mjw45 Posted February 26, 2014 at 07:38 AM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 07:38 AM Has anyone used their IL Concealed Carry Training to successfully apply for an Arizona concealed carry permit?I was just contacted by a student who was rejected by AZ for a permit, stating that he needed an NRA trainer number.He only took the day 2 class (military exempt).I told him he could just send in a copy of his DD214, not sure why he tried his IL certificate, but from what I see of the requirements it should be accepted.I have told him to just use his DD214 just to get his permit for now. AZ rejection reason- (THE INSTRUCTORS NRA-ISSUED INSTRUCTOR NUMBER IS NOT PRINTED ON THE DOCUMENT(S) SUBMITTED) - The certificate, card or document of completion submitted must have the instructor's name, signature and valid NRA-issued instructor number printed on the document to meet the criteria of ARS 13-3112 subsection N.1 or N.8 Here is what I have found for AZ training requirements-ARS §13-3112.N. section N number 8 8. Completion of any other firearms safety or training course or class that is conducted by a department of public safety approved or national rifle association certified firearms instructor. I am an instructor certified by the Illinois State Police and issued a certificate for training approved by the Illinois State Police. I have an email into AZ DPS and may call them tomorrow. They have been very good at getting back to me on other questions I have had, even calling to follow up on emails before. Unless they mean AZ department of public safety, not just any states DPS or state police, hmm just thought of that. I guess I could issue a secondary certificate for day 2 with my NRA number on it for students who only needed day 2, but did not have military service. Just curious if he was the first to try this. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:16 AM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:16 AM I JUST got my AZ permit yesterday. I used my DD214 for proof of training in AZ. He doesn't need IL cert. took 32 days from mailing to receiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted February 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM Also, I have a friend who took all 16 hours for IL and sent that cert to AZ as proof of training and it was accepted. They probably don't consider the second 8 hours as firearms training. It's IL law, drawing from concealment and range qualification to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:18 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:18 PM All you need to do is draft a certificate on your company's form that includes your NRA instructor number. You would give him the Illinois State Police certificate and your company's certificate. He uses the ISP certificate for Illinois and your company's certificate for AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daltongang Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:28 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:28 PM How much is the permit for AZ? sent from my electronic carrier pigeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:42 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:42 PM How much is the permit for AZ? sent from my electronic carrier pigeon $60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:51 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 02:51 PM All you need to do is draft a certificate on your company's form that includes your NRA instructor number. You would give him the Illinois State Police certificate and your company's certificate. He uses the ISP certificate for Illinois and your company's certificate for AZ.I have photoshopped my NRA number on my Illinois State Police certificate. One less certificate, KISS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted February 26, 2014 at 03:01 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 03:01 PM Can you send a copy of your NRA Basic Pistol Certificate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted February 26, 2014 at 03:36 PM Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 03:36 PM Yes AZ and FL accept NRA Basic Pistol. I did not want to add anything to the IL certificate for fear of confusing Illinois at this point with a non standard certificate.Granted there should be no issue with it, but for those of us that have lived here our whole lives nothing would come as a surprise.I mean no permits because the paper is out of spec! I could give another certificate, but I had no reason to, he could have used his DD214, like I advised him to.My 2 day students have NRA basic Pistol and I don't think there is a way to get 8 hours of IL credit without being eligible for an AZ or FL permit.Ok for AZ you may not be eligible if you just took a FL/Utah class, but did not receive the permit yet as AZ accepts copies of the permits but mentions nothing about accepting the training certificate.then it comes back to 'department of public safety approved training', does that mean AZ department of safety or any states department of public safety (or equivalent). Also found out that the student filled in on application for business name/training only my company name, I wonder if he had filled in 'Illinois Concealed Carry class' if that would have made a difference, since then they would have been looking for state approved traning. Will know more after AZ opens for business. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted February 26, 2014 at 04:15 PM Share Posted February 26, 2014 at 04:15 PM Any class taught by an NRA instructor is sufficient. They just need the NRA instructor number for whomever taught the class. Sent from my SGH-I747 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted March 12, 2014 at 12:52 AM Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 12:52 AM Finally received a response from AZ. NRA Instructor only according to them. So I guess I will just have to add my NRA number to the IL certificate or issue a separate certificate. Not hard to due, I just did not want to make any changes to the IL certificate and give the ISP a reason to reject applications. It really shouldn't be an issue for most of my students since they already have something else accepted my AZ, either NRA BP, hunters ed, military service, or another states permit training. The only issue could be for someone who has permit training, but not the permit yet since AZ wants a copy of the permit and says nothing about training. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11ram06daytona Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:08 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:08 AM I am a bit confused. If you have an IL permit can't you carry concealed in AZ? What would be the advantage to getting AZ permit. Also I have FL & UT. Clarification from anyone would be greatly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mctheriot Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:23 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:23 AM I can confirm, if your instructor's NRA number is not on the cert sent to AZ, they will kick it back. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booxone Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM I am a bit confused. If you have an IL permit can't you carry concealed in AZ? What would be the advantage to getting AZ permit. Also I have FL & UT. Clarification from anyone would be greatly appreciatedI know AZ will add WI if you have Fl and IL. The benefit is you don't have to take another class to get Utah if you just want Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 01:29 AM I am a bit confused. If you have an IL permit can't you carry concealed in AZ? What would be the advantage to getting AZ permit.Carrying in the many states that recognize an AZ non-res permit but not an IL permit. from http://www.handgunla...Maps/ccwmap.phpappears those states would be: MT, WY, NM, ND, NE, TX, LA, WI, OH, WV, PA, VA, GA, DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:20 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:20 AM AZ is cheap and easy, but not recognized in that many states. You can leverage your Illinois training to get a UT and FL permit, which gives you 40 states. UT is recognized by WI, MN, PA and WA, which do not recognize FL non-resident. FL gives you FL and another state or two which do not recognize UT. That's 40 good reasons to be from Illinois - miles from Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:38 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:38 AM FL, UT and IL gets you 36states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:48 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 02:48 AM I went with AZ to pick up WI because we travel there frequently. You can also use another permit like IL, FL to get a AZ permit according to their 13-3112 N. 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted March 12, 2014 at 05:31 AM Share Posted March 12, 2014 at 05:31 AM AZ is cheap and easy, but not recognized in that many states. You can leverage your Illinois training to get a UT and FL permit, which gives you 40 states. UT is recognized by WI, MN, PA and WA, which do not recognize FL non-resident. FL gives you FL and another state or two which do not recognize UT. That's 40 good reasons to be from Illinois - miles from Illinois AZ is recognized in lots of states. There are only like 5 states that vary in different combinations between UT, AZ and FL non-resident permits... WA, MN, NM, WI, and FL off the top of my head. Utah requires a Utah specific course. If your Illinois course was taught by a mutually approved instructor and included the Utah course, then you're ok, but if not, you'll have to take a Utah course. In that sense, AZ might be better. Florida gives you Florida that AZ doesn't but also loses Wisconsin, and Florida is more expensive. Comparing UT and AZ, UT gets you MN and WA but you lose NM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11ram06daytona Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:30 AM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:30 AM Thank you all for clarifying. Hopefully in 60 days or less I will have IL in hand giving me 36 states with my FL and UT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:41 AM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:41 AM That explains why the certificate I got from a student had an NRA instructor signature and number on a non-NRA certificate. That said, I recall being told by a facilitator that one could not use their identity as a NRA instructor when teaching non-NRA courses. Was I misled? ETA - just found two NRA training Memos (1) (2) that you can use your NRA instructor information, but you must clearly state that it is not an NRA approved course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franko Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:55 AM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 01:55 AM Man things has changed in AZ since I took it 4 years ago. You had to take the class in AZ and 16 hours. I'm due to renew late this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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