New (as far as I know of) anti-gun group in IL

[45superman]

I haven't even heard of the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV)--I've heard of the ICHV, of course, but this seems to be something else. I bet they get Joyce Foundation money, though, or will soon.

 

New Bi-Partisan Voter Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Laws to Reduce Gun Violence

 

The Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV), a project of Legal Community Against Violence, today announced in press events in both Chicago and Springfield the results of the largest and first-ever publicly released bi-partisan poll commissioned to gauge voters' attitudes about proposed changes to state gun laws. ICPGV is a new statewide coalition, representing law enforcement, the medical and public health communities, faith-based organizations, local and state policymakers and advocacy groups. It was formed to break the gridlock in Springfield on passing common sense laws to prevent gun violence and crime. From 1999 to 2004 guns killed 6,999 Illinois residents, including 1,039 children.

 

The results of the unprecedented statewide survey show overwhelming voter support statewide for six new gun laws to prevent these epidemic levels of gun violence. With respect to the sales of military style weapons, 8 in 10 Illinois voters favor a law to ban assault weapons, and 77% of voters support a law to ban powerful 50-caliber sniper rifles. "These polling numbers speak loudly and should trump the vocal but very, very small minority of voters represented by the gun lobby in Springfield," said Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart. "Military style assault weapons and powerful 50-caliber sniper rifles have no place in any community in Illinois. They are weapons designed for the battlefield, pure and simple."

 

Three of the proposed laws specifically address handgun violence. An overwhelming majority of voters (85%) strongly support laws requiring handgun dealers to obtain a state license, with no difference among Republicans (84%) and Democrats (86%). A proposal to require background checks on all handgun sales received strong support from 80% of voters and a law to limit handgun sales to one per person per month is either strongly or somewhat favored by 7 out of 10 of voters.

 

"The fact is that no community is immune from gun violence," said Gurnee Police Chief Bob Jones, past president of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police. "Gang related crime is spilling out of the cities. We need to be able to stop the flow of illegal guns by requiring state licensing just like we do for other businesses, and putting limits on handgun purchases to prevent the relatively small number of unethical sellers who supply these weapons."

 

Laws that would require greater gun owner responsibility are also favored by nearly all voters, with 86% strongly supporting a requirement that gun owners inform law enforcement if any of their guns are lost or stolen. Eight in 10 voters are also strongly in favor of requiring gun owners to lock their guns if there are children under age 18 in the household.

 

"For every person who dies from a gunshot wound, two others are injured by firearms. These deaths and injuries represent lives, families and communities shattered," said Susan Avila, RN, MPH, Department of Trauma, Cook County Stroger Hospital. "Medical professionals can only do so much. Studies show that we can prevent this needless and costly gun violence with laws that limit access to firearms."

 

Nina Vinik, Legal Director of Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV) added, "We have long known that these sensible policies are needed to address the problem of gun crime and violence in Illinois. Now we know that Illinois voters overwhelmingly agree."

 

The bipartisan team of Overbrook Research ® and Lake Research Partners (D) conducted the statewide poll of 603 voters, as well as additional surveys of 300 voters each (1,200) in four state senate districts. Support for the proposed gun laws was equally strong in all four districts, with majorities favoring each of the policies whether heavily Republican or Democrat.

 

More information about ICPGV, including policy fact sheets providing a brief analysis of each of the proposed changes to state law as well as the polling results can be found at http://www.icpgv.org/.

[Ashdump]

I live in the "state" and they did'nt survey me, or anyone I know for that matter :thumb:

[Federal Farmer]

They polled 4 IL state senate districts...I wonder which 4? What a BS poll.

[gunnmen01]

I feel dirtyfrom just visiting that site... what a joke...

 

 

gunnmen01

[sticks]

It appears to me, that ICPGV was created out of fear of "us", the pro-gun group; and is nothing more than a sham with nothing to back up their claims other than completely contrived statistics; regardless of their attempt to legitimize their poll.

[Ocellairs]

After receving Mollys email alert on this...I jumped the gun.

 

They have voice mail, and I already left my message to them. :thumb:

[45superman]

Wouldn't you know--it's Burt Constable who would start using that "poll" first.

 

‘Common sense’ and ‘common good’ target gun lobby

 

 

Standing next to a combat rifle that is 5 feet long, weighs 35 pounds and can blow holes through armor a mile-and-a-half away, Gurnee Police Chief Robert Jones wonders why civilians still can legally buy this weapon in Illinois.

 

“What do we need to wait for?” Jones says. “Do we need to wait for someone to shoot down a plane or a helicopter?”

 

A former president of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police, Jones is a leader in the push for what he calls “common sense” gun control.

 

“I’m not an anti-gun person,” says Jones, who notes that he owns guns and keeps them in his home. “I’m a pro-common sense person.”

 

According to a survey released Wednesday, Jones echoes the sentiments of most Illinois voters.

 

“The voting public in Illinois wants common sense gun laws now,” says Robyn Thomas, executive director of Legal Community Against Violence, a public interest law center dedicated to reforming gun laws and preventing gun violence.

 

A statewide survey suggests that voters overwhelmingly want to ban that .50-caliber rifle and semi-automatic assault weapons, limit the sales of handguns, regulate all gun sales, mandate criminal background checks for all people who buy guns, require safe storage of weapons in homes with children, and require gun owners to report the loss or theft of any weapon.

 

Those ideas aren’t new, says Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart, who introduced many similar gun-control bills during his 11 years as a state legislator in Springfield.

 

“I got beat year in and year out, and it was a very vocal minority who did it,” says Dart, who notes that he is a gun-owner and hunter.

 

In “the insanity of Springfield,” the will of constituents used to lose out to the power of the gun lobby, Dart says.

 

With this new poll, politicians who continue to vote against the public’s desire for tougher gun laws won’t be re-elected, Dart predicts.

 

“This is the ammunition you have to do this,” Dart says of the survey’s power to persuade politicians that voters want elected officials who support gun control.

 

“They need to get on board with the program,” Jones says.

 

Not voting for a gun ban, state Sen. John J. Millner, a former police chief who coincidentally partnered with Jones during their days with the Elmhurst Police Department, says the public just needs to be better informed about a gun that has not been used by criminals.

 

“It’s a smart move for me politically to ban the .50-caliber gun, but it’s wrong,” argues Millner, a Carol Stream Republican who says he knows law-abiding citizens who own those guns. While he says he supports some gun control, such as closing loopholes that allow “straw” purchase of guns that then are sold to felons, Millner says the proposed gun bans are a mistake.

 

“Because it sounds politically sexy, we’re going to ban something and create felons,” Millner says.

 

State Rep. James H. Meyer, a Naperville Republican, says .50-caliber guns should be legal. The politically popular idea of “let’s ban something that hasn’t been a problem because it could be a problem” doesn’t do anything to stop criminals, Meyer says, adding that Chicago’s ban on handguns didn’t stop handgun crime.

 

The survey suggests voters disagree with those arguments, which are favorites of the gun lobby. Instead, leaders from law enforcement, medicine and faith-based organizations who announced the poll results say the public wants “common sense” gun control.

 

“I’d like to go a step further. It’s a matter of common good,” says the Rev. Robert Oldershaw, a Roman Catholic priest at St. Nicholas Church in Evanston.

 

Having counseled many families devastated by gun violence, Oldershaw stands next to Steve Young, whose 19-year-old son, Andrew, was shot dead in 1996 by a fellow parishioner now in prison for that murder. Their story was made into a documentary titled “A Justice That Heals.”

 

While saying that he supports the right to bear arms, Oldershaw insists “morality” compels politicians to consider “the common good.”

 

With gun-control bills working their way through Springfield, we’ll soon see how politicians respond to that appeal, and to the voter survey results.

[Molly B.]

Daily Herald Editorial Columnist, Burt Constable, is the first to jump on the "statewide poll" conducted by the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV), with his editorial ‘Common sense’ and ‘common good’ target gun lobby.

 

The Daily Herald needs to know that this "statewide poll" did not poll me and you. Let's give them a call and do our own poll!

 

You can respond directly to Burt Constable by emailing bconstable@dailyherald.com

 

The Daily Herald wants to hear what you think! Email: news@dailyherald.com.

 

Contact their office here:

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[Lou]

I just did a little research on the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV).

 

The first thing that struck me is Evanston is in the 708 area code and the phone number given is 773 - a Chicago number.

 

Checking further I found that the phone number, 773.885.2726, is a Sprint cell phone.

 

Does anyone besides me wonder why they use a PO box instead of a real address and a cell phone instead of a landline?

 

My suspicious nature tells me this is a shell organization.

 

Contact Information

Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV)

A Project of Legal Community Against Violence

P.O. Box 7077

Evanston, Illinois 60204

773.885.2726

info@icpgv.org

[45superman]

I think that suspicion is well founded.

[Lou]

My e-mail to them is below.

Like my new title? Hey, I live in a community and I'm an activist, right?

 

All these other "activists" are self titiled so why not me?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

After reviewing your recent poll I am reminded of an adage I learned in grad school:

"Liars make numbers and numbers make liars."

 

Anyone with the ability to think and process information would see that the poll is biased and was crafted to elicit a prearranged outcome.

 

You guys must not be sure of your facts to stoop so low.

 

Lou XXXXXX

Community Activist

[RichardM]

why not blow them out of the water as a shell organization to the media....and the politicians using their facts as stupid politicians taking talking points from shell organizations with political motives

[45superman]

I bet they get Joyce Foundation money, though, or will soon.

It seems I was at least indirectly correct. From ICPGV's website:

Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV), a project of Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV) . . .

 

And from the Joyce Foundation's grant list:

Legal Community Against Violence

 

San Francisco, CA

Amount: $125,000.00

Length: 18 mos.

Web URL: www.lcav.org

 

To provide legal assistance to state and local policy makers and advocates working on gun violence prevention measures and to launch a national membership program for lawyers.

[gravyboy77]

I bet they get Joyce Foundation money, though, or will soon.

It seems I was at least indirectly correct. From ICPGV's website:

Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (ICPGV), a project of Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV) . . .

 

And from the Joyce Foundation's grant list:

Legal Community Against Violence

 

San Francisco, CA

Amount: $125,000.00

Length: 18 mos.

Web URL: www.lcav.org

 

To provide legal assistance to state and local policy makers and advocates working on gun violence prevention measures and to launch a national membership program for lawyers.

Dang 45, Your good!

[45superman]

Dang 45, Your good!

I don't know about that--it seems that what I am is in the wrong line of work. Lobbying against gun rights seems to be where all the money is .

[Ocellairs]

Based on 45 links.

 

Here are the poll results.

 

Here are the groups they mention.

 

..what is interesting is only 26% of voters surveyed are gun owners, members of the NRA, hunters and/or FOID cardholders.

[45superman]

Argghh! Somehow I missed the link that had the specific wording of the poll questions. In my blog, I said they didn't reveal that information. Oops. Thanks for pointing that out, Oc--I've gone back and corrected my blog.

[Federal Farmer]

All 4 senate districts are north of I80.

[Ashdump]

All 4 senate districts are north of I80.

in my best gomer pyle voice, ahem, Surprise Surprise Surprise

[Lou]

All 4 senate districts are north of I80.

I just sent an e-mail to jeff.riley@icpgv.org

 

Think it's too srcastic?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Policy Makers?

 

I couldn't help but notice that all of them are from north of I-80.

If you're trying to make policy for ALL of Illinois, shouldn't your policy makers represent ALL of Illinois ?

 

OOPS, never mind, that might be fair.

 

Lou

[Ashdump]

All 4 senate districts are north of I80.

I just sent an e-mail to jeff.riley@icpgv.org

 

Think it's too srcastic?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Policy Makers?

 

I couldn't help but notice that all of them are from north of I-80.

If you're trying to make policy for ALL of Illinois, shouldn't your policy makers represent ALL of Illinois ?

 

OOPS, never mind, that might be fair.

 

Lou

sounds "fair" to me Lou

[RacerDave6]

All 4 senate districts are north of I80.

I just sent an e-mail to jeff.riley@icpgv.org

 

Think it's too srcastic?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Policy Makers?

 

I couldn't help but notice that all of them are from north of I-80.

If you're trying to make policy for ALL of Illinois, shouldn't your policy makers represent ALL of Illinois ?

 

OOPS, never mind, that might be fair.

 

Lou

Hi all, longtime lurker, first time poster.

Their own poll statistics point to the fact that was taken in a 'high rent' area.

50% Republican

56% Graduated college or Post grad degree

30% Total family income $100k or more(with 25% that refused to answer or didn't know)

87% White

ONLY 14% with FOID

5% with a hunting licence

13% own a firearm

No offence to our brothers in S. IL, but those kind of numbers point directly to affluent suburbs of the state.

The states median income 3 year average for 2003-2005 is 47,978 as reported here

 

Maybe that chief in Gurnee should look at these statistical facts before he continues spouting off about that which he appears to know nothing of.

 

Dave

[45superman]

Good points, Racer--and welcome aboard.

[gravyboy77]

Welcome to the forum RacerDave!

[Ocellairs]

...still no reply to my email.

[Lou]

Nor mine, not that I expected one.

 

I left them a voice mail on that wasn't returned either.

This is just a shell organization.

[Ashdump]

Nor mine, not that I expected one.

 

I left them a voice mail on that wasn't returned either.

This is just a shell organization.

I agree, I think they have dropped in to stir the pot, and then zoom on out.

[Lou]

I just got this reply to one of the e-mails I sent.

Even their e-mail address is phony!!!

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

This is the Postfix program at host fallback.us4.outblaze.com.

 

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not

be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

 

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can

delete your own text from the attached returned message.

 

The Postfix program

 

<info@icpgv.com>: icpgv.com: Name or service not known

[Ashdump]

ah ha! Sad thing is, the liberals will listen to them over 1200 of us

[gravyboy77]

The gun goobers are all over this poll. Here is another article about this from the lake county news-sun that supposedly has support from the national wild turkey federation:

 

Lake County Outdoors Assault-weapon ban loaded with some local ammunition

 

March 22, 2007

THE NATIONAL WILD Turkey Federation put out an alert recently on new gun laws being proposed for Illinois.

 

And this week, the initiative went public.

 

Called the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, it is a project of Legal Community Against Violence that started in California.

 

It is a coalition of law enforcement (Gurnee Police Chief Robert Jones and Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart), the medical and public health communities, faith-based organizations, local and state policy-makers and advocacy groups.

What they aim to do is reinstate the assault weapons ban that was not renewed by congress and President George Bush, and ban large-capacity ammunition magazines -- some of which can hold 100 rounds of ammunition.

 

They also want to ban .50 caliber rifles, which they say are military firearms used by armed forces across the globe.

 

Other issues they want to address include requiring background checks of private handgun transfers, licensing handgun dealers, restricting bulk handgun sales to deter illegal trafficking, requiring safe storage of firearms in the homes of children under 18, and requiring gun owners to report lost or stolen firearms.

 

At their press conference, they released a poll that said there is strong support for these measures among the general population. With respect to the sales of military style weapons, 8 in 10 Illinois voters favor a law to ban assault weapons, and 77 percent of voters support a law to ban powerful .50-caliber sniper rifles.

 

A proposal to require background checks on all handgun sales received strong support from 80 percent of voters and a law to limit handgun sales to one per person per month is either strongly or somewhat favored by 7 out of 10 of voters.

 

"The fact is that no community is immune from gun violence," said Gurnee Police Chief Bob Jones in a press release. He is past president of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police.

 

"Gang-related crime is spilling out of the cities. We need to be able to stop the flow of illegal guns by requiring state licensing just like we do for other businesses, and putting limits on handgun purchases to prevent the relatively small number of unethical sellers who supply these weapons," he said in the release.

 

The Legal Community Against Violence was formed after a July 1, 1993 incident in which a man armed with two assault weapons and a .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol shot 14 people in San Francisco before turning a gun on himself.

 

Let the discussion begin.