Molly B. Posted January 8, 2016 at 04:56 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 04:56 PM Assault/battery this morning at the Lake Red Line station. Think I came out ok for 3v1, may post details in another thread. Both the male & female EMTs recommended CCW separately, then the ER nurse who checked me out did the same. Anyone have an attorney recommendation? If nothing else I'd like to see the surveillance videos. SOOOOO glad you are okay. Private message coming your way.
singlecoilpickup Posted January 8, 2016 at 06:34 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 06:34 PM Glad you're OK. But now we finally someone with standing. It's time.
tbrooks Posted January 8, 2016 at 06:37 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 06:37 PM It's not a coincidence that this happens more frequently near public trans stops....
ChicagoRonin70 Posted January 8, 2016 at 08:46 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 08:46 PM Assault/battery this morning at the Lake Red Line station. Think I came out ok for 3v1, may post details in another thread. Both the male & female EMTs recommended CCW separately, then the ER nurse who checked me out did the same. Anyone have an attorney recommendation? If nothing else I'd like to see the surveillance videos. Well, isn't that a surprise! Unable to carry a weapon on the CTA, someone eventually gets attacked by multiple assailants, and the emergency responders and treating medical personnel suggest that the victim carry a concealed firearm. Oh, the irony! Talk to the attorney who posted this thread: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=59365&hl= His profile can be found here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showuser=13738 I've talked to him off the board, and he knows his stuff on this subject like a legal wizard. If I have a Second Amendment court case, this is the guy I would hire.
BobbyT Posted January 8, 2016 at 11:22 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 11:22 PM Thanks guys, appreciate the support
RoadyRunner Posted January 8, 2016 at 11:37 PM Posted January 8, 2016 at 11:37 PM Glad you're OK. But now we finally someone with standing. It's time. Yes! Let's do this...
MrTriple Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:32 AM Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:32 AM Assault/battery this morning at the Lake Red Line station. Think I came out ok for 3v1, may post details in another thread. Both the male & female EMTs recommended CCW separately, then the ER nurse who checked me out did the same. Anyone have an attorney recommendation? If nothing else I'd like to see the surveillance videos.Forgive me if this makes me sound like a jerk, but I'm happy that we might now have a test case. And I honestly mean that. I rely almost exclusively on public transit, and also spend a lot of time around Lakeview because that's where my friends live. With the spike in crime in that area, it's upsetting that I couldn't carry if I had my license because of having to take public transit. Plus the mean-spirited side of me would love watching the yuppies freak out if concealed carry was legalized on public transit.
BobbyT Posted January 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM Posted January 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM I'm more than willing to be a test case, just don't know of anyone specifically working this case. I sent an email to the ISRA last week but haven't heard back, and I've also sent a message through the NRA website. If anyone has Todd Vandermyde's contact info, or another recommendation, I'd much appreciate it.
RoadyRunner Posted January 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 12:45 PM If anyone has Todd Vandermyde's contact info, or another recommendation, I'd much appreciate it.tvandermyd@aol.com
Molly B. Posted January 22, 2016 at 02:49 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 02:49 PM I'm more than willing to be a test case, just don't know of anyone specifically working this case. I sent an email to the ISRA last week but haven't heard back, and I've also sent a message through the NRA website. If anyone has Todd Vandermyde's contact info, or another recommendation, I'd much appreciate it.Pm sent.
McCroskey Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:41 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:41 PM I'm more than willing to be a test case, just don't know of anyone specifically working this case. I sent an email to the ISRA last week but haven't heard back, and I've also sent a message through the NRA website. If anyone has Todd Vandermyde's contact info, or another recommendation, I'd much appreciate it. Read Valinda's private massages, I'm sure she will help you find whatever you need. There's also the Second Amendment Foundation, they were a part of McDonald, so if you're a member maybe they're worth contacting as well. They do have free legal referrals for members.
McCroskey Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:44 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:44 PM And this case ought to be a winner. I can't see the chicken littles being able to successfully argue against carrying on transit with so much evidence of assaults and beatings. I hope we can finally have a test case. It would at least make something positive out of this crime committed against you.
Hipshot Percussion Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:55 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 03:55 PM Police warn of armed robberies at bus stops in South ShoreCHICAGO (STMW) - At least two people were robbed at gunpoint at CTA bus stops in the South Shore neighborhood last month.In both incidents, one to three males walked up to a victim waiting at a bus stop, pulled out a firearm, and demanded property, according to a community alert from Chicago Police. Both robberies happened Dec. 28, one at 5:12 a.m. in the 2000 block of East 79th Street; and the other about 12:45 p.m. in the 3000 block of East 79th Street, police said.The robbers are described only as young males. Anyone with information should call Area South detectives at (312) 747-8273.
singlecoilpickup Posted January 22, 2016 at 04:35 PM Posted January 22, 2016 at 04:35 PM "Young males." Ok.
C0untZer0 Posted January 27, 2016 at 02:59 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 02:59 PM CTA Crime down 25% in 2015 http://abc7chicago.com/news/cta-crime-down-25-percent-last-year-emanuel-says/1175503/
solareclipse2 Posted January 27, 2016 at 07:58 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 07:58 PM CTA Crime down 25% in 2015 http://abc7chicago.com/news/cta-crime-down-25-percent-last-year-emanuel-says/1175503/ I heard about that on the radio this morning and laughed hysterically.
C0untZer0 Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:09 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:09 PM Here are the numbers I came up with for 2014 using the Chicago Data Portal: 8 criminal sexual assaults attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2014. 7 criminal sexual assaults. 2 non-aggravated criminal sexual assault. 1 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a handgun 2 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a knife / cutting instrument 1 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving some other dangerous weapon 1 aggravated criminal sexual assault classified as “other” 1 attempted criminal sexual assault – involving a handgun One classification I overlooked in 2013 was “Sex Offense” because I thought it was covered under Sexual Assault. Sex offense is a difficult category to parse because it includes public indecency as well as criminal sex abuse. I'm including only the serious offense of attempted criminal sexual abuse, criminal sexual abuse and aggravated criminal sexual abuse. 28 cases of criminal sexual abuse attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2014. 26 cases of criminal sexual abuse. 24 cases of criminal sexual abuse 2 cases of aggravated cases of criminal sexual abuse 2 cases of attempted criminal sexual abuse 2 cases of stalking committed at CTA locations in 2014. 1 case of kidnapping child abduction by a stranger at a CTA location in 2014. 129 armed robberies or attempted armed robberies at CTA locations in 2014 122 armed robberies. 17 attempted armed robberies. 33 aggravated robberies or attempted aggravated robberies at CTA locations in 2014 32 aggravated robberies. 1 attempted aggravated robberies. 328 "strongarm" robberies or attempted "strongarm" robberies at CTA locations in 2014 299 "strongarm" robberies. 29 attempted "strongarm" robberies. Summary for robberies: 490 times people were targets for being forcibly robbed, 47 times the attempts were unsuccessful, 443 times people were robbed. 124 cases of serious assault or serious battery at CTA locations in 2014. 63 cases of aggravated battery involving aggravated battery of a senior citizen, a handgun, knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon. 75 cases of aggravated assault either resulting in serious injury or involving a handgun. knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon. https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-2001-to-present/ijzp-q8t2
C0untZer0 Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:14 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:14 PM Crime at CTA locations may actually be down. There may be a general perception among criminals that people are carrying on the CTA anyway.
bmyers Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:24 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:24 PM Here is some news articles on Metro link last year (Metro link serves southern Illinois Madison and St. Clair Counties): http://fox2now.com/2015/11/23/serious-crime-rising-on-metrolink-which-is-barred-from-having-its-own-police-force/http://www.kmov.com/story/30081925/safety-questioned-after-crime-allegations-along-metrolink-stopshttp://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/three-in-custody-in-attack-on-metrolink-rider/article_66b85fda-d782-5ba3-9bd3-35ac26859ff0.html
C0untZer0 Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:29 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 08:29 PM Here is 2013 with the addition of "Sexual Offense - Criminal Sexual Abuse" 1 homicide at a CTA location in 2013 5 criminal sexual assaults attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2013. 3 criminal sexual assaults. 1 non-aggravated criminal sexual assault. 2 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a knife / cutting instrument 2 attempted criminal sexual assaults, both non-aggravated. 18 cases of criminal sexual abuse attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2014. 15 cases of criminal sexual abuse. 11 cases of criminal sexual abuse 4 cases of aggravated cases of criminal sexual abuse 3 cases of attempted criminal sexual abuse 197 armed robberies or attempted armed robberies at CTA locations in 2013 184 armed robberies. 13 attempted armed robberies. 30 aggravated robberies or attempted aggravated robberies at CTA locations in 2013 28 aggravated robberies. 2 attempted aggravated robberies. 539 "strongarm" robberies or attempted "strongarm" robberies at CTA locations in 2013 496 "strongarm" robberies. 43 attempted "strongarm" robberies. Summary for robberies: 766 times people were targets for being forcibly robbed, 58 times the attempts were unsuccessful, 708 times people were robbed.
BobbyT Posted January 27, 2016 at 11:08 PM Posted January 27, 2016 at 11:08 PM Note that the stats in the ABC article specify "on trains and buses". Platforms (where mine happened), ticketing stations, parking lots, etc aren't included.
C0untZer0 Posted January 28, 2016 at 03:48 AM Posted January 28, 2016 at 03:48 AM One of the problems with trying to quantify CTA crime is that the crime must take place on or in actual CTA property for it to be assigned the "CTA" location code in the Chicago crime portal. So if someone is accosted on the sidewalk outside of a CTA station, or 10 feet from a CTA bus stop - the location is not noted as "CTA nnn", the location is noted as "SIDEWALK". Also, many parking facilities, while they are right next to the CTA and used almost exclusively by CTA patrons, are not actually part of the CTA. Even some parking facilities which say "CTA Parking" might not be CTA property, I'm assuming the CTA has entered into some revenue sharing scheme with the property owners or something. So if a person is victimized in a CTA parking lot - the crime might not have "CTA" as the location code, it will have the street address of the parking facility. Even though its not perfect, the data paints a horrible picture of victimization in on the CTA
C0untZer0 Posted January 28, 2016 at 05:01 PM Posted January 28, 2016 at 05:01 PM In 2014 the Chicago Data Portal began tracking a new type of crime called "CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE VIOLATION". There are three subcategories: 1) Armed while under the influence2) Prohibited Places3) Other An interesting statistic for the CTA is that for all of 2015, there was one arrest made for CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE VIOLATION - Prohibited Places, however there were 21 cases of "WEAPONS VIOLATION." Twelve cases of "UNLAWFUL POSS OF HANDGUN", 1 case of "UNLAWFUL POSS OTHER FIREARM", 8 cases of "UNLAWFUL USE OTHER DANG WEAPON"
solareclipse2 Posted January 28, 2016 at 05:37 PM Posted January 28, 2016 at 05:37 PM An interesting statistic for the CTA is that for all of 2015, there was one arrest made for CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE VIOLATION - Prohibited Places, however there were 21 cases of "WEAPONS VIOLATION." Twelve cases of "UNLAWFUL POSS OF HANDGUN", 1 case of "UNLAWFUL POSS OTHER FIREARM", 8 cases of "UNLAWFUL USE OTHER DANG WEAPON" So...they're saying one is not the other if the person does not possess a concealed carry license? I wonder what the details of that one concealed carry license violation. Can we FOIA those details?
C0untZer0 Posted January 28, 2016 at 06:48 PM Posted January 28, 2016 at 06:48 PM The WEAPONS VIOLATION charge in the Chicago Data portal refers to a UUW charge. The FCCA governs what happens when a licensee carries in a prohibited place.
C0untZer0 Posted January 29, 2016 at 02:23 AM Posted January 29, 2016 at 02:23 AM Here are the numbers for 2015: 12 criminal sexual assaults attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2015. 11 criminal sexual assaults. 6 non-aggravated criminal sexual assaults. 1 aggravated criminal sexual assaults involving a handgun. 1 aggravated criminal sexual assault involving a knife / cutting instrument 2 aggravated criminal sexual assaults classified as “other” 1 aggravated criminal sexual assault classified as “predatory criminal sexual assault” 1 attempted aggravated criminal sexual assault 15 cases of criminal sexual abuse attempted or committed at CTA locations in 2015. 14 cases of criminal sexual abuse. 13 cases of criminal sexual abuse 1 case of aggravated cases of criminal sexual abuse 1 case of attempted criminal sexual abuse 2 cases of stalking committed at CTA locations in 2015. 1 case of kidnapping child abduction by a stranger at a CTA location in 2015. 126 armed robberies or attempted armed robberies at CTA locations in 2015 114 armed robberies. 12 attempted armed robberies. 35 aggravated robberies or attempted aggravated robberies at CTA locations in 2015 31 aggravated robberies. 4 attempted aggravated robberies. 244 "strongarm" robberies or attempted "strongarm" robberies at CTA locations in 2015 215 "strongarm" robberies. 29 attempted "strongarm" robberies. Summary for robberies: 405 times people were targets for being forcibly robbed, 45 times the attempts were unsuccessful, 360 times people were robbed. 125 cases of serious assault or serious battery at CTA locations in 2015. 46 cases of aggravated battery involving aggravated battery of a senior citizen, use of a handgun, knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon. 79 cases of aggravated assault either resulting in serious injury or involving a handgun. knife/cutting instrument or other dangerous weapon.
tkroenlein Posted January 29, 2016 at 04:38 AM Posted January 29, 2016 at 04:38 AM You missed one stat Count... ZERO lawful self defense shootings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
C0untZer0 Posted January 29, 2016 at 06:45 AM Posted January 29, 2016 at 06:45 AM I made a cut & paste error in my written version of the stats for 2014. Here is a spreadsheet for the last 3 years: http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-3474-0-47274500-1454050087.jpg
C0untZer0 Posted January 29, 2016 at 03:48 PM Posted January 29, 2016 at 03:48 PM Here is a counter-story to Rahm's press conference claims: http://www.cwbchicago.com/2016/01/rahm-rithmatic-mayor-says-crime-is-down.html The numbers that they came up with for robberies and criminal sexual assault are close to the numbers I came up with. The numbers can change over time as charges are dropped or upgraded / downgraded. Their numbers for assault and battery are different from mine since I left out "domestic" My reasoning for leaving out domestic assault or battery is that an argument could be made that robbery and general assaults are a threat to all commuters, any and all commuters could be targeted by it while a domestic violence isn't a general threat to the average commuter. I don't think that an assault on an estranged spouse is considered domestic violence - I think that's straight assault or battery. Domestic violence that happens on CTA property could just as easily happen at the parties residence. I don't think these are cases where a person has gotten a protective order from a spouse which is violated on CTA property, although the way the mayor juggles these statistics it is possible. I also think the inclusion of burglary and arson in the article is a moot point for the average commuter. Burglary can refer to thieves breaking into CTA facilities to steal CTA property, it can also refer to thieves breaking into a car on CTA property - but there is no way to differentiate the cases using the Chicago Data portal. Arson could be any arsonist setting a fire on CTA property anywhere. The worst scenario would be an arsonist setting a fire inside a train or bus with passengers in it (I've never heard of an instance of this in news reports), but there is no way to differentiate the cases using the Chicago Data portal.
chislinger Posted February 9, 2016 at 08:02 PM Posted February 9, 2016 at 08:02 PM Man, woman charged with attacking paramedics on Red Line subway platform
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