Muslim free gun range

[bfreeman]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-free-gun-range-arkansas-160333108.html This lady is standing by her guns, even as Eric Holder gets involved.

[Elmer Fudd]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-free-gun-range-arkansas-160333108.html This lady is standing by her guns, even as Eric Holder gets involved.

This is easily as repugnant as joining a social club run by the KKK....without regard to the underlying legality.

[Capt_Destro]

duplicate, but honestly she is a heck of a ******* for having that policy.

[Smallbore]

I will gladly stand by her.

[Tompo]

I will gladly stand by her.

 

I will gladly stand by her.

 

 

You gladly stand by someone who openly discriminates?

[Elmer Fudd]

 

I will gladly stand by her.

 

I will gladly stand by her.

 

 

You gladly stand by someone who openly discriminates?

 

I feel the same way....it is no better than watching a bunch of Klan members burning a cross on the lawn of an African American family that moves into a neighborhood. Blatant discrimination at that level is absolutely vile...hopefully rather than merely imposing a civil sanction a way to aggressively prosecute the woman criminally can be found and undertaken. Its not an issue of personal choice any more than a restaurant owner setting up segregated bathrooms and drinking fountains would be today.

[Smallbore]

It a free country. Stick your head in the sand. The enemy likes you in that position.

[singlecoilpickup]

Not everybody who practices Islam is "the enemy." Thinking that way is, quite frankly, rather ignorant and only serves to fuel the anti-American fire.

 

There's plenty of places where the Bible commands Christians to kill in the name or religion also. Most Christians have just chosen not to adhere to those recommendations. Likewise, the vast majority of Muslims equally ignore the parts of the Koran that recommend murder as a way of life. The only difference is that there's still a sizable population of Muslims who kill and use those verses as an excuse.

[Lowbrid]

Fundamentalism is the problem- not Islam.

[TimGiblin]

Fundamentalism is the problem- not Islam.

that's like saying the roman Catholic church wasn't the problem during the cruesades just the fundamental ists

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

[Elmer Fudd]

It a free country. Stick your head in the sand. The enemy likes you in that position.

It isn't a free country to violate the civil rights of others...if that suits you...perhaps North Korea would be a better fit for your views.

[Lowbrid]

 

Fundamentalism is the problem- not Islam.

that's like saying the roman Catholic church wasn't the problem during the cruesades just the fundamental ists

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

 

Not sure I get your point. So Christians are also capable of promoting/performing redonkulous acts of violence?

[Elmer Fudd]

Not sure I get your point. So Christians are also capable of promoting/performing redonkulous acts of violence?

 

 

The capacity to engage in inhuman acts of violence is present in every and any religion..just as are acts of extreme bravery and kindness. The notion that one religion or another has a predisposition towards violence is certainly ignorant if not outright bigoted. How about another example..Baruch Goldstein, an Orthodox Jewish doctor machine gunned 28 muslims to death and injured another 125+ while they were praying in a mosque. He is just as vile and despicable as any ISIS terrorist that you could possibly find. Anyone that can't distinguish between the acts of individuals and an established major religion as a whole has real issues.

 

 

 

[Lowbrid]

 

Not sure I get your point. So Christians are also capable of promoting/performing redonkulous acts of violence?

 

 

The capacity to engage in inhuman acts of violence is present in every and any religion..just as are acts of extreme bravery and kindness. The notion that one religion or another has a predisposition towards violence is certainly ignorant if not outright bigoted. How about another example..Baruch Goldstein, an Orthodox Jewish doctor machine gunned 28 muslims to death and injured another 125+ while they were praying in a mosque. He is just as vile and despicable as any ISIS terrorist that you could possibly find. Anyone that can't distinguish between the acts of individuals and an established major religion as a whole has real issues.

 

 

 

 

Completely agreed and is related to the point I was trying to make. I'm trying to get a clarification of Giblin's seeming challenge to my earlier claim.

[Smallbore]

This range is not violating anyone civil rights. As a private business owner she is determiningg who she will work for. This is her civil right. I would trust that those who criticise her are not the same ones who advocate private business owners right to forbid individual workers their 2A right to possess a gun at work.

Bringing up the KKK is poor deflection. It is both the KKK and Islam that promotes violence against the innocent. Both groups have their silent supporters who obviously do nothing to stop the violence. All Islam promote its extremist, anti women Shira Law (spelling probable wrong).

We resently saw extremist anti Jewish protestors in New York. Where are the so called peaceful Islam counter protestors.

Remember that this lady range owner is not the one advocating violence.

It is the muslims who declared war.

[BrowningHP]

All Islam promote its extremist, anti women Shira Law (spelling probable wrong).

 

the muslims who declared war.

Where did you hear that lie?

 

What do you feel about US soldiers who are Muslims fighting for your freedom?

[Elmer Fudd]

This range is not violating anyone civil rights. As a private business owner she is determiningg who she will work for. This is her civil right. I would trust that those who criticise her are not the same ones who advocate private business owners right to forbid individual workers their 2A right to possess a gun at work.

Bringing up the KKK is poor deflection. It is both the KKK and Islam that promotes violence against the innocent. Both groups have their silent supporters who obviously do nothing to stop the violence. All Islam promote its extremist, anti women Shira Law (spelling probable wrong).

We resently saw extremist anti Jewish protestors in New York. Where are the so called peaceful Islam counter protestors.

Remember that this lady range owner is not the one advocating violence.

It is the muslims who declared war.

It most certainly is a civil rights issue..unless perhaps you are suggesting that a private business owner that operates a restuarant would be permitted to reestablish "colored" drinking fountains and restrooms. I can guarantee that wouldn't be tolerated. Further, if a private business owner chooses to prohibit the carry of concealed firearms on his/her property they most certainly have the right to do so. The notion that one would equate all of Islam with the KKK which is clearly a hate group is nothing short of absurd, its unimaginable that a sane person could even believe that. The range owner may not be overtly advocating violence but she certainly is suborning hate and a vile form of prejudice. Sorry.....there isn't a scenario where this woman's conduct is acceptable period.

[TyGuy]

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[TomKoz]

Why is religion / faith a civil right?

 

Religion / faith is a choice.

 

What makes a religion?

 

If 2 people share some unconventional beliefs do They make a religion?

Or do you need 20 people, 500 people, 50,000 people to share that same belief before it is a religion??

 

Is it a civil right violation to discriminate (treat somebody differently) for what ever beliefs they CHOOSE to have??

 

Then Everyone is guilty of "civil rights" violations !

[Prairie Pucker]

Not everybody who practices Islam is "the enemy." Thinking that way is, quite frankly, rather ignorant and only serves to fuel the anti-American fire.

 

There's plenty of places where the Bible commands Christians to kill in the name or religion also. Most Christians have just chosen not to adhere to those recommendations. Likewise, the vast majority of Muslims equally ignore the parts of the Koran that recommend murder as a way of life. The only difference is that there's still a sizable population of Muslims who kill and use those verses as an excuse.

 

In the Old Testament of the Bible God commanded his people, the Jews, to kill as part of setting up the Jewish nation. Since there were no Christians in those times, I think you've got your facts wrong.

 

Following Christ's resurrection, the beginning of Christianity, show me where Christians were commanded to kill.

[Lowbrid]

Bah, these arguments always get derailed by "x religion is better than y religion" or "x religion is just as bad as y religion".

[Elmer Fudd]

Why is religion / faith a civil right?

 

Title II of the Civil RIghts Act of 1964 and Section I of the 14A to be specific.

[TomKoz]

What if someone's religion calls for them to discriminate (treat differently) those of another religion???

 

NOT allowing that person to discriminate would then be a civil rights violation !!!

[TyGuy]

What if someone's religion calls for them to discriminate (treat differently) those of another religion???

 

NOT allowing that person to discriminate would then be a civil rights violation !!!

We already deal with such interactions of rights. See assault, libel, and pretty much any crime of force.

[Elmer Fudd]

What if someone's religion calls for them to discriminate (treat differently) those of another religion???

 

NOT allowing that person to discriminate would then be a civil rights violation !!!

The person that was seeking to engage in a practice under their religion which would be a violation of the law would not be permitted and they would NOT be entitled to civil rights protection. The law in this country is very clear in that it does not protect illegal acts, nor does it permit that the exercise of a civil right which suborns illegal conduct. A slightly more extreme example...if one belonged to a religion that required one to murder their neighbor you would certainly NOT be permitted to assert that by precluding you from committing murder that your civil rights were being violated.

[domin8]

 

What if someone's religion calls for them to discriminate (treat differently) those of another religion???NOT allowing that person to discriminate would then be a civil rights violation!!!

Which religion doesn't promote discrimination? I have yet to find one.I maybe from Utah, and claim to be Mormon, but I do so in a very similar way to cultural Jews. One of the things I despise about Mormonism is how the members act like they are better than everybody else, but I've come to realize that no different than Catholics, Lutherans, Unitarians, Judaism, Atheism, Islam, Buddhism, etc, etc. What matters is the individual relationship each person his with their higher power. We will all be judged at some point, and I don't just mean by God. We get judged, and do some judging of our own, everyday. So what. Live and love as you see fit.

[TomKoz]

To kill or physically harm against the law I understand.

 

But if a your religion calls for you to just "treat differently" (discriminate), by NOT allowing that, wouldn't that be a civil rights violation?

[domin8]

 

What if someone's religion calls for them to discriminate (treat differently) those of another religion???

NOT allowing that person to discriminate would then be a civil rights violation !!!

 

 

The person that was seeking to engage in a practice under their religion which would be a violation of the law would not be permitted and they would NOT be entitled to civil rights protection. The law in this country is very clear in that it does not protect illegal acts, nor does it permit that the exercise of a civil right which suborns illegal conduct. A slightly more extreme example...if one belonged to a religion that required one to murder their neighbor you would certainly NOT be permitted to assert that by precluding you from committing murder that your civil rights were being violated.

Imo, this all depends on the judge hearing the case. For over 100 years polygamy was prohibited in this country. Earlier this year a judge in the 10th district ruled laws against polygamy are unconstitutional because of freedom of religion granted under the 1A. I think atheists could make one heck of an argument to legalize murder because its restriction is based on one of The Ten Commandments.

[borgranta]

She could use the same logic to ban all African-Americans by claiming that it is impossible to tell which ones are gang members or not by their appearance and therefore to ensure safety she will have to ban everyone that appears to be African-American. She could ban all Italians on the grounds that it is impossible to tell who is or is not mafia. She could ban all white people since it is impossible to tell which white person is a KKK member. There is no end to the people that she could ban she might as well just close down.

 

An alternative that she failed to realized is that she could put signs warning potential criminals and terrorists of any kind that they can expect to catch a bullet if they try anything illegal.

[domin8]

Like I said, it all depends on the judge. I think most would defer to the 14th Amendment.