Vote-Switching Machine at Moline Polls

[Frank]

[GWBH]

What's the problem??

 

Man - that really stinks of corruption!

[singlecoilpickup]

I don't doubt that this is happening, but two things:

 

1. The user's finger is darn near on the line to the point where a small patch of skin may actually be touching the top box without the user realizing it.

 

2. If you understand how recognizing touch input works (which I don't expect most people to understand), it's actually pretty easy to make a mistake where the touch registration is slightly off. I'm going to assume the government, as always, hired the lowest bidder to implement the voting machines, so this is pretty much what you get from bottom of the barrel software engineers.

 

So, while the effect can be terrible, I think it's at least plausible that there's no foul play at hand here and rather an ill-effect from incompetence instead.

 

What they should do is split the voting lines much farther apart on the screen so that the chance of either of the two possibilities above is far less likely.

[kevinmcc]

Need constitutional ammendment requiring all ballots to be on paper so they can be manually count in the case of an audit.

These electronic machines need to go.

[Indigo]

The rally big question I have is why we are we not seeing any reports of ballots being switched from D to R? Anywhere in the country?

[ragsbo]

The rally big question I have is why we are we not seeing any reports of ballots being switched from D to R? Anywhere in the country?

 

That is the 65,000 dollar question!

[Tango7]

 

The rally big question I have is why we are we not seeing any reports of ballots being switched from D to R? Anywhere in the country?

That is the 65,000 dollar question!

 

Payback for Florida in 2000.

 

[Liberal] After 8 years of Shrub? Foxtrot you and your "rights" - we president now.[/Liberal]

[Frank]

I don't doubt that this is happening, but two things:

 

1. The user's finger is darn near on the line to the point where a small patch of skin may actually be touching the top box without the user realizing it.

 

2. If you understand how recognizing touch input works (which I don't expect most people to understand), it's actually pretty easy to make a mistake where the touch registration is slightly off. I'm going to assume the government, as always, hired the lowest bidder to implement the voting machines, so this is pretty much what you get from bottom of the barrel software engineers.

 

So, while the effect can be terrible, I think it's at least plausible that there's no foul play at hand here and rather an ill-effect from incompetence instead.

 

What they should do is split the voting lines much farther apart on the screen so that the chance of either of the two possibilities above is far less likely.

 

 

I agree 100% with the last line of your post. I don't think this is intentional vote fraud, but I do believe it is incompetence and arrogance.

 

There is a hearing today for a lawsuit filed by the GOP asking the court to force the County Recorder to recalibrate all the voting machines before the polls open.

 

-- Frank

[BIGDEESUL]

That's why I prefer the paper ballots.

 

It's too easy to mess with electrons.

[miztic]

 

I don't doubt that this is happening, but two things:

 

1. The user's finger is darn near on the line to the point where a small patch of skin may actually be touching the top box without the user realizing it.

 

2. If you understand how recognizing touch input works (which I don't expect most people to understand), it's actually pretty easy to make a mistake where the touch registration is slightly off. I'm going to assume the government, as always, hired the lowest bidder to implement the voting machines, so this is pretty much what you get from bottom of the barrel software engineers.

 

So, while the effect can be terrible, I think it's at least plausible that there's no foul play at hand here and rather an ill-effect from incompetence instead.

 

What they should do is split the voting lines much farther apart on the screen so that the chance of either of the two possibilities above is far less likely.

 

 

I agree 100% with the last line of your post. I don't think this is intentional vote fraud, but I do believe it is incompetence and arrogance.

 

There is a hearing today for a lawsuit filed by the GOP asking the court to force the County Recorder to recalibrate all the voting machines before the polls open.

 

-- Frank

 

 

Recalibrating the machine should be standard practice when they're set up.

It does look like a calibration issue, if they were going to steal votes, I don't think showing the user you're doing it is the way to go.

[BIGDEESUL]

 

 

 

 

I don't doubt that this is happening, but two things:

 

1. The user's finger is darn near on the line to the point where a small patch of skin may actually be touching the top box without the user realizing it.

 

2. If you understand how recognizing touch input works (which I don't expect most people to understand), it's actually pretty easy to make a mistake where the touch registration is slightly off. I'm going to assume the government, as always, hired the lowest bidder to implement the voting machines, so this is pretty much what you get from bottom of the barrel software engineers.

 

So, while the effect can be terrible, I think it's at least plausible that there's no foul play at hand here and rather an ill-effect from incompetence instead.

 

What they should do is split the voting lines much farther apart on the screen so that the chance of either of the two possibilities above is far less likely.

 

 

 

 

I agree 100% with the last line of your post. I don't think this is intentional vote fraud, but I do believe it is incompetence and arrogance.

 

There is a hearing today for a lawsuit filed by the GOP asking the court to force the County Recorder to recalibrate all the voting machines before the polls open.

 

-- Frank

 

 

 

 

Recalibrating the machine should be standard practice when they're set up.

It does look like a calibration issue, if they were going to steal votes, I don't think showing the user you're doing it is the way to go.

Actually, showing the voter and having them not notice or realize it is the best way to do it. If not caught, it looks legit. If caught (as what happened), it's a "calibration error", and no wrongdoing.

 

It's the perfect way to do it if you think about It.

[Xwing]

Dirty politics by the Dems. This is normal. Hey, a bunch of your dead relatives are going to vote for the Dem. We might as well make you too..

[richp]

Hi,

 

Look, the real worry isn't this stupid visible stuff in onesie-twosie quantities.

 

Massive numbers votes are committed to a stream of electrons going to a server somewhere. And they wind up being fed to a tallying program that is available for partisan tinkering. That's the real vulnerability of these electronic systems.

 

FWIW.

Rich Phillips

[BobPistol]

The rally big question I have is why we are we not seeing any reports of ballots being switched from D to R? Anywhere in the country?

 

Because there is this nice little 1983 court case

[Hatchet]

thats why i have a touch screen pen that I will be bringing with. There will be no argument that I'm not touching the right spot.

[captainskullet]

interesting tidbit here....

 

I actually had a paper ballot this am in Moline.

[gasgunner]

I actually has a choice between paper and electronic here in Warren County

[TRJ]

At my polling place nobody wanted to use the electronic box. We waited all for paper booths instead.

[ragsbo]

We do not have a choice, it is paper or nothing around here!

[kk5]

At my polling place nobody wanted to use the electronic box. We waited all for paper booths instead.

Same here

[03rev]

I wonder why they say they were voting at the library? I voted at the church right across the street and the library wasn't a polling place this year.

 

And we didn't get a choice of touch screen\paper because they only had paper ballots.

[Hatchet]

my touch screen worked perfectly. I was watching it closely. No calibration issues.

[domin8]

my touch screen worked perfectly. I was watching it closely. No calibration issues.

And there lies the reason why Quinn lost, but won't concede. He can't believe the machines worked as they were suppose to.