RTC Permanent Rules

[Tvandermyde]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

[Frank]

Great to know. Thanks, Todd!

[wtr100]

To ARMS To ARMS - well at least keyboards , phones and faxes ...

[RockerXX]

Based on the ISP track record thus far, the posting of the rules should be a crying/laughing moment, and possibly give people a headache...

[defaultdotxbe]

To ARMS To ARMS - well at least keyboards , phones and faxes ...

so TO FINGERS then?

[Lou]

Knowing that the ISP director reports to Gov. Quincomtax, will our input matter?

[wtr100]

Based on the ISP track record thus far, the posting of the rules should be a crying/laughing moment, and possibly give people a headache...

 

but maybe they've learned a few things and it'll be professional and smooth as silk

[wtr100]

To ARMS To ARMS - well at least keyboards , phones and faxes ...

so TO FINGERS then?

 

your honor let the record show the thread began to de-evolve after defaultdotxbe started it

[RockerXX]

Based on the ISP track record thus far, the posting of the rules should be a crying/laughing moment, and possibly give people a headache...

 

but maybe they've learned a few things and it'll be professional and smooth as silk

 

LOL, I'll bet no one on this forum would take that bet...

[AuroraInstructor]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

 

Todd,

 

I am assuming that since we have been told that we can begin training now, that any rules that are changed (from temporary to permanent) will not affect anything in a more restrictive manner. Or is that too much to hope for? I cannot imagine that the rules would suddenly change except insofar that they would allow more flexibility / options once that they have told us to begin training.

 

Your thoughts? (I know you don't have a crystal ball...)

[Bhawk99]

Just let us know when and where to send/call our thaughts to the ISP

[jlowrie]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

 

Todd,

 

I am assuming that since we have been told that we can begin training now, that any rules that are changed (from temporary to permanent) will not affect anything in a more restrictive manner. Or is that too much to hope for? I cannot imagine that the rules would suddenly change except insofar that they would allow more flexibility / options once that they have told us to begin training.

 

Your thoughts? (I know you don't have a crystal ball...)

 

this is Illinois so I would imagine all bets are off the table... and a few deals underneath.

[cls74]

Knowing that the ISP director reports to Gov. Quincomtax, will our input matter?

 

Of course it will, they'll blame us for flooding their system and slowing things down lol

 

Also curious, exactly who and how do we contact?

[Len S]

Will these rules at least come with a dinner invitation ?

[Gray Peterson]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

 

To the extent that you can comment, what about Indiana residents ability apply for A license from the Illinois State Police.

[Tvandermyde]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

 

Todd,

 

I am assuming that since we have been told that we can begin training now, that any rules that are changed (from temporary to permanent) will not affect anything in a more restrictive manner. Or is that too much to hope for? I cannot imagine that the rules would suddenly change except insofar that they would allow more flexibility / options once that they have told us to begin training.

 

Your thoughts? (I know you don't have a crystal ball...)

 

The minimums are reduced.

 

 

1) A 16 hour training course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:

 

A) Firearms Safety − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

Basic Principles of Marksmanship − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

C) Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

D) All Applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm − a minimum of 2 hours; and

 

E) Weapons Handling − a minimum of 1 hour.

 

2) An 8 hour training course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:

 

A) All Applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm − a minimum of 2 hours; and

 

Weapons Handling − a minimum of 1 hour.

 

3) The minimum hours established in this subsection (d) have been determined to be sufficient for the experienced shooter and shall be adjusted by the approved instructor based upon the skill level of those to be trained to ensure proficiency by all upon the completion of the required training component.

[wtr100]

vunderful newz der mr vandermyde sur

 

 

Seriously these are VERY resaonable numbers to my mind

[bigdiogi]

I have been told the proposed permanent rules have been filed with the Secretary of State for publication. Publication should occur sometime between the 11th and 18th. I am working on getting a copy of what was filed and hang on to your sox.

 

This is going to be a time where we need to flood the ISP -- i.e. the Department with comment

 

more to follow. . ..

 

Todd,

 

I am assuming that since we have been told that we can begin training now, that any rules that are changed (from temporary to permanent) will not affect anything in a more restrictive manner. Or is that too much to hope for? I cannot imagine that the rules would suddenly change except insofar that they would allow more flexibility / options once that they have told us to begin training.

 

Your thoughts? (I know you don't have a crystal ball...)

 

The minimums are reduced.

 

 

1) A 16 hour training course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:

 

A) Firearms Safety − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

Basic Principles of Marksmanship − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

C) Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm − a minimum of 1 hour;

 

D) All Applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm − a minimum of 2 hours; and

 

E) Weapons Handling − a minimum of 1 hour.

 

2) An 8 hour training course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:

 

A) All Applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm − a minimum of 2 hours; and

 

Weapons Handling − a minimum of 1 hour.

 

3) The minimum hours established in this subsection (d) have been determined to be sufficient for the experienced shooter and shall be adjusted by the approved instructor based upon the skill level of those to be trained to ensure proficiency by all upon the completion of the required training component.

 

(Sigh of relief)

 

An improvement for sure.

[pomme333]

on standby to man my evil black assault keyboard.

[cshipley92]

on standby to man my evil black assault keyboard.

 

I hope you've got the proper permits to possess such a dangerous weapon.

[Jeff Johnson]

So 16 hours could be as little as 6, and 8 hours could be 3 for an experienced shooter?

If so, then that's a lot more like it. But I don't trust them not to muck it up anyway.

I really don't blame the ISP for most of the mess and confusion. I blame the idiot legislators that cobbled this law together in the final hour (including the sponsors) and made it so complicated and confusing when it could have been so much easier.

[TyGuy]

I still take it that you have to have 16 hours total.

[mjw45]

So 16 hours could be as little as 6, and 8 hours could be 3 for an experienced shooter?

If so, then that's a lot more like it. But I don't trust them not to muck it up anyway.

 

You still need 8/16 hours total, they just lowered the minimums needed to spend on those specific subjects.

So the instructor can teach other things in the 8/16 hours, not just the bare minimums.

We won't get the total hours of training changed until we get the law changed.

 

That's my understanding of it.

 

Matt

[handyflyer]

Wow.....they actually listened to people in the know. Thank you Todd yet again.

[SleepingBirdDog]

Waiting for the other shoe...

 

 

 

a) Is there anything bad worse than what we've already seen? ( b ) How are permanent rules changed if there are changes for the worse?

[IAJack]

That will be nice to be able to include and teach additional things like progression of force, situation awareness, conflict resolution and post self defense actions.

[Tango7]

According to the Secretary Of State Illinois Register Website, the submission date for October 11th publication was September 30, and the deadline for October 18th publication is October 11.

 

The last batch of publications start on Page 15146 (near the end) of the September 13th edition of the ILREG

 

And recalling the BS we were fed about the Admin Rule process? Get ready to LOL:

 

Information and questions regarding this rule shall be directed to:

Ms. Suzanne L. Y. Bond

Chief Legal Counsel

Illinois State Police

801 South 7th Street, Suite 1000-S

Springfield, Illinois 62703

217/782-7658

 

Yes, the same Suzy Bond who signed as "Proponent" of HB011 SFA2 - Quinn's Veto language.

[Bud]

That will be nice to be able to include and teach additional things like progression of force, situation awareness, conflict resolution and post self defense actions.

 

and pole dancing.

 

It has done wonders for my figure

[SleepingBirdDog]

That will be nice to be able to include and teach additional things like progression of force, situation awareness, conflict resolution and post self defense actions.

 

and pole dancing.

 

It has done wonders for my figure

 

Did not need that picture in my head

[Frank]

That will be nice to be able to include and teach additional things like progression of force, situation awareness, conflict resolution and post self defense actions.

 

and pole dancing.

 

It has done wonders for my figure

 

Dude! That is SOOO WRONG!

 

(but kinda funny)