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Tvandermyde

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Any of us who thought they would be restrictive on accepting instructors was dead wrong. They only require 3 hours of instructor training. I guess that last section about another entity recognized in at least three states is for NACFI so their former director can become an instructor without taking an NRA course.

 

Edited to add that I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. It happens once every 10 years or so...

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So does this look like NRA basic pistol will be counted?

 

 

As instructor per 1231.10 Definitions it specifically says National Rifle Association of America

 

It does not mention any course by name but it says at least 4 hours of In-person training and live fire so it seems to me NRA Basic Pistol instructor is good to go

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I just caught something page 6 paragraph 2 :cool: 4 hours on the range? Certainly my original understanding is some of that time is dry fire and can be done in the classroom. The range would only be for live fire. ???? 4 hours range time, jiminey crickets bat man! People have been complaining about training fees already, if they have to be on the range 3 additional hours, watch everyone's prices go up by $60 for range time.

 

 

Page 7 section 1231.50 There will be a form for instructors to complete. I think that goes without saying. Look at b 2) Instructors have to certify that the applicant has previously received ISP approved training elsewhere. Does anyone recall that disclaimer form I posted yesterday? Seems like we're gonna need it!

 

same page and section c 1) I see nothing about a 4 hour course. Many people have asked about a 4 hour course for Utah permit holders. Looks like Utah permit holders may have to take a full 8? On a side note, what about CFP? No credit for that? Ok I'm on a tangent now. Back to the document.

 

Maybe same page paragraph E answers my question about CFP and Utah experience???

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Todd I am with you. This doesn't answer many of the questions people have been asking, if that was the point in doing so.
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Am I reading this wrong or are they looking for four hours of range time?

That's my question as well. My understanding reading the curriculum form they provided is that module is 4 total hours covering dry fire and live fire... not that we need to be on the range doing dry fire.... Did it change or was I wrong first, or did the person who wrote this not understand?
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Here's an immediate concern for me.

 

From 1999-2007 when I retired in disgust, I was a Military Records Expert for the entire VA (US) system. I was then (and still am as an independent contractor) very much involved in the identification of forged/altered documents for the VA's Office of the Inspector General, Criminal Investigation Division.

 

I identified (and caused prosecution) of hundreds of altered/forged DD Form 214s.

 

Fpor instance, the ISP came to me to find and identify the records of the Sycamore 56 year old murder case this past winter where the offender based his entire alibi on his former military records.

 

The ISP is making a HUGE mistake leaving verification of military records to the everyday layman and putting a huge burden on instructors to verify the validity of DD Form 214s.

 

These people are incredibly ate up

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Does it seem they're expecting the instructors to the state's agent in validating previous training?

Seems like it to me! That's what I was suspecting they would do.
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Here's an immediate concern for me.

 

From 1999-2007 when I retired in disgust, I was a Military Records Expert for the entire VA (US) system. I was then (and still am as an independent contractor) very much involved in the identification of forged/altered documents for the VA's Office of the Inspector General, Criminal Investigation Division.

 

I identified (and caused prosecution) of hundreds of altered/forged DD Form 214s.

 

Fpor instance, the ISP came to me to find and identify the records of the Sycamore 56 year old murder case this past winter where the offender based his entire alibi on his former military records.

 

The ISP is making a HUGE mistake leaving verification of military records to the everyday layman and putting a huge burden on instructors to verify the validity of DD Form 214s.

 

These people are incredibly ate up

Bud I don't have any of the experience that you have and I totally agree. 99% of us are not qualified to make these verifications. Which is why each and every of my customers will sign a waiver stating they agree to indemnify and hold me harmless should their documents be falsified or inaccurate in any way.
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Did I miss it?

 

What the heck it 'Public firearms storage'?

 

And are they kidding?

I am supposed to certify that a student has training/exemptions that meet the 8 hour requirements?

 

I don't want that responsibility, not am I qualified.

 

I thought it was supposed to get better, not worse.

 

What in this 'Emergency Rules' really clears anything up for us?

 

Matt

 

Matt

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This is why I posted the other day about scanning copies of DD-214's or other documentation of previous training. Since the law specifies INSTRUCTORS as well as the ISP "accepting" previous training, it certainly seems that the ISP will shift that burden to the instructors because they can.

 

Let's take a look at this logically though. Will there be forged documents? Yes. There always will be. If you own a nightclub and an underage kid gets in with a really good fake ID, you aren't going to lose your license if you did your due diligence. We are not expected to be document experts. At the end of the day, I will cover myself by:

 

1) keeping a copy of the document I was provided by the applicant

2) not letting any student even get to the range who doesn't show proficiency in safe gun-handling in the classroom portion.

 

That's all I can do, and all i can be expected to do.

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