DoverGunner Posted May 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM I have already made and left 20+ voice mail to Senators again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. So you keep saying, over and over, yet with no citation to evidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM I'm worried about firearm pre-emption staying in there but a mag ban of some kind getting through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM Madigan still has 997 sitting back in the house.So what? You think Cullerton's going to sit on 2183 but somehow let 997 slip through accidentally, in a senior moment? Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:47 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:47 PM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. So you keep saying, over and over, yet with no citation to evidence...There's decades of evidence. They are creating this stand off making it look like it's against each other when really they're wanting something from us because they're p***** that ccw is coming to IL. You surely don't think either one of them are the least bit in favor of 2A rights???? I know, don't call you shirley lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:49 PM Yep, but if 183 passes senate then house kills it what options would be left? How about the cliff now, and a clean preemption bill next session?Hmm I doubt the powers that be would allow it but I like your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-J Posted May 29, 2013 at 03:09 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 03:09 PM http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/images/illinois_seal.gif State Senator Chapin Rose Representing the 51st District of Illinois http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/common/images/footer_deco.jpg May 28, 2013 Dear Friends As of 10:00 PM, Tuesday 5/28… Senator Forby’s/ Rep. Phelps’ Senate Bill 2193 was defeated in the Senate Executive Committee by a vote of 6-8. Senator James Clayborne sided with the 5 Republican members of the committee. Later this afternoon, the committee adopted an amendment to Senator Raoul’s HB 183, with a vote of 8-4-1. The Republican members of the Executive Committee voted “no” or “present” on the Raoul version of concealed-carry legislation. As a reminder the Forby/Phelps bill included preemption and was a “shall” issue concealed-carry version. Raoul’s bill is written for “may” issue. We are clearly at a stalemate at this point, I will likely send out another update tomorrow. I will remain strong and hope to vote on a "shall" issue bill that allows all Illinoisans the same concealed-carry rights. Sincerely, Chapin Rose State Senator http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/common/images/footer_deco.jpg 510 S. Staley, Suite D Champaign, IL 61822 This was emailed to me this morning. I searched for this SB1283 and returned no results so I'm posting it here. If it's out already please ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted May 29, 2013 at 03:17 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 03:17 PM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. So you keep saying, over and over, yet with no citation to evidence...no evidence there fighting at all. they just have to def. bills to pass.IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTIN Posted May 29, 2013 at 04:05 PM Share Posted May 29, 2013 at 04:05 PM I'm worried about firearm pre-emption staying in there but a mag ban of some kind getting through.Yep and there'd go concealed carry; except maybe with a flintlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfl0 Posted May 30, 2013 at 02:37 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 02:37 AM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. Proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macster Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:03 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:03 AM Cullerton is going all in and staring down Madigan. We need to kill it with fire to where there is no choice but Phelps bill. Melt rhe Capitol's phone lines. I wasn't able to listen in today. Was there any discussion about the unconstitutionality of a simple majority on a bill with preemption? Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2Cullerton and Madigan are in this together. Proof? In my opinion there's just as much circumstantial evidence for this idea as there is for the idea that they are at loggerheads. It's all speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:10 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:10 AM Yep, but if 183 passes senate then house kills it what options would be left? How about the cliff now, and a clean preemption bill next session?Hmm I doubt the powers that be would allow it but I like your thinking.I would be fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:19 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:19 AM http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/images/illinois_seal.gif State Senator Chapin Rose Representing the 51st District of Illinois http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/common/images/footer_deco.jpg May 28, 2013 Dear Friends As of 10:00 PM, Tuesday 5/28… Senator Forby’s/ Rep. Phelps’ Senate Bill 2193 was defeated in the Senate Executive Committee by a vote of 6-8. Senator James Clayborne sided with the 5 Republican members of the committee. Later this afternoon, the committee adopted an amendment to Senator Raoul’s HB 183, with a vote of 8-4-1. The Republican members of the Executive Committee voted “no” or “present” on the Raoul version of concealed-carry legislation. As a reminder the Forby/Phelps bill included preemption and was a “shall” issue concealed-carry version. Raoul’s bill is written for “may” issue. We are clearly at a stalemate at this point, I will likely send out another update tomorrow. I will remain strong and hope to vote on a "shall" issue bill that allows all Illinoisans the same concealed-carry rights. Sincerely, Chapin Rose State Senator http://district51rose.ilsenategop.net/common/images/footer_deco.jpg 510 S. Staley, Suite D Champaign, IL 61822 This was emailed to me this morning. I searched for this SB1283 and returned no results so I'm posting it here. If it's out already please ignore it. So how come Senator Claybourne whose district includes East St.Louis sides with the Republicans on SB2193? Apparently he doesn't think like Chicago anti-gun democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:48 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 03:48 AM St. Clair County is heavily Democratic. If you want to win in St. Clair County, be tight with the Democrats. He will do what his Democrat masters ask him to do. He is likely one that Madigan can reach across the chambers and sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amelio5050 Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:12 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:12 AM I am game .....let go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il.bill Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:23 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:23 AM St. Clair County is heavily Democratic. If you want to win in St. Clair County, be tight with the Democrats. He will do what his Democrat masters ask him to do. He is likely one that Madigan can reach across the chambers and sway. Your reply makes absolutely no sense. Senator Claybourne voted with the Repubs and against the Democrats so he could "be tight with the Democrats" in response to his masters' command? I called his office twice this week, and several friends also made contact. The staffer on the phone seemed genuinely appreciative of my calls and cordially thanked me for my input Maybe Sen. Claybourne was honestly trying to do the right thing. I apologize for the coming mixed metaphors, and this whole issue could very well end up with our rights flushed down the toilet, but I am going to give my senator, and even Speaker Madigan, the benefit of the doubt, at least until the fat lady finally gets to sing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macster Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:28 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:28 AM Claybourne is also one off the yes votes that moved the magazine restriction bill out of committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:30 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:30 AM I was saying that he may have been doing what Madigan wanted, or at least what he thought Madigan wanted. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:37 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 04:37 AM TFC wrote: "Cullerton won't fall on his sword, so we need Madigan to push him onto it." Best image of the day. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriumphRider Posted May 30, 2013 at 05:00 AM Share Posted May 30, 2013 at 05:00 AM Todd, Valinda.. Please consider this...http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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