My Employers Added Rules

[Bubbacs]

Up front I know a lawyer has best advice, but like everyone I'm looking for opinions and thoughts.

But in my mind, I'm thinking that they can't add or rewrite the existing laws as they read!

But then again, I'm here and it's not clear as that.

 

I work at a food plant and they have the buildings posted......and there is not gray area there.

I was looking around for what the policy was on those with CCL's as for leaving the firearm in our cars.

And I found that they have listed/printed out the Illinois Law as it pertains to who can, why, and about Safe Harbour within our cars/parking lots of places that are posted.

 

BUT, the second page is a little confusing at best, and I'm not really digging the restrictions as such.

They start by stating the obvious, that we can not bring weapons/guns into the premises.

Unless of course the person has a CCL and then they may bring them into the parking lot as long as they are UNLOADED and in a locked container!

 

We are still subject to the violence in the workplace policies.

Subject to any language or threat in any manner actual or perceived.

They assume no liability for any damages or the results of our weapon/gun being stolen from our auto, to include any damage to our cars.

Any instance can lead to discipline up to termination.

(Yeah, since they would now KNOW I have a weapon/gun in my car!)

 

Then, I have to sign a policy permit form, hand over a copy of my CCL, check in every 30 days and state that I am still keeping a weapon/gun in my car, and IF my CCL becomes invalid I will notify them as soon as it becomes invalid.

 

Whew.......that's quite a lot.

 

But can't people without a CCL keep and transport a UNLOADED firearm in their auto?

 

Sorry for being so long.

[Marie]

Does your employer state in the handbook or signs at entrance to parking lot that employee vehicles are subject to search at any time?

[ScopeEye]

You work at a food plant...

 

Your employer requires you to provide copy of your CCL?

 

It's none of their business

[DomG]

I look at this like gun registration. Not going to comply. This has even less power, it can lead two your termination, but not incarceration. Another way to look at it- under what circumstances would they be allowed to search your car? Your call. But if you believe that sharing this info with them won't have a negative impact on you some day in some way, I have some ocean front property in Kansas that I will sell to you- cheap.

[Craigcelia]

You work at a food plant...Your employer requires you to provide copy of your CCL?It's none of their business

I agree. None of their business. Personally, I wouldn't tell them anything. Safe Harbor applies.

[Bubbacs]

Well in 25 years here, As far as I know, no one has every been searched entering or leaving the parking lots.

But then, that's not the answer you are looking for.

I'll have to check on that, good point I guess.

 

I'm not happy with showing my CCL or telling anyone that I carry.

Just seems counter to conceal and privacy.

[DomG]

Well in 25 years here, As far as I know, no one has every been searched entering or leaving the parking lots.

But then, that's not the answer you are looking for.

I'll have to check on that, good point I guess.

I'm not happy with showing my CCL or telling anyone that I carry.

Just seems counter to conceal and privacy.

It's YOUR call. Your job. I know my company policy and how I deal with it.

[Marie]

That's my point. If there's nothing in the handbook and/or signs in the parking lot indicating vehicles could be searched at any time, your choice.

[Mr. Fife]

Pop the magazine, slide out the bullet in the pipe and stick it back in the mag. Put gun and mag in locked glove compartment.

[thedriver]

If your employer wants to search your vehicle you can request a search warrant and your employer should honor request. Just because you are on your employers property doesn't give your employer the right to search unabated.

[Blackbeard]

This doesn't sound any different from all the other "can I keep a gun in my car at work" threads. Yes, you can legally keep it there, and yes, you might be fired if you don't follow the employer's rules. Your choice.

[WillT]

This doesn't sound any different from all the other "can I keep a gun in my car at work" threads. Yes, you can legally keep it there, and yes, you might be fired if you don't follow the employer's rules. Your choice.

 

Agreed. You might get fired/disciplined/raked over coals, but you won't get arrested.

 

Also, no way in heck would I consider handing over a copy of my FCCL. Because guess what? Under those guidelines (unloaded and in a container), you don't even need a FCCL.

[Bubbacs]

Ok

Sound advice

Didn't want to create a firestorm

I fully understand the employer has the right to fire me IF I break rules/policy.

Just struck me weird about the copy of the CCL and checking back in every 30 days.

 

I'll move on and not get fired.

Several have passed along ideas privately....thanks again.

With 13 months to go till retirement, I'll just rough it.

[spec5]

I am retired now but worked for an employer that is one of the 23 prohibited locations. I had my own assigned parking, but when I was going to the range or had firearms in the car I used street parking right in front of the business. No meters etc. So I was good to go. Not on their property so no problem. If that is not an option being in THEIR parking lot is a problem, however I wouldn't let them see my CCL. Before now have they ever asked for a copy of your FOID, DL, Marriage license, hunting License, etc. Seems like the Mothers got to them.

[DoverGunner]

Ok

Sound advice

Didn't want to create a firestorm

I fully understand the employer has the right to fire me IF I break rules/policy.

Just struck me weird about the copy of the CCL and checking back in every 30 days.

 

I'll move on and not get fired.

Several have passed along ideas privately....thanks again.

With 13 months to go till retirement, I'll just rough it.

I have to ask . Is your retirement a Company Plan ? If it is , would they benefit from dismissing/firing you before your official retirement ?

If losing your job has no bearing on your retirement Full Speed Ahead . If it does tread lightly my friend , I have seen companies Axe people just to screw them .

The only thing I would show them is my middle Finger (Hawaiian good luck sign) and my pale white tuckus after retirement is secured 1st .

[lee n. field]

If you vehicle is searched by your employer, I suspect your time there as an employee is very close to an end, anyway.

[Indigo]

One little addition: IF you choose to keep your firearm in your car, stop and disarm somewhere off the property (in fact, out of sight of the property). Don't even allow the possibility of being seen when arming/disarming.

[Hatchet]

As stated, I would just follow the FOID storage policy. Don't need CCL for that. But the risk is yours, not ours.

[slappy00]

I work in a food plant too in mgt so i know a little more of the "behind the scenes" stuff as it were:

 

 

1) THeres a new law that has nothing to do with the plant or its operations.

2) Someone who thinks that there will be shoot ups every day takes initiative and makes a stink about guns and whatever, adds minions, voice gets louder.

3) Boss doesn't care one way or the other, but feels s/he should makes some sort of policy to get the person(s) to shut it so everyone can back to working and not arguing.

4) Boss calls lawyer and says "yo, we need to add a provision for no guns to our handbook/policies so we can keep the peace here with our gun folks and our non gun folks"

 

The lawyer boilerplates some policy that looks scary on the surface but if you read it you'll notice 2 things:

 

a) It's largely completely voluntary ("Tell us if you are carrying")

Mostly unenforceable ("We won't search your things, or ask you")

 

5) Policy and handbook updated, people sign, loudmouths shut it, and everyone goes back to business.

 

We had a similar thing pop up here at our plant, luckily the president doesn't care and the VP is pro gun, so the policy is no guns, knives, that sort of thing in the plant; however no signs up and no searches/checkpoints. I am careful about concealment and just unholster at my desk and go about my day.

 

 

This is pretty standard for small business, but larger places (Inc.) can have more complex internal dynamics at work.

 

 

 

[Neumann]

There is nothing in the policy related by the OP that says you have to register your CCL with the company. As I read it, if for some reason a firearm were found in your car, you could produce your CCL to justify it.

 

The "unloaded" part may or may not be a misinterpretation of the law. Even our politicians seem to get that wrong, at least when they talk to the press.

[Xwing]

Well in 25 years here, As far as I know, no one has every been searched entering or leaving the parking lots.

But then, that's not the answer you are looking for.

I'll have to check on that, good point I guess.

 

I'm not happy with showing my CCL or telling anyone that I carry.

Just seems counter to conceal and privacy.

Seems like "don't ask, don't tell" should be the policy of the day. You may want to just never mention it to your employer (the CCL, the firearm in you car, etc...) If they search you car, the worst they can do is fire you. And if they're searching someone's car, that is probably already what they have in mind (since employment is at will, and one can be fired at any time.)

[Neumann]

A law signed by Quinn last year lets employers get an order of protection against terminated employees. That will get your FOID and FCCL pulled, and possibly your firearms as well. You don't have to actually threaten someone, they just have to testify that you pose a danger, and you have no opportunity to dispute the allegations..

 

That right is easily abused, and even more likely if the employer knows you have an FCCL.

[William8004]

What was that boss? Do I own any guns? Guns? I don't own any guns. CCL? Does that stand for...

 

Cable Consortium of Liberia

Cambridge Consultants Ltd

Carnival Cruise Lines,

Central Coalfields Limited

Christian Copyright Licensing

Convective condensation level

 

And that NRA sticker stands for National Restaurant Association

[TAS]

Just like everyone else said I wouldn't give them a copy of my CCL, Nor would I sign anything, And anything not issued by the company will need a search warrant it will then be followed up with a lawsuit afterwards.

 

Show up to work leave in car keep your mouth shut no one is the wiser. In my eyes there is no way they can prove there is a gun in my car.

 

Worst case get fired enjoy the vacation for 6 months