Chicago Marathon?

[chislinger]

So my niece is running in the marathon this year. I understand that carry in Grant Park is a no-no, but what about the 26 miles of streets the race is run on? The closest category would be:

 

(10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle.

 

Does that apply to only the street the race is run on, or also the sidewalk where the spectators can watch?

 

This one has me befuddled.

[TyGuy]

Section © just stay on the sidewalk and only cross at designated crosswalks and stay CONCEALED

 

 

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[TyGuy]

Although if it's crowded, someone bumps into you, and calls the cops you might have a fun evening,

 

 

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[Scootaloo]

So my niece is running in the marathon this year. I understand that carry in Grant Park is a no-no, but what about the 26 miles of streets the race is run on? The closest category would be:

 

(10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle.

 

Does that apply to only the street the race is run on, or also the sidewalk where the spectators can watch?

 

This one has me befuddled.

 

Technically speaking the marathon is not taking place on the sidewalk so I don't think it would count any more than walking on the sidewalk in front of the Art Institute would be prohibited.

[spec5]

Although if it's crowded, someone bumps into you, and calls the cops you might have a fun evening,

 

 

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[danbrew]

My non-legal two cents is that this event falls squarely into the public gathering GFZ and would not personally carry there. But, hey, what do I know? Want legal advice, go talk to a firearms attorney vs. a bunch of yahoos on the internet (myself included).

[Pipedoc]

Personally, I would carry. I do not know if the event is a permitted event or not. Besides, I would be on a sidewalk somewhere any way. If it is a permitted event the onus is on them to post it.

[Mr. Fife]

Security will be tight, good luck.

[wtr100]

So my niece is running in the marathon this year. I understand that carry in Grant Park is a no-no, but what about the 26 miles of streets the race is run on? The closest category would be:

 

(10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle.

 

Does that apply to only the street the race is run on, or also the sidewalk where the spectators can watch?

 

This one has me befuddled.

 

 

tough cases make bad law

 

rule of thumb I was told by police that makes a lot of sense is if they block the street then a permit was pulled - them failing to post might or might not get you off

 

suspect in the end you'd get off but not w/o a lot of trouble and hassle

 

also I'd definitely not carry near the start / finish line - after Boston they're getting pretty tight on security

 

maybe the magical 'transport' mode - though I suspect if they detected you doing that you're going to spend at least a little time in handcuff

 

it is after all the CHICAGO marathon

 

but pays money and takes chances - and concealed IS concealed ...

[chislinger]

I think "transport mode" would be much riskier, as they will be searching backpacks and such. A patdown is far less likely.

 

I will not be on any streets that are blocked off. The sidewalks will not be blocked and businesses will be open as usual.

[wtr100]

Seems to me it could (and would in chicago) be argued the sidewalk is part of the 'gathering'

 

Tough question - good luck to the niece

[MJB]

I wouldn't risk it. Your choice of course. I suppose you could call ahead of time for a CPD interpretation of the "event". (Ha ha, good one!)

[TRJ]

Times like this call for an ankle holster or cargo pants/pocket holster. If someone bumps you in the crowd you aren't made. Of course, it does put your gun even closer to the ground for gun sniffing dog to discover. Might take that into consideration given Isis and Boston I'd expect serious security.

[atmosphere0284]

I am one of the guys that sets up the command / opperations tent where there are stations for local LEO, ATF, SWAT, bomb squad...etc. There will be oficers (uniformed and plain clothes) looking for anything and everything....my suggestion would be not to carry. it sucks but why take the chance...it is your choice in the end.

[TyGuy]

I am one of the guys that sets up the command / opperations tent where there are stations for local LEO, ATF, SWAT, bomb squad...etc. There will be oficers (uniformed and plain clothes) looking for anything and everything....my suggestion would be not to carry. it sucks but why take the chance...it is your choice in the end.

Interesting. I wonder what crime a licensed carrier on the sidewalk would be charged with.

 

Then again, I've heard that Cook County has pretty much given up prosecuting gun crimes lately.

[miztic]

I would think the sidewalk is part of the permitted event, they would have to prove that you're not just passing through and there to see your niece, in which case you are attending the permitted event and not allowed to carry.

 

If you're just passing through, you should be ok. My advice, don't piss off the cop [if you get made] so he'll start looking for a way to burn you.

[aka]

Security will be ULTRA tight. The chances that you will ned to use a sidearm are very very low. A handgun is of no use in the event of a bomb in the basket. If you are caught it will only create problems. My non-legal advice - don't carry.

[wtr100]

 

I am one of the guys that sets up the command / opperations tent where there are stations for local LEO, ATF, SWAT, bomb squad...etc. There will be oficers (uniformed and plain clothes) looking for anything and everything....my suggestion would be not to carry. it sucks but why take the chance...it is your choice in the end.

Interesting. I wonder what crime a licensed carrier on the sidewalk would be charged with.

 

Then again, I've heard that Cook County has pretty much given up prosecuting gun crimes lately.

 

QED -- Section 65 (10) - suspect it wouldn't stick but you'd get several hours to cool your heels while it got sorted out

 

(10) Any public gathering or special event conducted

on property open to the public that requires the issuance

of a permit from the unit of local government, provided

this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must

walk through a public gathering in order to access his or

her residence, place of business, or vehicle.

[DURTY1]

I will be running, sans firearm of course. Hope your daughter's run is successful!

 

I may be the oddest CCW/marathon runner. I do both barefoot, rarely at the same time.

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/lakeview-man-to-run-chicago-marathon-barefoot/

[TyGuy]

wtr - I already pointed out the section C exemption

[wtr100]

wtr - I already pointed out the section C exemption

who decides if he's spectating or traveling?

 

section C will be what gets you cut loose, section 10 is what they would use to hook you up I suspect

 

once again shows what a turd of a law we have - don't get me wrong - glad to have it but it still sucks

[TyGuy]

Agreed.

 

Deep cover. Tunderpants?

[wtr100]

Agreed.

 

Deep cover. Tunderpants?

WAY MORE INFO THAN I WAS LOOKING FOR.

 

skuze me I need to gouge out my mind's eye ...

[TyGuy]

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[TRJ]

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[chislinger]

Security will be ULTRA tight. The chances that you will ned to use a sidearm are very very low. A handgun is of no use in the event of a bomb in the basket. If you are caught it will only create problems. My non-legal advice - don't carry.

The bike ride to and from, some in shady parts of town, is my main concern. Uptown hs been bad lately as well as parts of Lakeview.

 

Pedal bike, not motorcycle.

[TRJ]

 

Security will be ULTRA tight. The chances that you will ned to use a sidearm are very very low. A handgun is of no use in the event of a bomb in the basket. If you are caught it will only create problems. My non-legal advice - don't carry.

The bike ride to and from, some in shady parts of town, is my main concern. Uptown hs been bad lately as well as parts of Lakeview.

Pedal bike, not motorcycle.

If you stick the the lakefront bike paths on the ride in I'd expect heavier than normal traffic from others with the same destination. Might be a safer way to get there than surface streets.

[lockman]

Seems to me it could (and would in chicago) be argued the sidewalk is part of the 'gathering'

 

Tough question - good luck to the niece

52 miles of gathering? Getting to sound like all crowded sidewalks can be public gatherings.

 

Do street performers need permits?

[Indigo]

 

I am one of the guys that sets up the command / opperations tent where there are stations for local LEO, ATF, SWAT, bomb squad...etc. There will be oficers (uniformed and plain clothes) looking for anything and everything....my suggestion would be not to carry. it sucks but why take the chance...it is your choice in the end.

Interesting. I wonder what crime a licensed carrier on the sidewalk would be charged with.

 

Then again, I've heard that Cook County has pretty much given up prosecuting gun crimes lately.

 

They'd start with Mopery with Intent to Gawk, to be followed by anything else they can think of and throw at the wall to see if it sticks..

[danbrew]

Personally, I would carry. I do not know if the event is a permitted event or not. Besides, I would be on a sidewalk somewhere any way. If it is a permitted event the onus is on them to post it.

 

Actually, don't think they are required to post it. They may (or may not), but it is a declared GFZ by statue. They do not have to be posted. The onus is on you to know that a public gathering for which a permit is pulled is a GFZ. How would you know a permit was pulled? Good question. But I'd rather not have to have that conversation with a judge. It would be an expensive conversation.

 

 

I would think the sidewalk is part of the permitted event, they would have to prove that you're not just passing through and there to see your niece, in which case you are attending the permitted event and not allowed to carry.

 

If you're just passing through, you should be ok. My advice, don't piss off the cop [if you get made] so he'll start looking for a way to burn you.

 

Take a closer look at the exemption - it says "this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle." So... are you accessing your residence or place of business? Nope. Where did you park? Gonna be hard pressed to explain how hanging out on the sidewalk watching the race would mean you were on your way to the car.

 

Do what 'ya what, but I'd say this is pretty clearly a GFZ.