TyGuy Posted March 12, 2015 at 06:59 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 06:59 PM http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/atf-raises-new-worries-about-ar-15-ammo/article/2561422#.VQHBOwMzGbs.twitter My favorite: Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:05 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:05 PM You can thank all the people leaving comments that it didn't have to be m855 to pierce vests but that all rifle rounds could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:23 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:23 PM And... They're NEVER "done", they wont be until we aren't legally allowed to own ANY firearm or ANY ammunition cartridge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:24 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:24 PM You can thank all the people leaving comments that it didn't have to be m855 to pierce vests but that all rifle rounds could do it.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:32 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:32 PM I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions. The remark was made at an appropriations hearing where he was justifying his $1.26 Billion budget request. His prepared statement (attached) doesn't mention it, so someone probably tired to put him on the spot during questioning.031215 ATF Director Jones Statement CJS.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:44 PM Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:44 PM You can thank all the people leaving comments that it didn't have to be m855 to pierce vests but that all rifle rounds could do it.Exactly. Doesn't really matter. They don't classify AP ammo by performance but by composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Destro Posted March 12, 2015 at 09:24 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 09:24 PM http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/daniel-zimmerman/congressional-dems-make-new-push-for-m855-ban/ Congressional Dems Make New Push For M855 Ban By Dan Zimmerman on March 12, 2015http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/carolyn-maloneyPS.jpgIf you’ve followed the fight to preserve Americans’ Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms for any time at all, you know the battle is never truly “won.” Pro-freedom advocates engage in a perpetual game of civilian disarmament whack-a-mole, beating back universal background checks here, recalling anti-gun legislators there, then enacting preemption laws to counter local gun control laws back over here. Earlier this week, the pro-gun side took a small step forward with the news that after a deluge of negative comments and bipartisan congressional push-back, our friends at the ATF had withdrawn their proposal to ban 5.56 M855 “armor piercing” ammunition. But the congressional gun-grabber caucus isn’t taking the news lying down . . . As surely as the sun rises in the east, a rogue’s gallery of hoplophobic Capitol Hilll critters is pushing to the ATF to damn the torpedoes and ban the ammo no matter how much flak they may take. From thehill.com:Can anyone who opposed the M855 ban really be surprised?Congressional Democrats are pressuring the Obama administration to move ahead “swiftly” with a proposal that would ban a form of armor-piercing ammunition.In a draft letter first obtained by The Hill, Democrats are urging the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to use his “existing authority” to keep “dangerous ammunition out of our communities.”“We hope that the Bureau will swiftly review comments on the proposed framework and issue a revised proposal that will address the danger posed by handguns that fire 5.56mm and other rifle ammunition,” Democrats write in the letter.House Democrats in their letter say they are “very disappointed” that the ATF delayed the rule. The proposal, they say, is true to the spirit of the Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act, which Congress passed in 1986 to ensure that officers do “not face extreme safety risk from firearm technology.”Never mind the fact that the Fraternal Order of Police let it be known that the ban would have virtually no practical effect on crime or officer safety in the real world. After all, the goal here isn’t protecting beat cops. That’s just a transparent fig leaf. What the Carolyn Maloneys and Steve Israels of the world really want are fewer options and higher costs for America’s law abiding gun owners.“If law-abiding gun owners cannot obtain rifle ammunition, or face substantial difficulty in finding ammunition available and at reasonable prices because government entities are banning such ammunition, then the Second Amendment is at risk,” said a letter (to the ATF) signed by 53 Republican senators.Again, you probably knew that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Posted March 12, 2015 at 11:49 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 11:49 PM I would not be surprised if the ATF approved AR "pistols" so that common ammunition could be banned. An AR pistol is two feet long - hardly an easily concealable handgun.Besides, there are a number of single-shot pistols which shoot rifle ammunition. In the process, the ATF is simply ignoring (or deleting) parts of the law which define "armor piercing" bullets. This issue has all the earmarks of an Obama/Holder "investigation" - keeps all discussions behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted March 13, 2015 at 05:50 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 05:50 PM Well..they are doubling down... http://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/235531-dems-pushing-bullet-ban-legislation House bill would ban AR-15 bullet03/12/15 03:05 PM EDTDemocrats are pressing new legislation in the House that would ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition.Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing the Armor Piercing Bullets Act followingthe Obama administration’s decision earlier this week to withdraw a controversial proposal that would restrict 5.56 mm projectiles for M855 cartridges commonly used in AR-15 rifles.“Armor-piercing rounds like green tips should only be in the hands of military personnel or police officers, period,” Engel said. “There is absolutely no compelling argument to be made for anyone else to have access to them.”::Speier is also planning to introduce her own piece of legislation next week that would more broadly ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition. So with the successful pushback on the initial ATF ban, they are going full 'tard on this..I can't imagine anything getting passed, but it certainly further shines the portal into the 'brains' of dummycrats on 'gun control'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang31 Posted March 13, 2015 at 06:01 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 06:01 PM Yikes; http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/12/atf-raises-new-concerns-about-ar-15-ammo/ "In a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, ATF Director B. Todd Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police as more people buy the AR-15-style pistols." ""Any 5.56 round" is "a challenge for officer safety," he said. Jones asked lawmakers to help in a review of a 1986 bill written to protect police from so-called "cop killer" rounds that largely exempted rifle ammo like the 5.56 because it has been used by target shooters, not criminals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepercaprice1 Posted March 13, 2015 at 06:39 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 06:39 PM You can thank all the people leaving comments that it didn't have to be m855 to pierce vests but that all rifle rounds could do it.Exactly. I think they were well aware of that. I don't think any recent comments educated anyone. It's pretty common knowledge that most ballistic vests won't stop rifle rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk5 Posted March 13, 2015 at 07:06 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 07:06 PM You can thank all the people leaving comments that it didn't have to be m855 to pierce vests but that all rifle rounds could do it.Exactly. I think they were well aware of that. I don't think any recent comments educated anyone. It's pretty common knowledge that most ballistic vests won't stop rifle rounds. As per their little Branch Dividian Episode a few years back Opps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRJY Posted March 13, 2015 at 08:11 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 08:11 PM Well..they are doubling down... http://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/235531-dems-pushing-bullet-ban-legislation House bill would ban AR-15 bullet03/12/15 03:05 PM EDTDemocrats are pressing new legislation in the House that would ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition.Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing the Armor Piercing Bullets Act followingthe Obama administration’s decision earlier this week to withdraw a controversial proposal that would restrict 5.56 mm projectiles for M855 cartridges commonly used in AR-15 rifles.“Armor-piercing rounds like green tips should only be in the hands of military personnel or police officers, period,” Engel said. “There is absolutely no compelling argument to be made for anyone else to have access to them.”::Speier is also planning to introduce her own piece of legislation next week that would more broadly ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition. So with the successful pushback on the initial ATF ban, they are going full 'tard on this..I can't imagine anything getting passed, but it certainly further shines the portal into the 'brains' of dummycrats on 'gun control'...Something tells me she thinks the 2nd amendment is for hunting only and for the ruling class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningHP Posted March 13, 2015 at 08:39 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 08:39 PM http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/atf-raises-new-worries-about-ar-15-ammo/article/2561422#.VQHBOwMzGbs.twitter My favorite: Jones said all types of the 5.56 military-style ammo used by shooters pose a threat to police good thing they are immune to that "safe" 9mm, .45acp, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teufel Hunden Posted March 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 10:42 PM Here's a novel idea, how about thry put criminals behind bars and keep criminals from possessing guns? Then you won't have to worry about whether ammunition is armor piercing or not because the people who shouldn't have it, won't. Isn't the whole idea behind a ban that the BATFE is pretty much admitting that they are ineffectual at their core purpose so they just have to make it so nobody can have it (other than the criminals that will just smuggle it in over the border, because, you know, they are criminals...)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted March 13, 2015 at 10:57 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 10:57 PM So just how many police officers have been killed with " armor piercing " ammo going through their vests in the last 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted March 13, 2015 at 11:08 PM Share Posted March 13, 2015 at 11:08 PM Wait for it.....none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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