TyGuy Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM Share Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:42 PM http://gunssavelives.net/gun-industry/breaking-sig-responds-to-atf-brace-ruling-will-take-action/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:44 PM Share Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:44 PM Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:45 PM Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 at 10:45 PM http://justsomething.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/guns-replaced-thumbs-up-20.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted January 22, 2015 at 12:45 AM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 12:45 AM I saw some AK like thing the other day with a brace. It was the ugliest thing I've ever seen that fired bullets, but I think it would fit under the seat in my truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 22, 2015 at 03:16 PM Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 03:16 PM I saw some AK like thing the other day with a brace. It was the ugliest thing I've ever seen that fired bullets, but I think it would fit under the seat in my truck. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted January 22, 2015 at 03:56 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 03:56 PM Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a huge deal here, other than the ATF changing their mind on an issue. If you're weak and want the brace to be able to shoot one handed, then use the brace to shoot one handed. If you want an SBR, go through the motions and get an SBR. No offense, but I'd say probably 99% of people who bought the Sig brace simply wanted an SBR without all the hoops involved. Now the ATF is simply calling them out. Basically, people were being sneaky and got caught. /unsolicitedandprobablyunwelcomeopinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 22, 2015 at 04:53 PM Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 04:53 PM How does moving the firearm from one spot to another "redesign" it? Are pistols SBRs because I use two hands and a pistol is defined as a firearm designed to fire single handedly? Are pistols SBRs if I put the slide to my shoulder? If I put the AR pistol 1" off my shoulder it's a pistol and legal, but I move it 1" to touch my shoulder and I "redesigned" it somehow and now it's illegal? This sort of lunacy is what we should stop. You do not "redesign" a firearm by moving it without changing the physical layout of the firearm at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 22, 2015 at 05:06 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 05:06 PM I'm going to write the ATF a letter asking about the legality of placing my AR pistol with Sig brace against my crotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted January 22, 2015 at 05:41 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 05:41 PM I'm going to write the ATF a letter asking about the legality of placing my AR pistol with Sig brace against my crotch. By careful! Using their bassackwards reasoning, that would redesign your crotch into a shoulder, and you'd have an SBR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted January 22, 2015 at 06:07 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 06:07 PM A reasonable decision by the ATF now undermined by behind the scenes political pressure. That's what I am getting out of all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 22, 2015 at 06:09 PM Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 06:09 PM I'm going to write the ATF a letter asking about the legality of placing my AR pistol with Sig brace against my crotch. Search reddit with that question and prepar for some funny pictures, may not be safe for work though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted January 22, 2015 at 11:01 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 11:01 PM Yeah the ATF is gonna start following people into the shooting stalls and backyards now to catch people using the stock as an SBR lol. That's a joke. I guess if your gonna use it like that in self defense though you better make sure there's no witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted January 22, 2015 at 11:45 PM Share Posted January 22, 2015 at 11:45 PM I saw some AK like thing the other day with a brace. It was the ugliest thing I've ever seen that fired bullets, but I think it would fit under the seat in my truck. FIFY LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted January 23, 2015 at 01:41 AM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 01:41 AM If I go into a gun shop and shoulder all their brace equipped pistols would I have turned them all into SBRs? What does that mean for the shop's inventory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted January 23, 2015 at 02:04 AM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 02:04 AM I have to wonder if there is some Americans with Disabilities angle on this at some point as restricting where a gun touches the body assumes full physical function/strength and would create a ruling that could not be applied across all legal individuals without some discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:38 PM Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:38 PM If I go into a gun shop and shoulder all their brace equipped pistols would I have turned them all into SBRs? What does that mean for the shop's inventory?http://replygif.net/i/288.gif Please do that, and take video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:45 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:45 PM A reasonable decision by the ATF now undermined by behind the scenes political pressure. That's what I am getting out of all this. That was my thought too, they are 'cracking down' on anything they can with their rulemaking ability. The bottom line now is that the SBR situation has gotten so stupid, that the they just need to come off the NFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:46 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 04:46 PM If I go into a gun shop and shoulder all their brace equipped pistols would I have turned them all into SBRs? What does that mean for the shop's inventory?http://replygif.net/i/288.gif Please do that, and take video. volunteering to video, and post on youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted January 23, 2015 at 05:11 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 05:11 PM A reasonable decision by the ATF now undermined by behind the scenes political pressure. That's what I am getting out of all this. That was my thought too, they are 'cracking down' on anything they can with their rulemaking ability. The bottom line now is that the SBR situation has gotten so stupid, that the they just need to come off the NFAAgreed. And let's take suppressors off the registry while we're at it. Yep, another item that shouldn't be on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocFaberliss Posted January 23, 2015 at 05:13 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 05:13 PM A reasonable decision by the ATF now undermined by behind the scenes political pressure. That's what I am getting out of all this. That was my thought too, they are 'cracking down' on anything they can with their rulemaking ability. The bottom line now is that the SBR situation has gotten so stupid, that the they just need to come off the NFA Agreed. And let's take suppressors off the registry while we're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted January 23, 2015 at 09:58 PM Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 09:58 PM Also get back full auto please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:05 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:05 PM Also get back full auto please. +1 Also new production full auto please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:43 PM Since the Taurus Judge shoots shotgun shells doesn't that make it a sawed-off shotgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM Since the Taurus Judge shoots shotgun shells doesn't that make it a sawed-off shotgun?It doesn't have a shoulder thing that goes up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocFaberliss Posted January 23, 2015 at 11:43 PM Share Posted January 23, 2015 at 11:43 PM Since the Taurus Judge shoots shotgun shells doesn't that make it a sawed-off shotgun? Rifled barrel under .50" bore, so not an AoW or even a shotgun, no stock so not an SBR. Unless you hold it against your shoulder, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmHand357 Posted January 24, 2015 at 03:07 AM Share Posted January 24, 2015 at 03:07 AM Also get back full auto please. +1 Also new production full auto please. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd11201 Posted January 28, 2015 at 04:46 AM Share Posted January 28, 2015 at 04:46 AM tangentially related, you have to love BATFE (il)logic: You know, because using something in a way other than intended is redesigning it. So if it’s intended as a cool little flower pot/paper weight, that’s what it is, right? http://www.triangletactical.net/2015/01/27/ares-armor-99-lower-receiver-not-intended-to-be-a-firearm/ and http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/99percentlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM_50BMG Posted January 28, 2015 at 06:06 AM Share Posted January 28, 2015 at 06:06 AM Since the Taurus Judge shoots shotgun shells doesn't that make it a sawed-off shotgun?It doesn't have a shoulder thing that goes up! And lets not forget the best one regarding standard capacity magazines.............. she said " if they shoot all the bullets, they won't have anymore to shoot" Oh if I could only find that video clip............. Edit to add: Ahh yes, Rep. Diana Degette "“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted January 28, 2015 at 01:18 PM Share Posted January 28, 2015 at 01:18 PM Well, yes, they're magic mags ... once the bullets have been fired, the mags disintegrate, but not before putting an evil curse upon the owner, who will no longer be able to get himself to buy anymore bullets. That's a good thing, because that thing can never go up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 28, 2015 at 06:07 PM Share Posted January 28, 2015 at 06:07 PM I'm going to write the ATF a letter asking about the legality of placing my AR pistol with Sig brace against my crotch. NO! Don't do it because it will make them consider an AR pistol a birth control device and it will then be regulated by Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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