gregivq Posted July 20, 2015 at 03:23 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 03:23 PM Last week I enlisted two new IL CCL applicants and in doing this I decided to work to also remove a newly posted business in my area. Fruitful Yield is that hippie store that is not sure if it's more like Whole Foods or Trader Joe's. In pricing they are outmatching both but I wanted to steer them away from being posted like Whole Foods. I sent the business owner a friendly email listing our usual talking points. Couple of days later the dreadful sign is gone and I am planning on following up to thank them for their understanding. So, be sure to review Posted app as there are three more stores worth reaching out to. You may not shop there but why bother spreading that we're as hip as Whole Foods so we'll post like they do mentality? Stay safe and work to present our side in a polite and educated matter.
Prairie Pucker Posted July 20, 2015 at 03:42 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 03:42 PM Wonderful! I've found that simply asking the question, "Who do you think will obey your GFZ sign?" usually gets them thinking. Amazingly, I've actually been told by one guy that he hadn't looked at it that way. I guess it's hard to connect the dots when there's only one dot and it begins and ends with putting a sign in the window. No critical thinking skills whatsoever.
gregivq Posted July 20, 2015 at 04:05 PM Author Posted July 20, 2015 at 04:05 PM Where was this?Elmhurst
gregivq Posted July 20, 2015 at 04:24 PM Author Posted July 20, 2015 at 04:24 PM Wonderful! I've found that simply asking the question, "Who do you think will obey your GFZ sign?" usually gets them thinking. Amazingly, I've actually been told by one guy that he hadn't looked at it that way. I guess it's hard to connect the dots when there's only one dot and it begins and ends with putting a sign in the window. No critical thinking skills whatsoever.In my experience most business think that no guns sign will somehow increase a penalty for criminals robbing their store. It does not. Follow this with some reassurance that you do know what you're talking about and the sign usually comes down.
TRJ Posted July 20, 2015 at 05:02 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 05:02 PM Good to know. The Bloomingdale store is in a posted parking lot.
Beezil Posted July 20, 2015 at 05:52 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 05:52 PM Nice work! hearts and minds!
UnderCover Posted July 20, 2015 at 06:15 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 06:15 PM Funny this came up. I noticed it was posted by our local store as well. I called corporate and they said our local store will remove the sign along with all the other stores.
aamport19 Posted July 20, 2015 at 08:54 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 08:54 PM Good call fruitful yield! They have some good stuff over there and this a welcoming development.
Jsanc Posted July 20, 2015 at 09:44 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 09:44 PM Nice job, I'm working on a couple.
cherryriver Posted July 20, 2015 at 10:37 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 10:37 PM Actually, this was a long-running project by a lady we know named Janelle Pitula. She's been an FY shopper and engaged the management when she first encountered the signs a while ago. She had a running Facebook commentary about it and the contents of her conversations with them.At the store she regularly patronizes, she says that in the course of the discussion, the store manager literally removed the stickers while they were talking.I suspect this would have been a store in the further southwest burbs, near where she lives and has a business.We've know Janelle for some time. You wouldn't want to get in front of her... she's not loud or obnoxious at all, but very persuasive and not prone to giving up. Heh.
InterestedBystander Posted July 20, 2015 at 11:04 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 11:04 PM Where was this?Elmhurst Do you know how long they have been posted? I've been in there before and don't recall seeing the sign.
Quiet Observer Posted July 20, 2015 at 11:06 PM Posted July 20, 2015 at 11:06 PM Good to know. The Bloomingdale store is in a posted parking lot. How do you post on a huge open parking lot? There are no gates or fences. It is essentially a continuous 4 block long strip mall with several outbuildings, mostly restaurants. I do not know if it has a single owner/developer or several large plats owned by different developers. I have shopped there at Walmart, Dicks Sporting Goods, and gone to the Picture Show. I do not remember any No Guns signs at those places or anywhere in the parking lot. There may be individual stores in the complex that are posted.
TRJ Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:05 AM Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:05 AM Good to know. The Bloomingdale store is in a posted parking lot.How do you post on a huge open parking lot? There are no gates or fences. It is essentially a continuous 4 block long strip mall with several outbuildings, mostly restaurants. I do not know if it has a single owner/developer or several large plats owned by different developers. I have shopped there at Walmart, Dicks Sporting Goods, and gone to the Picture Show. I do not remember any No Guns signs at those places or anywhere in the parking lot. There may be individual stores in the complex that are posted.Every entrance drive off Army Trail Rd is posted with the official 4x6 sign. I've checked every entrance drive except off Schmale. While it may seem unenforceable due to "conspicously posted" I prefer to shop elsewhere out of principal.
TRJ Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:09 AM Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:09 AM Good to know. The Bloomingdale store is in a posted parking lot.How do you post on a huge open parking lot? There are no gates or fences. It is essentially a continuous 4 block long strip mall with several outbuildings, mostly restaurants. I do not know if it has a single owner/developer or several large plats owned by different developers. I have shopped there at Walmart, Dicks Sporting Goods, and gone to the Picture Show. I do not remember any No Guns signs at those places or anywhere in the parking lot. There may be individual stores in the complex that are posted.Every entrance drive off Army Trail Rd is posted with the official 4x6 sign. I've checked every entrance drive except off Schmale. While it may seem unenforceable due to "conspicously posted" I prefer to shop elsewhere out of principal.BTW, Bloomingdale Court is a Simon mall. They post everything they operate.
GAS3987 Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:53 AM Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:53 AM The one in Oswego has ever had a sign as far as I can tell. Good thing because occasionally it's a treat to do some shopping there. If it keeps on track we continue to do so.
gregivq Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM Author Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM Where was this?Elmhurst Do you know how long they have been posted? I've been in there before and don't recall seeing the sign. About two weeks.
gregivq Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM Author Posted July 21, 2015 at 12:04 PM Actually, this was a long-running project by a lady we know named Janelle Pitula. She's been an FY shopper and engaged the management when she first encountered the signs a while ago. She had a running Facebook commentary about it and the contents of her conversations with them.At the store she regularly patronizes, she says that in the course of the discussion, the store manager literally removed the stickers while they were talking.I suspect this would have been a store in the further southwest burbs, near where she lives and has a business.We've know Janelle for some time. You wouldn't want to get in front of her... she's not loud or obnoxious at all, but very persuasive and not prone to giving up. Heh.I'm impressed and happy that there are other folks working on this.
Beezil Posted July 21, 2015 at 03:52 PM Posted July 21, 2015 at 03:52 PM Actually, this was a long-running project by a lady we know named Janelle Pitula. She's been an FY shopper and engaged the management when she first encountered the signs a while ago. She had a running Facebook commentary about it and the contents of her conversations with them.At the store she regularly patronizes, she says that in the course of the discussion, the store manager literally removed the stickers while they were talking.I suspect this would have been a store in the further southwest burbs, near where she lives and has a business.We've know Janelle for some time. You wouldn't want to get in front of her... she's not loud or obnoxious at all, but very persuasive and not prone to giving up. Heh.I'm impressed and happy that there are other folks working on this. If each of us can affect one change, one single change in favor of 2a..... we are a snowball rolling quickly downhill.
Jsanc Posted July 22, 2015 at 12:18 AM Posted July 22, 2015 at 12:18 AM Let's all keep it up. Great job to all..
InterestedBystander Posted July 22, 2015 at 02:18 AM Posted July 22, 2015 at 02:18 AM Do you know how long they have been posted? I've been in there before and don't recall seeing the sign.About two weeks.That explains why I hadn't seen it. I'm typically in the Elmhurst or Lombard store and was afraid I had been so unobservant that I had missed the signs. Glad you got them to take it down.
Quiet Observer Posted July 28, 2015 at 11:34 PM Posted July 28, 2015 at 11:34 PM "BTW, Bloomingdale Court is a Simon mall. They post everything they operate". I drove there today, July 28, 2015. I tried several entrances off Army Trail and did not see a No Guns sign. The Army Trail entrance closest to Fruitful Yield is by Panera Bread and Office Max. I walked by the store twice and saw no GFZ sign. Bloomingdale Court is owned by W.P. Glimcher. In the aerial view in the pdf, Fruitful Yield is located on the inside corner of the southwest corner of the property between Office Max and J0-Ann Fabrics. http://www.wpglimcher.com/map/?search=bloomingdale%2C+il http://www.wpglimcher.com/assets/properties/pdf/1418744720-bloomingdalecourt.pdf
dragos111 Posted July 29, 2015 at 12:58 AM Posted July 29, 2015 at 12:58 AM Good to know. The Bloomingdale store is in a posted parking lot.How do you post on a huge open parking lot? There are no gates or fences. It is essentially a continuous 4 block long strip mall with several outbuildings, mostly restaurants. I do not know if it has a single owner/developer or several large plats owned by different developers. I have shopped there at Walmart, Dicks Sporting Goods, and gone to the Picture Show. I do not remember any No Guns signs at those places or anywhere in the parking lot. There may be individual stores in the complex that are posted. Also, parking lots are now covered with specific language in the state law. I suspect that a company cannot do what they are trying to do. (But, I am not a lawyer, though I do play one on TV.)
TRJ Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:24 AM Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:24 AM http://www.malls.com/us/malls/bloomingdale_court.htmlI still see this as a Simon Property. The signs are just the 4x6 inch official sign on a post that typically also had towing and maybe parking rules.
Quiet Observer Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:54 AM Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:54 AM http://www.malls.com/us/malls/bloomingdale_court.html I still see this as a Simon Property. The signs are just the 4x6 inch official sign on a post that typically also had towing and maybe parking rules. The Simon site does not list Bloomingdale Court as one of its properties. The Malls.com site could be in error or maybe Simon manages, but does not own; or the other way around. I did see the white towing/parking signs, but no GFZ. http://www.simon.com/mall There were a lot of No Parking Signs on the masonry posts in front of the stores, probably fire lanes. I would think that I they are anti-gun, the would have some GFZ signs there too. I will go back in the next day or so, park and walk along the entryways by Army Trail. Many here seem to like Fruitful Yield. I like the theater. They show recent but not first run movies for $3 - $6 dollars. The place is clean, not a dump. I want people to have accurate information before they decide to patronize or not patronize the stores there.
TRJ Posted July 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM Posted July 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM Let me help you then. One of them is next to the KFC on the drive to the east of it. I first spotted it sitting in a booth looking out the window. It's very hard to see from Army Trail because it's not posted right on the "intersection", but further up the drive. I took a picture of it at one point and thought I posted it.
Xwing Posted July 29, 2015 at 01:55 PM Posted July 29, 2015 at 01:55 PM Let me help you then. One of them is next to the KFC on the drive to the east of it. I first spotted it sitting in a booth looking out the window. It's very hard to see from Army Trail because it's not posted right on the "intersection", but further up the drive. I took a picture of it at one point and thought I posted it. I drove by (and into) all the entrances of the strip mall this weekend. I found one sign (next to KFC), improperly placed on a post under another sign, on one entrance only. Given that all the other entrances aren't posted, the one sign is done very inconspicuously and incorrectly, and also the language in the FCCL clean-up bill as it applies to parking lots: I would not consider the entire strip-mall posted. I feel comfortable continuing to shop at Wal-Mart, Dollar Store, Best Buy, etc... legally. If they wanted to actually post and prohibit, they would post the entrance to every store. Payless Shoes is posted, as is Jo-Ann Fabrics & HH Gregg. Those specific stores are disallowed. IANAL
Jeffrey Posted July 29, 2015 at 02:19 PM Posted July 29, 2015 at 02:19 PM Happy to be able to finally shop there. With the new parking lot rules, is oak brook mall now allowing us peasants to shop there and carry simultaneously? They post at the entrance of the parking but not into the stores. That tells me its ok to shop and carry.
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