SB 2193 HA2 posted

[KarlJ]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09800SB2193ham002&GA=98&SessionId=85&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=73781&DocNum=2193&GAID=12&Session=

[Dave D]

Thanks

[BobPistol]

(h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.

 

Oh no. DTI.....just great

 

WITHOUT any requirement under the law that the cop not beat you to a pulp for carrying a gun (Chicago-style)

[Onytay]

http://www.ilga.gov/...AID=12&Session=

 

Uhg a complete strip and replace! Now I have to re read all of it to see what changed!

[BobPistol]

(h) Meetings of the Board shall not be subject to the Open

 

Meetings Act and records of the Board shall not be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

 

WHAT?

 

So if you get denied for a license because some law enforcement department posts an objection, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.

 

Just freaking great!

 

What is due process?

[firepiper]

If they're going to throw **** out here like this why not go for changes to the cost and training hours while we're at it........

[TheDaveFactor]

(h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.

 

Oh no. DTI.....just great

 

WITHOUT any requirement under the law that the cop not beat you to a pulp for carrying a gun (Chicago-style)

 

Oh for cripes sake... The cop has to ask you... "Do you have a gun?"

 

And you want the right to not answer that?

 

I completely understand why Police Officers want the right to ask that question. It's a matter of safety for YOU AND the Officer.

 

I really don't get the resistance to this.

[A-None-A-Moose]

(h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.

 

Oh no. DTI.....just great

 

WITHOUT any requirement under the law that the cop not beat you to a pulp for carrying a gun (Chicago-style)

 

Isn't that pretty much the same thing it said before?

[Jfl0]

Nothing I've seen changes my major problems with this bill. I am still in opposition to SB2193 and am asking my legislators to vote NO.

[RockerXX]

(h) Meetings of the Board shall not be subject to the Open

 

Meetings Act and records of the Board shall not be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

 

WHAT?

 

So if you get denied for a license because some law enforcement department posts an objection, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.

 

Just freaking great!

 

What is due process?

 

Gotta love the fact they don't have to give any reason until sued, isn't that grand?

 

You will have to sue them if you want to find out why your may issue permit was denied...

[Bud]

looks like the review board makeup has been changed, no longer former fed toadys

[Elderberry]

(h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.

 

Oh no. DTI.....just great

 

WITHOUT any requirement under the law that the cop not beat you to a pulp for carrying a gun (Chicago-style)

 

Here we go again.... I hate to tell you this, but that wording is exactly what was there before in HA1....

[Pipedoc]

I can't get it to open

[Federal Farmer]

(h) Meetings of the Board shall not be subject to the Open

 

Meetings Act and records of the Board shall not be subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

 

WHAT?

 

So if you get denied for a license because some law enforcement department posts an objection, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.

 

Just freaking great!

 

What is due process?

 

Please stop spreading lies. This review is subject to state law regarding administrative reviews. The applicant can file suit in circuit court.

[oldcaprice]

I can't get it to open

 

Try this link. You have to open it as a pdf.

 

http://www.ilga.gov/...B2193ham002.pdf

[Bud]

You guys are misreading that section of the review board. The individual will know and be given an opportunity to r3eply but the general public has no right to learn what transpired un the FFOIA

 

You guys need to go back and take a remedial reading program. You're so interested in finding something bad you are completely missing what is actually in the bill

[Federal Farmer]

Lies are being hidden or simply exposed for ridicule. That is all.

[abolt243]

(h) If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee who is carrying a concealed firearm, upon the request of the officer the licensee shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, present the license upon the request of the officer, and identify the location of the concealed firearm.

 

Oh no. DTI.....just great

 

WITHOUT any requirement under the law that the cop not beat you to a pulp for carrying a gun (Chicago-style)

 

Oh for cripes sake... The cop has to ask you... "Do you have a gun?"

 

And you want the right to not answer that?

 

I completely understand why Police Officers want the right to ask that question. It's a matter of safety for YOU AND the Officer.

 

I really don't get the resistance to this.

 

This is no different from HA1. And it's not DTI. You don't have to inform that you have a license OR a gun until you're asked by the cop. Just the way it is in MO< IN, IA, WI and any other state that does NOT have DTI. At least know what the heck you're talking about before you go complaining and stirring up trouble.

[Federal Farmer]

You guys are misreading that section of the review board. The individual will know and be given an opportunity to r3eply but the general public has no right to learn what transpired un the FFOIA

 

You guys need to go back and take a remedial reading program. You're so interested in finding something bad you are completely missing what is actually in the bill

 

Correct, we still have basic privacy laws in this state...jeez louise the tinfoils are wearing thin.

[Trent]

Sigh. I have to read it ALL OVER AGAIN.

 

Here we go for the SIXTH frigging time.

 

This is getting old.

[Pipedoc]

I can't get it to open

 

Try this link. You have to open it as a pdf.

 

http://www.ilga.gov/...B2193ham002.pdf

 

Thank you.

[Patriots & Tyrants]

So while my wife was in the hospital for a skull fracture following a slip and fall. A psychologist came by a couple of times to talk to her, though mostly testimg cognitive function. Under this act is she now prohibited from getting a CC permit? Language is a little nebulous.

 

I see a lot jargon changed but not much else from the original bill. Mainly looks like things were cleaned up, especially language about funding.

[cm.stites]

http://www.ilga.gov/...AID=12&Session=

 

Uhg a complete strip and replace! Now I have to re read all of it to see what changed!

only thing that changed was he gave the isp 60 days instead of 45 to start posting the cirriculum and instructors. that i can see

[Ron]

You guys are misreading that section of the review board. The individual will know and be given an opportunity to r3eply but the general public has no right to learn what transpired un the FFOIA

 

You guys need to go back and take a remedial reading program. You're so interested in finding something bad you are completely missing what is actually in the bill

 

LOL

[vstar]

You guys are misreading that section of the review board. The individual will know and be given an opportunity to r3eply but the general public has no right to learn what transpired un the FFOIA

 

You guys need to go back and take a remedial reading program. You're so interested in finding something bad you are completely missing what is actually in the bill

 

Correct, we still have basic privacy laws in this state...jeez louise the tinfoils are wearing thin.

 

thank you for being vigilant in correcting misinformation!

[Glock23]

Just a quick scan, but the section regarding the establishment of approved training says they have 60 days... wasn't it 30 in the first amendment? Could be wrong on that point...

 

Otherwise, I'm not seeing any major differences.

[BobPistol]

Oh for cripes sake... The cop has to ask you... "Do you have a gun?"

 

And you want the right to not answer that?

 

I completely understand why Police Officers want the right to ask that question. It's a matter of safety for YOU AND the Officer.

 

I really don't get the resistance to this.

 

Do I have the right to NOT GET THE LIVING CRAP BEAT OUT OF ME by a cop? (and yes, I'm looking at the Chicago Police here, they're notorious)

 

If not, then I want no DTI.

[Federal Farmer]

Oh for cripes sake... The cop has to ask you... "Do you have a gun?"

 

And you want the right to not answer that?

 

I completely understand why Police Officers want the right to ask that question. It's a matter of safety for YOU AND the Officer.

 

I really don't get the resistance to this.

 

Do I have the right to NOT GET THE LIVING CRAP BEAT OUT OF ME by a cop? (and yes, I'm looking at the Chicago Police here, they're notorious)

 

If not, then I want no DTI.

 

Tell me which states don't require you to answer that question?

[Trent]

NO NO NO it became MAY ISSUE.

 

THIS section was changed.

 

(a) The Department shall issue a license to carry a

6 concealed firearm under this Act to an applicant who:

7 (1) meets the qualifications of Section 25 of this Act;

8 (2) has provided the application and documentation

9 required in Section 30 of this Act;

10 (3) has submitted the requisite fees; and

11 (4) does not pose a danger to himself, herself, or

12 others, or a threat to public safety as determined by the

13 Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board in accordance with

14 Section 20.

[BobPistol]

You guys are misreading that section of the review board. The individual will know and be given an opportunity to r3eply but the general public has no right to learn what transpired un the FFOIA

 

You guys need to go back and take a remedial reading program. You're so interested in finding something bad you are completely missing what is actually in the bill

 

OK, so I am denied a license. I demand a hearing to appeal the decision.

 

I may get a form letter that says the denial was based on a law enforcement agency objecting, but won't tell me which one or why they object, and what exactly are they objecting about.

 

But I have no right to get any information about why I was denied, and what information was used, because I can't file a FOIA.

 

So I appeal and have no information to help my appeal, so my appeal fails and I never get licensed.

 

So what is due process of the law?