Talonap Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:33 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:33 PM Was wondering if the stupid, "Low Melting Point", banned handgun list would be preempted by the new CC law. Would be nice ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJR Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:36 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:36 PM The melting point is a state law. Since the State is the only one that can make handgun laws, it will most likely stay. (It should have fell off the books years ago.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgmeyer Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:37 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 09:37 PM It probably is.... (IANAL) and, for sure, it should be preempted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:00 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:00 PM I heard from sellers that the melting point law was made to bar low priced guns in the state. That sounds like a scene that played well for anti's as well as companies that sell guns for an arm and a leg. To this day I still don't get how a handgun can cost more than a couple hundred dollars. Ya ya I know...american made...yak yak yak. It started as a way to keep cheap guns from gangs and at the same time denying low income people the chance to own a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:30 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:30 PM I heard from sellers that the melting point law was made to bar low priced guns in the state. That sounds like a scene that played well for anti's as well as companies that sell guns for an arm and a leg. To this day I still don't get how a handgun can cost more than a couple hundred dollars. Ya ya I know...american made...yak yak yak. It started as a way to keep cheap guns from gangs and at the same time denying low income people the chance to own a firearm. The real reason is in bold. There have been several attempts to modernize the "Saturday Night Special" law - most notably after Bryco/Jenningg and the other CNC mass produced cheapos came on the market.... basically if it wasn't a "brand name" like Colt or Smith & Wesson with an MSRP in the $600 range you wouldn't have been able to buy it. But remember... we bitter clingers are the ones who keep those who look different than us down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:38 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 10:38 PM I heard from sellers that the melting point law was made to bar low priced guns in the state. That sounds like a scene that played well for anti's as well as companies that sell guns for an arm and a leg. To this day I still don't get how a handgun can cost more than a couple hundred dollars. Ya ya I know...american made...yak yak yak. It started as a way to keep cheap guns from gangs and at the same time denying low income people the chance to own a firearm.The real reason is in bold. There have been several attempts to modernize the "Saturday Night Special" law - most notably after Bryco/Jenningg and the other CNC mass produced cheapos came on the market.... basically if it wasn't a "brand name" like Colt or Smith & Wesson with an MSRP in the $600 range you wouldn't have been able to buy it. But remember... we bitter clingers are the ones who keep those who look different than us down...The original saturday night special laws came after the civil war in the former confederate states. The 14th amendment meant they could not outright deny the former slaves the right to keep and bear arms, so they banned inexpensive handguns (in fact most of the laws passed said the Colt Single-Action Army revolver was the only legal handgun) to keep them out of the hands of the recently freed slaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Posted February 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM Share Posted February 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM ......... so they banned inexpensive handguns (in fact most of the laws passed said the Colt Single-Action Army revolver was the only legal handgun) to keep them out of the hands of the recently freed slaves I am pretty well versed on the subject and I have never, ever come across anything that supports that. Not arguing about the inexpensive gun ban and minorities (and immigrants should be included) but I do not believe the SSA was ever the only legal handgun in any jurisdiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 8, 2014 at 12:14 AM Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 12:14 AM ......... so they banned inexpensive handguns (in fact most of the laws passed said the Colt Single-Action Army revolver was the only legal handgun) to keep them out of the hands of the recently freed slaves I am pretty well versed on the subject and I have never, ever come across anything that supports that. Not arguing about the inexpensive gun ban and minorities (and immigrants should be included) but I do not believe the SSA was ever the only legal handgun in any jurisdictionI was wrong about it being most, but Tennessee's "Army and Navy law" banned handguns except Army and Navy models, which was basically the Colt SA Army and SA Navy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted February 8, 2014 at 05:34 AM Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 05:34 AM Does this law apply to polymer handguns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 8, 2014 at 05:50 AM Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 05:50 AM Does this law apply to polymer handguns? Exactly! I'm sure plastic melts at a lower temperature than zinc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:14 PM Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:14 PM Does this law apply to polymer handguns?Exactly! I'm sure plastic melts at a lower temperature than zinc.Polymers don't really "melt" in the sense that metal melts, they start to break down in different ways (and it actually is at a much higher temperature than zinc melts) Although the law does only apply to metal (A) A person commits the offense of unlawful sale or delivery of firearms when he or she knowingly doesany of the following: (h) While holding any license as a dealer, importer, manufacturer or pawnbroker under the federal GunControl Act of 1968, manufactures, sells or deliversto any unlicensed person a handgun having a barrel,slide, frame or receiver which is a die casting ofzinc alloy or any other nonhomogeneous metal whichwill melt or deform at a temperature of less than800 degrees Fahrenheit. Interesting that it says "unlicensed person" I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you possess a zinc ally handgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoktorPaimon Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:25 PM Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:25 PM Deleted for being duplicate information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:25 PM Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 at 02:25 PM So, I wonder how many rounds would it take to get the temp of a firearm up to the point when it starts to melt in your hand, (Not in your mouth - the M&M model)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted February 9, 2014 at 07:13 PM Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 07:13 PM Would be good to get this overturned. Don't know of any other states where these guns have started to melt during a trip to the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:19 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:19 PM Thar's "pot metal" guns, you you wouldn't want it anyhow, most are safe to shoot with inspection but not a gun to shoot a lot they are a lot more dangerous if you put them in muriatic acid and light it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:28 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:28 PM If it is pot-metal is it now legal in Illinois with prescription? Tapa-what? Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:36 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:36 PM I looked up the melting points on some common firearms a couple weeks ago being talked about in another thread. Short version is these zamak guns are in wide circulation in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xd9subcompact Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:46 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 08:46 PM The guns are not illegal in IL. They are illegal to offered for sale by a licensed dealer, pawn broker, manufacturer. But once in circulation, they are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Posted February 9, 2014 at 09:01 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 09:01 PM Interesting that it says "unlicensed person" I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you possess a zinc ally handgun? the law does not ban owning them, only bans licensed persons from selling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 9, 2014 at 10:14 PM Share Posted February 9, 2014 at 10:14 PM Interesting that it says "unlicensed person" I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you possess a zinc ally handgun? the law does not ban owning them, only bans licensed persons from selling them.It bans licensed persons from selling them to unlicensed persons So let me reword my (semi-rhetorical) question to "I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you purchase a zinc alloy handgun?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonap Posted February 10, 2014 at 01:19 AM Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 at 01:19 AM Interesting that it says "unlicensed person" I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you possess a zinc ally handgun? the law does not ban owning them, only bans licensed persons from selling them.It bans licensed persons from selling them to unlicensed persons So let me reword my (semi-rhetorical) question to "I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you purchase a zinc alloy handgun?" Probably not unless it was an antique ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 11, 2014 at 12:02 AM Share Posted February 11, 2014 at 12:02 AM Probably not unless it was an antique ... If it's a antique there's no laws are involved. Cash carry no questions asked. (pre-1899) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 11, 2014 at 12:05 AM Share Posted February 11, 2014 at 12:05 AM Probably not unless it was an antique ...Possibly, but remember the C&R exemption to the SBR ban does not require a curio or relic SBR, so there is hope lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbarry Posted February 13, 2014 at 01:12 AM Share Posted February 13, 2014 at 01:12 AM There was a hipoint for sale in Hoffman estates cabelas on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 13, 2014 at 01:42 AM Share Posted February 13, 2014 at 01:42 AM There was a hipoint for sale in Hoffman estates cabelas on Sunday.Hi-Points melt above 800 degrees or whatever the limit is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted February 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM Share Posted February 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM Interesting that it says "unlicensed person" I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you possess a zinc ally handgun? the law does not ban owning them, only bans licensed persons from selling them.It bans licensed persons from selling them to unlicensed persons So let me reword my (semi-rhetorical) question to "I wonder if you could argue a C&R will let you purchase a zinc alloy handgun?". I don't think it will as a cr isn't licensed seller dealer, etc wouldn't matter anyways wholesalers won't ship them to dealers in Il, but you don't need anything to buy one, so long as its an individual there are a lot of them here and there are legal ways to get them here Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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