lostspring Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM I see the Suntimes said that the ISP released a list of objections by county. Has anyone seen this?
tomt Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:02 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:02 PM Here it is. http://www.suntimes.com/25287211-761/police-object-to-very-few-concealed-carry-applications.html
lostspring Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:12 PM Author Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:12 PM Thanks That is what I was looking for. None from my county (Ogle).
Blythes Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:14 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:14 PM I found this line from the article disturbing... On Thursday, Dart’s office filed an objection after investigating a tip from one applicant’s neighbor that he was mentally ill, Bilecki said. Don't say anything to your neighbors who they may turn you in! Maybe there is more to this story?
lostspring Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:19 PM Author Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:19 PM It took me a bit to find the pdf marker over on the right side.
brianj - now in Kansas Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:25 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:25 PM I found this line from the article disturbing... On Thursday, Dart’s office filed an objection after investigating a tip from one applicant’s neighbor that he was mentally ill, Bilecki said. Don't say anything to your neighbors who they may turn you in! Maybe there is more to this story? Taking this at face value, I think the citizen to whom that objection was directed would have a pretty strong case at the review board. If we start going down this road, all any of us need is a neighbor with a grudge, and we're toast. Bri
sctman800 Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:40 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:40 PM Posted Today, 07:19 AMIt took me a bit to find the pdf marker over on the right side. I never did find it, any clues to help an old fellow? Jim.
Glock23 Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:44 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:44 PM So the way this reads, every objection is going to the review board. So... 1. Objections by local LE are automatically sent to the review board? 2. The ISP just happened to agree with all of the objections? Or 3. This article is wrong?
gunsinchicagoomg Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:44 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:44 PM Posted Today, 07:19 AMIt took me a bit to find the pdf marker over on the right side. I never did find it, any clues to help an old fellow? Jim. http://www.canyonero.com/files/x/1391175911.png Here's the link to the pdf: http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/STM/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=dhPOrAdQebHLjInc5MFhF9R8ycgnwYjTsYQbGu0iRxqZVflOKMhC_llj2$33Y4USjMpqdV2Mso4mH6beQ6T6p6cn$IfHvVpaPD23r0DuAcZaTfjnUETyN4ze2Kxdkdy8&CONTENTTYPE=application/pdf&CONTENTDISPOSITION=guns-cst-013114.pdf
Hatchet Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:49 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:49 PM Posted Today, 07:19 AMIt took me a bit to find the pdf marker over on the right side. I never did find it, any clues to help an old fellow? Jim. http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/STM/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=dhPOrAdQebHLjInc5MFhF9R8ycgnwYjTsYQbGu0iRxqZVflOKMhC_llj2$33Y4USjMpqdV2Mso4mH6beQ6T6p6cn$IfHvVpaPD23r0DuAcZaTfjnUETyN4ze2Kxdkdy8&CONTENTTYPE=application/pdf&CONTENTDISPOSITION=guns-cst-013114.pdf
pdpsc Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:55 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 01:55 PM Posted Today, 07:19 AMIt took me a bit to find the pdf marker over on the right side. I never did find it, any clues to help an old fellow? Jim. http://www.canyonero.com/files/x/1391175911.png Here's the link to the pdf: http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/STM/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=dhPOrAdQebHLjInc5MFhF9R8ycgnwYjTsYQbGu0iRxqZVflOKMhC_llj2$33Y4USjMpqdV2Mso4mH6beQ6T6p6cn$IfHvVpaPD23r0DuAcZaTfjnUETyN4ze2Kxdkdy8&CONTENTTYPE=application/pdf&CONTENTDISPOSITION=guns-cst-013114.pdf We need to start a "turn every county red" campaign. Too much yellow in that map.
Archer2 Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:00 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:00 PM What's up with Will County? Looks like the ratio of objections to number of applications is like 10X higher than average. Does Will have an unusually anti Sheriff?
pgsailor Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:05 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:05 PM I found this line from the article disturbing... On Thursday, Dart’s office filed an objection after investigating a tip from one applicant’s neighbor that he was mentally ill, Bilecki said. Don't say anything to your neighbors who they may turn you in! Maybe there is more to this story? Taking this at face value, I think the citizen to whom that objection was directed would have a pretty strong case at the review board. If we start going down this road, all any of us need is a neighbor with a grudge, and we're toast. BriHe is also a Communist.
Booxone Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:08 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:08 PM Does anybody think that objections to 236 people that have their FOID cards is extremely high?
Jefferson24 Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:19 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:19 PM Does anybody think that objections to 236 people that have their FOID cards is extremely high? I think it might open up a can of worms. If they are unfit to carry are they also unfit to own? I think that might be where some of these are headed. The fact is if they are turned down by the board of review then they must be considered to be a danger to themselves or others. If they are a danger to themselves or others are they really appropriate to be a gun owner. Why are they safe with a gun in their home, at the range or in the woods but not in public?
Booxone Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:27 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:27 PM Exactly. But the problem with "objections" that I see is that they want to object on things other than convictions. There is a list of disqualifying conditions that bars people from getting a FOID or a CCL. If there was never a conviction or they want to make it more stringent, than the law is written, that is wrong.
chislinger Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:27 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:27 PM If I send a tip that Dart is mentally ill does he get reviewed?
Hap Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:35 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 02:35 PM There is a note at the bottom of the PDF stating "For a detailed, interactive version of this map, please visit suntimes.com." Has anybody been able to find this version of the map?
aka Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:02 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:02 PM I heard on WBBM this morning that out of 33,000 applications only 200 odd were being challenged. These will be reviewed by the Appeals Board before they are officially rejected.
bmyers Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:08 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:08 PM I will be curious to see how many officially get rejected.
GlockShooter Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:17 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:17 PM There is a note at the bottom of the PDF stating "For a detailed, interactive version of this map, please visit suntimes.com." Has anybody been able to find this version of the map?They just updated it with another link. http://voices.suntimes.com/import/chicago/graphic-concealed-carry-applications/
Drylok Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:18 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:18 PM I can't get over how big of a deal they are making this out to be. Heaven sakes, graphs and charts showing apps by county and everything.
Joebillybob Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:21 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:21 PM From the interactive map. "More than 33,000 Illinoisans have applied for concealed carry permits and law enforcement agencies in more than a dozen counties have objected to many of these applications" Many? The wording of the writer and the facts do not agree. Semantics? Yes.... But to gun grabbers the wording "many" probably enforces the belief that CCWs are inherently evil and not to be trusted by the sheeple...
MJB Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:41 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:41 PM Joliet? Some rough areas there. (Tried to quote Archer2 but it didn't take)
oldude Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:53 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 03:53 PM Anybody else having probs getting that pdf to load?
C0untZer0 Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:00 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:00 PM Don't let you ex-spouse know you've applied, I can see that going badly...
tchostler Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:02 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:02 PM Anybody else having probs getting that pdf to load?No. Knox 154 State 0.
hgmeyer Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:05 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:05 PM Curious how many applications from McLean County.... A lot thinner population than Kane (for instance) and a 12 to 1 ratio of objections. Kane has Aurora, Elgin, and the tri-cities so is fairly urban and would have about the same ratio of possible objections as Will, I would guess.
lee n. field Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:40 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:40 PM Anybody else having probs getting that pdf to load? opens fine. possibly you have a problem w/ acrobat reader or it's browser integration.
Elderberry Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:57 PM Posted January 31, 2014 at 04:57 PM I will be curious to see how many officially get rejected. If they all get rejected or all get approved -- either way -- something isn't working right...
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