Terry 9595 Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:14 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:14 PM I have been having classes of 20 or so students 2x a week since last October. But now it seems that the sign up for classes has slowed down. Is anyone else having this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:26 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:26 PM not really - but I run 4 - 8 folks at a time word of mouth so I'm maybe not a good indicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:52 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 03:52 PM We are getting reports from around the state that things are slowing just a bit. The initial rush may be slacking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milq Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:02 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:02 PM We (the college) have a 6 person minimum to run classes so that we can pay the range fees, etc. So far this year, we've cancelled 75% of the classes due to low enrollment. Granted, our pricing wasn't competitive at first, but we made the decision to drop the prices in March so were hoping to see more folks. The other issue is that we have been offering 3-4 classes per month (between 3 locations). We were seeing 3 folks sign up in one location, 4 in another, etc. so none of the classes were meeting enrollment. Got the word this morning that only 1 class per month will be offered now, so we should see some benefits where enrollment is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:12 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:12 PM Hopefully that means that people can go back to offering a mix of classes......I for one would love to see a big uptick in people signing up for PPITH, PPOTH and more advanced defensive classes to build their skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:12 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:12 PM There will likely be another rush when paper applications are accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:17 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:17 PM I was doing 10 per class a couple times a month, now doing 10 per class once a mont but im also getting some classes hosted for me so it washes out even. Also getting requests for private lessons and level two type stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:18 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:18 PM But...but...I thought some people were going to make an extra $30,000 to $60,000 teaching CCW classes on the weekends. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomme333 Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:51 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 04:51 PM classes might pick up if the state were realistic on the fees. we retired people just cant afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:02 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:02 PM But...but...I thought some people were going to make an extra $30,000 to $60,000 teaching CCW classes on the weekends. What happened? Everyone should have known the fast cash would be limited to the first 6-12 month rush, and not extend into the 2nd year... Anyone that thought the extra money flow was going to last longer was a fool... This is why there was so much whining when instructors like out of state were not approved at the same time as others, they knew the boat would sail without them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbrew Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:27 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:27 PM But...but...I thought some people were going to make an extra $30,000 to $60,000 teaching CCW classes on the weekends. What happened? lol. I'm a small guy, never planned on making any money at it. Did about 100 people - a lot of friends and family and then friends of friends, referrals, etc. Met a lot of nice like-minded people and helped folks get their permit. Good news is I paid for all of my gear, made a little (little) profit and came out of it in the black. I'll probably offer a class a month until I can't fill them any longer. There's a post here somewhere from me from back in the fall where I did all of the math and convinced myself there was no way to make any money at it - pretty true if you did it right - NRA student material, training tools, copies, insurance, etc. IMHO the only way to really make money at it is to have a cadre of instructors and a big classroom and marketing to fill the slots. Look at the guys like Gat Guns - they were (and maybe still are?) filling 50+ seat classrooms. They were at one point charging $300 per student. So... $15,000 per class? Sounds like a lot until you consider the cost of the classroom, building, etc. Gat recently made what must have been a several million dollar investment in their property - of course they'll depreciate that cost over years. Most of the instructors at there aren't at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGiblin Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:53 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 05:53 PM There will likely be another rush when paper applications are accepted.why? More than half the instructors are running classes of 4-8 and those instructors will help do applications. We bring 3 laptops to class and can do up to 9 applications for the elderly in the first hour after class. We tell everyone that when they call in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:02 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:02 PM There will likely be another rush when paper applications are accepted.why? More than half the instructors are running classes of 4-8 and those instructors will help do applications. We bring 3 laptops to class and can do up to 9 applications for the elderly in the first hour after class. We tell everyone that when they call in. you might be surprised - #1 and #2 son's offered to help folks do their on-line applications for $10 got a few takes but quite a lot of folks didn't even have e-mail address for us to send electronic copies of certificates. be interesting time once the hard copies are availible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:03 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:03 PM There will likely be another rush when paper applications are accepted.why? More than half the instructors are running classes of 4-8 and those instructors will help do applications. We bring 3 laptops to class and can do up to 9 applications for the elderly in the first hour after class. We tell everyone that when they call in. I doubt the Amish would apply digitally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:05 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:05 PM There will likely be another rush when paper applications are accepted.why? More than half the instructors are running classes of 4-8 and those instructors will help do applications. We bring 3 laptops to class and can do up to 9 applications for the elderly in the first hour after class. We tell everyone that when they call in. I doubt the Amish would apply digitally nor would they carry Is the paper app going to be much more than printed screen shots of the online ap that some state flunkey keys into the online app? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryware Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:35 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:35 PM It could be the weather (getting nice, almost summer). I took my class is December. If I had to do it now, I could not find the time. (honey-do, projects on the house, normal summer time home upkeep, family events (graduations!), etc.) That's why I like the winter months.. Except for having to shovel once in a while, there is not much to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:57 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 06:57 PM I wonder what the FOID fiasco cost me...I had run 24 students through in September before I got put in the penalty box......not that I am viewing this as a damage claim situation but it does put things in some perspective 7 months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssrkid86 Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:20 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:20 PM I agree. I think the cost of doing the entire process is a joke compared to other states. Granted, I expect nothing less from this horrid state. I also agree with Elmber Fudd and was thinking the same thing last week when I looked into a tactical pistol class for myself. I also hope, that those who choose to own a firearm continue to train and sharpen their knowledge and skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:28 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:28 PM I wonder what the FOID fiasco cost me...I had run 24 students through in September before I got put in the penalty box......not that I am viewing this as a damage claim situation but it does put things in some perspective 7 months later.Were the 24 students that you trained required to get retraining due to you becoming a revoked instructor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:33 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:33 PM I wonder what the FOID fiasco cost me...I had run 24 students through in September before I got put in the penalty box......not that I am viewing this as a damage claim situation but it does put things in some perspective 7 months later.Were the 24 students that you trained required to get retraining due to you becoming a revoked instructor? No they were NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:53 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 07:53 PM I wonder what the FOID fiasco cost me...I had run 24 students through in September before I got put in the penalty box......not that I am viewing this as a damage claim situation but it does put things in some perspective 7 months later.Were the 24 students that you trained required to get retraining due to you becoming a revoked instructor? No they were NOT. Good this proves that an instructor being revoked for an issue not involving training will not affect the students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted May 22, 2014 at 08:03 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 08:03 PM I posted that a couple months ago. It absolutely shouldn't have that result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted May 22, 2014 at 09:11 PM Share Posted May 22, 2014 at 09:11 PM It has slowed down around here for sure but we knew it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packy Posted May 23, 2014 at 04:38 PM Share Posted May 23, 2014 at 04:38 PM Last December I was doing 2 classes a week then 2 or 3 per month, now 1 per month. I just learned one of my competitors is slow also. I feel better now hearing all this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrlandInstructor Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:12 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:12 AM Any opinions on when or if things will pick up again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:22 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:22 AM My bet is that it picks up more than anyone is expecting when paper applications become available. Contrary to this forum there are a whole lot of OFWG's that aren't computer savvy. It should be interesting...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:28 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:28 AM Any opinions on when or if things will pick up again IMO things will not pick up. What you have now is what you have to look forward to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 12:39 AM I believe the rush is over. It may pick up if they allow more non-residents to apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom28 Posted June 7, 2014 at 01:08 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 01:08 AM It'll pick up when they lower the $150 app fee. I know a few people who just can't afford that and the training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cola490 Posted June 7, 2014 at 01:42 AM Share Posted June 7, 2014 at 01:42 AM So.....were did the 400,000 projected apps figure come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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