supprmann Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:18 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:18 PM New amendments just posted for HB0183 http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09800HB0183sam005&GA=98&SessionId=85&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=69231&DocNum=0183&GAID=12&Session=
supprmann Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:23 PM Author Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:23 PM The link contains the new amendments just posted 31 May 2013 at around 0930.
Graybeard Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:25 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:25 PM Preemption applies only to handguns.
Patriots & Tyrants Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:25 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:25 PM I like number six if it means what I think it means. Going to take a while on 5.
mostholycerebus Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:26 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:26 PM A lot of prohibited areas still. Oh well.
Joebie Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:27 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:27 PM I like number six if it means what I think it means. Going to take a while on 5. yeahh, I think I know what you mean. I'll be interested to see this really dissected.
TyGuy Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:28 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:28 PM So far pretty much the same, at Sctin 60
Joebie Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:30 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:30 PM I wonder if "car" is still safe harbor.
oneshot Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:30 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:30 PM Wow, being very thorough on the mental health end, it looks well done as a skim through it.
Federal Farmer Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:31 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:31 PM Yes, and I think it is a workable bill. It is still a shall-issue bill where an LEO agency can challenge and initiate a review by a board which can be appealed by the applicant to Circuit Court under the existing Administrative Review Act. Fees are unchanged from prior versions. Training requirements are the same, but what counts towards the waivable 8 hours is expanded and includes dd-214 and hunter's education as 8 hrs credit. Preemption is as I expected, meeting partway in between: Section 90. Preemption.3 The regulation, licensing, possession, registration, and4 transportation of concealed handguns and ammunition for5 concealed handguns by licensees are exclusive powers and6 functions of the State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion7 thereof, enacted on or before the effective date of this Act8 that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on9 licensees or concealed handguns and ammunition for concealed10 handguns in a manner inconsistent with this Act shall be11 invalid in its application to licensees under this Act on the12 effective date of this Act. This Section is a denial and13 limitation of home rule powers and functions under subsection14 (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution. I'm told this includes magazines and laser accessories, etc and have asked that this be part of the legislative record. Penalties - CUI has same penalties as DUI (or so I'm told). Class A, Class B, Felony. No word yet on whether having a good lawyer can get you out of a CUI like they can with DUI. Background checks - this does not add any checks, just states that you aren't exempt from the existing checks required just because you have a permit. Section 85. Background Checks for Sales.5 A license to carry a concealed firearm issued by this6 State shall not exempt the licensee from the requirements of a7 background check, including a check of the National Instant8 Criminal Background Check System, upon purchase or transfer of9 a firearm.
Getzapped Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:31 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:31 PM I like number six if it means what I think it means. Going to take a while on 5. yeahh, I think I know what you mean. I'll be interested to see this really dissected.it doesn'tt mean what you think
Getzapped Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:32 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:32 PM I thought the renewal was 75. Now it says 150?
oneshot Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM I like number six if it means what I think it means. Going to take a while on 5. I don't think it does. This is the content that it pertains to, lines 4,5 & 9. It has to do with preemption. Section 90. Preemption. 3 The regulation, licensing, possession, registration, and 4 transportation of concealed handguns and ammunition for 5 concealed handguns by licensees are exclusive powers and 6 functions of the State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion 7 thereof, enacted on or before the effective date of this Act 8 that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on 9 licensees or concealed handguns and ammunition for concealed 10 handguns in a manner inconsistent with this Act shall be 11 invalid in its application to licensees under this Act on the 12 effective date of this Act. This Section is a denial and 13 limitation of home rule powers and functions under subsection 14 (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution. 15 Section 92. Consolidation of concealed carry license and 16 Firearm Owner's Identification Card. 17 (a) The Director shall create a task force to develop a 18 plan to incorporate and consolidate the concealed carry license 19 under this Act and the Firearm Owner's Identification Card 20 under the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act into a 21 designation on the Illinois driver's license or Illinois 22 identification card of a person with authority to possess a 23 firearm under the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act, or 24 authority to possess a firearm under the Firearm Owners
Booxone Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Section 90. Preemption. 3 The regulation, licensing, possession, registration, and 4 transportation of concealed handguns and ammunition for 5 concealed handguns by licensees are exclusive powers and 6 functions of the State. Any ordinance or regulation, or portion 7 thereof, enacted on or before the effective date of this Act 8 that purports to impose regulations or restrictions on 9 licensees or concealed handguns and ammunition for concealed 10 handguns in a manner inconsistent with this Act shall be 11 invalid in its application to licensees under this Act on the 12 effective date of this Act. This Section is a denial and 13 limitation of home rule powers and functions under subsection 14 (h) of Section 6 of Article VII of the Illinois Constitution. Does this address magazine limits? Or is it somewhere else?
Drylok Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM if its shall,preempt,decent training,resturaunts,parking lots ill live wit it for now
Joebie Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:33 PM Car is still safe harbor, (from the other thread), I think. From what I could tell.
oneshot Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:34 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:34 PM Training requirements are the same, but what counts towards the waivable 8 hours is expanded and includes dd-214 and hunter's education as 8 hrs credit. YEAH!!!
spu69 Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM if its shall,preempt,decent training,resturaunts,parking lots ill live wit it for nowit is, but it only preempts handgun related items.
RoadyRunner Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:35 PM Preemption applies only to handguns. "Concealed handguns" actually. Amendment 6 fixes that to just "Handguns". Both are needed to eliminate the CFP I think, since "concealed" is only a temporary state. It leaves the city to regulate handguns that are not "concealed".
lightforce1911 Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM A licensee in violation of this subsection (d) shall beguilty of a Class A misdemeanor for a first or second violationand a Class 4 felony for a third violation.
SAXD9 Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Yep...renewal fee doubled. Total Preemption for all concealable firearms. Restaurants are back in. 8 hours credit towards draining if honorably discharged from military. Safe harbor is still there.
Markian Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM (9) Any building, real property, and parking area underthe control of an establishment that serves alcohol on itspremises, if more than 50% of the establishment's grossreceipts within the prior 3 months is from the sale ofalcohol. The owner of an establishment who knowingly failsto prohibit concealed firearms on its premises as providedin this paragraph or who knowingly makes a false statementor record to avoid the prohibition on concealed firearmsunder this paragraph is subject to the penalty undersubsection (c-5) of Section 10-1 of the Liquor Control Actof 1934. Nice touch. Makes the owner of the establishment liable for not notifying via GFZ sign that establishment sells >50% of revenue thru alcohol. This one little paragraph takes the burden away from CCW holders and makes the establishment liable.
Federal Farmer Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM if its shall,preempt,decent training,resturaunts,parking lots ill live wit it for now It has safe harbor in parking lots. You can unload in your car and store handgun inside. Also can walk around car to stow in trunk after unloading.
RoadyRunner Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:36 PM I wonder if "car" is still safe harbor.Yes - it is.
RoadyRunner Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:37 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:37 PM Yep...renewal fee doubled. Total Preemption for all concealable firearms. Restaurants are back in. 8 hours credit towards draining if honorably discharged from military. Safe harbor is still there. "Concealed" not "concealable". Words matter.
SAXD9 Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:38 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:38 PM Preemption applies only to handguns. "Concealed handguns" actually. Amendment 6 fixes that to just "Handguns". Both are needed to eliminate the CFP I think, since "concealed" is only a temporary state. It leaves the city to regulate handguns that are not "concealed". Edit: RoadyRunner is correct. It talks about concealed, rather than concealable.
spu69 Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM Yep...renewal fee doubled. Total Preemption for all concealable firearms. Restaurants are back in. 8 hours credit towards draining if honorably discharged from military. Safe harbor is still there. "Concealed" not "concealable". Words matter. concealable firearm = handgun, and amendment 6 takes concealed out of the preemption area.
TyGuy Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM I like number six if it means what I think it means. Going to take a while on 5.Nope. This is worse than SB2193. But I'm sure you'll hear cheering today. Gonna go call my Senator to vote no on this garbage.
883sport Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:39 PM What does this mean for chicago residents? no ar15's?, no public transportation carry?
Joebie Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:40 PM Posted May 31, 2013 at 02:40 PM I wish they would have added in reciprocity ... especially the item where it said you could carry 180 days on your out of state permit. But things could be worse.
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