Grey Beret Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:43 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:43 PM There are at least 4 cases that have worked out for the citizenry in regards to container carry/transport. SAKDigginsHorstman*the lady in the courthouse....ummmm I forget her name*Don't forget about Vana Haggerty in Marion County Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:43 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:43 PM I haven't had anyone say anything or even give me an odd look.Great. Well I have grey hair and a cane, maybe I could do this too, until I get my IL permit. I have my FL permit and carry in other states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:52 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:52 PM There are 2 opinions that declare the console a "case" People v. Holmes, Ill. Supreme Court, Docket # 109130, Opinion filed 4/7/11. The defendant owner/driver of a motor vehicle, an Indiana resident who had been issued a carry license by his home state, was stopped by Chicago police officers for a traffic violation. Pursuant to a search, a 9 mm handgun was recovered from a backseat armrest of the car. The Court noted that “[t]he armrest separated the two back seats and contained a storage compartment that closed with a latch. The compartment could be folded up into the seat or left in a down position. Illinois State Supreme Court found for the defendant in this case. The Illinois Supreme Court ruled on 10/8/2009 (Docket # 106367 People v Diggins) that the Center Console of a vehicle was a case and a firearm could be carried in the closed Center Console. http://www.illinoiscarry.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?news=3&num=37&print=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:53 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:53 PM OK, tomato tomahto - but I've still heard it referred to as container carry more often than anything else. Yes I've been doing it, I decided to try the 5.11 Select Carry Pistol Pouch. My R9 sits in there with a loaded mag and I buckle it on when I go out. http://illinoiscarry...&hl=packs&st=30That's what I'm talking about...but wouldn't that be a dead giveaway that you are carrying a gun, unless you have grey hair and a cane?I use this. It looks like a smart phone case. You could use a smart phone case or a camera case. I use a small camera case to hold first aid gear. http://simage1.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/202377m2_ts.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:54 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:54 PM Was Haggerty where she took it into a courthouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:58 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 02:58 PM There are 2 opinions that declare the console a "case" People v. Holmes, Ill. Supreme Court, Docket # 109130, Opinion filed 4/7/11. The defendant owner/driver of a motor vehicle, an Indiana resident who had been issued a carry license by his home state, was stopped by Chicago police officers for a traffic violation. Pursuant to a search, a 9 mm handgun was recovered from a backseat armrest of the car. The Court noted that “[t]he armrest separated the two back seats and contained a storage compartment that closed with a latch. The compartment could be folded up into the seat or left in a down position. Illinois State Supreme Court found for the defendant in this case. The Illinois Supreme Court ruled on 10/8/2009 (Docket # 106367 People v Diggins) that the Center Console of a vehicle was a case and a firearm could be carried in the closed Center Console. http://www.illinoiscarry.com/cgi-bin/news/news.cgi?news=3&num=37&print=1Wonder how much that cost that poor guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beret Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:01 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:01 PM Was Haggerty where she took it into a courthouse? No, she was minding her own business selling brass knuckles at a county fair. She went through a lot of crap because of the felony charge that the states attorney (Creason) insisted on pushing. She was found guilty of a misdemeanor for the knuckles but she would have plead guilty for that and had the whole thing behind her at the very beginning. Creason dropped the AUUW charge on the day of the trial. He was trying to get her to plead to something but she refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:01 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:01 PM OK, tomato tomahto - but I've still heard it referred to as container carry more often than anything else. Yes I've been doing it, I decided to try the 5.11 Select Carry Pistol Pouch. My R9 sits in there with a loaded mag and I buckle it on when I go out. http://illinoiscarry...&hl=packs&st=30That's what I'm talking about...but wouldn't that be a dead giveaway that you are carrying a gun, unless you have grey hair and a cane?I use this. It looks like a smart phone case. You could use a smart phone case or a camera case. I use a small camera case to hold first aid gear. http://simage1.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/202377m2_ts.jpgI carry a Commander and would need a large belt loop case. Maybe a man purse, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:06 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:06 PM It may be legal but it will cost you time and money to prove it in court. I'm sure you will be fine down state but I would think twice about it in Cook county. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:06 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:06 PM I also use man bags, or a sporran when wearing a kilt. People don't notice. Cops don't notice, or just don't care. I've been container transporting/carrying for IDK 3-4 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:07 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:07 PM It may be legal but it will cost you time and money to prove it in court. I'm sure you will be fine down state but I would think twice about it in Cook county. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2So, are you saying the new law, HB183 isn't enforceable against the entire state? It was specifically mentioned in that cmomitteee hearings that people could unload, case up, and go about their lives. Are you saying the law somehow doens't apply now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:12 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:12 PM Go back and listen to the committee hearings on HB183. You'll hear them specifically address container transport. IT IS LEGAL. You might get hassled, but you'll get the case dismissed and could go after a wrongful arrest lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:13 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:13 PM Would you believe me more if Federal Farmer, Molly, or Todd indicated as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:13 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:13 PM Over the years, this State has made many fearful of the restrictive gun laws and would seem better to wait until permit in hand to carry if there is any grey area. If the SA has an attitude problem, that would make a difference too. I want a clean record when my app goes to the ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:15 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:15 PM What about it being legal scares you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:17 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:17 PM I mean, don't do it if you want, but I don't see the hangup. You could still get hassled, and I suspect some will, when you have a permit, but the law will be there to protect you, just like it is there right now to protect you with container transport. The law is the law and every legal firearm owner is good to go if they follow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavtrpr Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:19 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:19 PM OK, tomato tomahto - but I've still heard it referred to as container carry more often than anything else. Yes I've been doing it, I decided to try the 5.11 Select Carry Pistol Pouch. My R9 sits in there with a loaded mag and I buckle it on when I go out. http://illinoiscarry...&hl=packs&st=30That's what I'm talking about...but wouldn't that be a dead giveaway that you are carrying a gun, unless you have grey hair and a cane?I use this. It looks like a smart phone case. You could use a smart phone case or a camera case. I use a small camera case to hold first aid gear. http://simage1.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/2/202377m2_ts.jpg Yea, This is exactly what i am talking about! not a car console or box thing. what would the illegal charge be if carrying a unloaded pistol in this manner on your belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:19 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:19 PM Maybe an "official" could post their take on container transport in light of HB183 so that ya'll will believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:20 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:20 PM Yea, This is exactly what i am talking about! not a car console or box thing. what would the illegal charge be if carrying a unloaded pistol in this manner on your belt?There would be none. Don't take it out or open the flap in public. Also don't intimidate someone by saying you have a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:24 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:24 PM Maybe an "official" could post their take on container transport in light of HB183 so that ya'll will believe me. I believe you. And I think CPD believes you too, based on the list of directives they published on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:27 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:27 PM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:28 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:28 PM I've seen a lot of changes in my 60+ years. When I was a kid we shot 22s in town with no problems. We could open carry loaded weapons on the river and shoot over water. I've also run into several LEOs with very bad attitudes. I do believe you guys know what you are talking about, it's just difficult for some of us older people to make the jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbergal Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:30 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:30 PM I "fanny pack" carry. I have galco elite. The thing I don't like about purse carry is that you put your purse down. I leave my fanny pack on at all times when I have my gun in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderberry Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:32 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:32 PM Maybe an "official" could post their take on container transport in light of HB183 so that ya'll will believe me. I don't think the problem is that people do not believe you -- I think the problem is that these are Illinois citizens and they have all been conditioned by decades of oppression.... The only thing I would suggest is if one decides to "transport" their handgun they might want to print out the nice brochure that the taxpayers bought the Illinois State Police and put it in their transportation case... It is available here: http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/1-154.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:40 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:40 PM ^ The 5.11 Select Carry Pistol Pouch has a pocket where you can carry the brochure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:43 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:43 PM I keep that brochure and my lawyer's card in each of my cases. I guess I don't get the mentality of "I'll follow law A, but law B is too scary to follow." They are both totally fine now. Before you were risking home rule violation with container transport, but now it's specifically cited for this new law and an option to exercise lawfully. Oh well, I guess some have been conditioned for too long to come around in less than 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:48 PM Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:48 PM I was going to edit the post title, but I can't any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:50 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:50 PM ? CPD has issued new directives acknowledging the passage of the new law. There are links in Federal Farmer's thread, "Well Sourced Rumor...", that I couldn't get to copy. In a nutshell, CPD says that possession is allowed under the law, home rule is preempted, etc. Good read. I wouldn't be worried too much about being hassled by CPD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavtrpr Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:55 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:55 PM I keep that brochure and my lawyer's card in each of my cases. I guess I don't get the mentality of "I'll follow law A, but law B is too scary to follow." They are both totally fine now. Before you were risking home rule violation with container transport, but now it's specifically cited for this new law and an option to exercise lawfully. Oh well, I guess some have been conditioned for too long to come around in less than 24 hours. TY, I think you are right. i have read the new law also and that was my understanding. but thought i should run it by some folks who understand legal issues better than i do. Thanks For Your Help! Im not going to carry my unloaded pistol in a fanny pack, purse , shoulder bag or carry box but i may try a small balistic nylon pouch on the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchostler Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:55 PM Share Posted July 10, 2013 at 03:55 PM I keep that brochure and my lawyer's card in each of my cases. I guess I don't get the mentality of "I'll follow law A, but law B is too scary to follow." They are both totally fine now. Before you were risking home rule violation with container transport, but now it's specifically cited for this new law and an option to exercise lawfully. Oh well, I guess some have been conditioned for too long to come around in less than 24 hours.Yes, it will take some of us time. Love that preemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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