes Sir. I wrote my info for the RMA and they sent me an e-mail giving me the instructions. Just go to their site and you will see the refund thread. It's the easy button. Just print out the e-mail and RMA, throw it in the box and send it. They even let you keep the plastic case. Happy about that, it's where I keep my arrowhead collection.Awesome, thanks! I'll get that done today hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:55 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 06:55 PM Best part was I have no idea what I paid for it so I went online and looked at what they are going for so I picked a price and added 50 bucks to it because I bought it at a gun shop, and they approved it no questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:14 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:14 PM I too have an EoTech that I would like to return but I am a little gun shy about the "what if" they file bankruptcy while they have my sight and refund at this point. I would also be interested if they are passing out a gift certificate or a check you can cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARFACE Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:36 PM Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 07:36 PM I'm returning mine, too. Bought it in 2010. I really like it, but have no interest if it's not up to specs and can have a shifting poi. Thanks WARFACE. You bet. I just hope this thread stays active long enough for more people to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted January 10, 2016 at 10:17 PM Share Posted January 10, 2016 at 10:17 PM I'm returning two of mine - both 512's and have receipts for both purchased a month apart in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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