Uncle Harley Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:09 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:09 PM Can't paste see post # 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:13 PM Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:13 PM Can't paste see post # 2 Here is the e-mail I got from my Rep's secertary, I removed the location where he want's to visit. Below is the attachment she sent. Good Afternoon Harley, I am attaching a fact sheet of Quinn’s assault weapon ban. Thought you might be interested in reading it. This is one piece of legislation that may or may not (according to Quinn’s office) be discussed this Friday. I will have you know that Brad is totally against this bill. He believes we have too many gun laws as it is now. It is not fair that law abiding citizens are punished in light of tragedies such as that in Aurora, Colorado. We should mourn for the losses, but it should allow us more gun rights so we can prevent these instances in the future. Brad was wanting to stop by xxxxxxxxxxxxxx sometime in the near future. Would he be able to meet with you when he is there? Hope that your day is going good. Kindest Regards, Nicolette Iatropoulos Legislative Aide Representative Brad Halbrook 109th House District 10110 E State Highway 33 Suite B URT SB 681 AV (Luechtefeld/Costello) Assault Weapon Ban The Governor amendatorily vetoed SB 681. The AV language is modeled after HB 1294/SB 1588 (Acevedo/Munoz) and prohibits the manufacture, possession, delivery, sale and purchase of semi-automatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments, .50 caliber rifles, and .50 caliber cartridges. The AV also increases the penalty for crimes associated with these weapons. Weapons ProhibitedGenerally, the prohibition covers semi-automatic assault weapons and their attachments. This includes weapons with a folding/telescoping stock, a thumbhole stock, a shroud covering the barrel, and a fixed magazine capable of accepting more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The AV specifically lists certain weapons meeting the definition of semi-automatic assault weapons, such as Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models, including the AK-47), the UZI, the Colt AR-15 (used in the recent Colorado movie theater shooting) and the TEC-9. The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder. [*]SentencingThe AV makes it a Class 3 Felony (Class 2 for second offense) for possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon or a .50 caliber rifle. The AV makes it a Class 4 Felony (Class 3 for second offense) for possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon attachment and a Class A misdemeanor for possession of .50 caliber ammunition. [*]ExceptionsThe prohibitions do not apply to peace officers, military personnel, corrections officers, professional shooting competitors, and those hunting as expressly permitted under the Wildlife Code.The prohibitions do not apply to the manufacture of weapons or ammunition for members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces.[*]Reasons for Support[1]Currently, anyone with a FOID card in Illinois has the ability to purchase an assault weapon such as an AK-47 or AR-15 or a .50 caliber sniper rifle. [2]Currently, Illinois does not impose any restrictions on the purchase or possession of large capacity ammunition magazines.The AV language will not adversely affect hunting in Illinois, as it includes an exception for hunting use permitted under the Wildlife Code.[3] The AV language prohibits people from obtaining extremely dangerous weapons, not from hunting. In the wake of the Aurora, Colorado shootings, the need to prevent an individual from stockpiling assault weapons and large ammunition magazines is increasingly apparent. The assailant in the Colorado shooting purchased all of the rifles and ammunition used in the massacre legally.In 1994, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives characterized assault weapons as “mass produced mayhem” and weapons of choice for gangs, drug dealers, and mass killers to outgun polices officers on the streets.[4]Since the federal assault weapons ban expired, police departments across the country have experienced an increased presence of these high-powered weapons on the streets.[5]One-fifth of the law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1998 and December 2001 were killed with assault weapons.[6]Eight in ten Illinois voters favor a law to ban assault weapons.[7] More people with firearms behavior (including voters who are gun owners, members of the NRA, hunters and/or FOID cardholders) strongly favor an assault weapons ban (44%) than strongly oppose it (31%).[8]A November 2008 survey found that 65% of voters nationwide support banning military-style assault weapons. Of gun owners surveyed, 60% said that they would support such a ban.[9]California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York ban assault weapons, and Hawaii and Maryland ban assault pistols. California is the only state to have banned .50 caliber sniper rifles. California, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York have enacted laws banning large capacity ammunition magazines.[10]The United States Supreme Court held that the scope of the Second Amendment right is not without limitations.[11] Certain types of weapons are not eligible for Second Amendment protection and the Court has long recognized firearm regulations prohibiting a category of “dangerous and unusual weapons”.[12][*]Proponents: o Illinois Council Against Hand Gun Violence; Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence; Brady PAC Illinois; Chicago Police Department; City of Chicago; Cook County State’s Attorney; Chicago Fraternal Order of Police; Illinois Chiefs of Police [1] See generally Banning Military-Style Weapons and Ammunition, Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, http://www.icpgv.org/icpgv_policy3.html (Fact Sheet House Bill 1294). [2] Banning Military-Style Weapons and Ammunition, Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, http://www.icpgv.org/icpgv_policy3.html. [3] The AV states: “This Section does not apply to or affect any of the following … Possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon, an assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a .50 caliber cartridge only for a hunting use expressly permitted under the Wildlife Code.” [4] ATF, Assault Weapons Profile 19 (1994). [5] Kevin Johnson, Police Needing Heavier Weapons, USA Today, Feb. 20, 2007, at 1. [6] Press Release, Violence Policy Center, Majority Leader DeLay’s Promise to Let Assault Weapons Ban Expire Will Keep Cop-Killer Guns on U.S. Streets (May 14, 2003), http://www.vpc.org/press/0305delay.htm. [7] 2007 Voter Survey on gun regulations at 2, Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, available at http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/IL_CampVoterSurvey_FINAL.pdf. [8] Id. [9] Penn, Schoen, & Berland Associates, Inc., Post-Election Analysis: Sensible gun laws builds bridges not burns them to moderates, McCain, and even gun owners in post-Heller world, November 18, 2008, available at http://www.icpgv.org/icpgv_policy3.html. [10] Banning Military-Style Weapons and Ammunition, Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, http://www.icpgv.org/icpgv_policy3.html. [11] District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 626 (2008). [12] Id. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:31 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:31 PM So, no thumbhole stocks, but pistol grips are okay? I'm also glad to see that they're only talking about banning fixed magazines. I'm guessing when they make up these lists they rent a stack of 80's action movies and a Orville Redenbacher Value Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:33 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:33 PM he has put all his trust in the brady bunch. man he needs to be voted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolt243 Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:36 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:36 PM They mention fixed magazines over 10 rounds, then specifically list AR-15's and AK-47's. So which is it Governor? Oh, yeah, you wouldn't know the difference would you? Nor would any of your people writing this bill. If you're going to push for something, at least hire some folks that know what you're talking about!! If ineptitude is a word, this Gov's full of it!! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:51 PM Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 01:51 PM the one that was new to me was " The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder" what a moron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:06 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:06 PM the one that was new to me was " The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder" what a moron! there talking about the Judge 45-410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:16 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:16 PM the one that was new to me was " The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder" what a moron! there talking about the Judge 45-410 I don't consider that a shotgun, its a revolver. It fires 45LC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:19 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:19 PM I guess the Judge commercial with the exoding mellons made someone in Chicago pee their pants. I also guess no one has ever gone hunting with an SKS or AR 10/15. Another reason we need to get Quinn out of office in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:20 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:20 PM They're talking about this one...that you haven't been able to get in the US since 2001 (well, that's when registrations closed with the ATF, who knows when you couldn't import them anymore). http://www.imfdb.org/w/Armsel_Striker_and_variantshttp://www.imfdb.org/w/images/6/6c/CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolt243 Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:24 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:24 PM the one that was new to me was " The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder" what a moron! there talking about the Judge 45-410 You give them too much credit. They wouldn't know a Taurus Judge if it bit them. One of them's probably seen the youtube of the AA12. How many of them to you suppose they've picked up off the streets of Chicago? Or been used in a crime?? Google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smittyp83 Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:59 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 02:59 PM How many crimes have been committed in IL with a .50 cal "sniper rifle"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:21 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:21 PM the one that was new to me was " The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder" what a moron! there talking about the Judge 45-410 You give them too much credit. They wouldn't know a Taurus Judge if it bit them. One of them's probably seen the youtube of the AA12. How many of them to you suppose they've picked up off the streets of Chicago? Or been used in a crime?? Google it.i did sorry, and these are the people running this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:24 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:24 PM They're talking about this one...that you haven't been able to get in the US since 2001 (well, that's when registrations closed with the ATF, who knows when you couldn't import them anymore). http://www.imfdb.org...er_and_variantshttp://www.imfdb.org/w/images/6/6c/CobrayStreetSweeper.jpgwas this called the street sweeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:50 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:50 PM As I read it, you couldn't own a .50 cal. flintlock. These people are despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:59 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 03:59 PM They're talking about this one...that you haven't been able to get in the US since 2001 (well, that's when registrations closed with the ATF, who knows when you couldn't import them anymore). http://www.imfdb.org...er_and_variantshttp://www.imfdb.org/w/images/6/6c/CobrayStreetSweeper.jpgwas this called the street sweeper? That was one of its nick names, I believe that name pertains to sawed off shotguns and the like. The original producer was a South African company, it was the Armsel Striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:19 PM Street sweepers may be "tacticool" to some people, but after you empty that drum, it will probably take a good 4-5 minutes to reload it. Not what I would want in a defensive situation. No thanks, I'll take a pump Mossberg, or a Rem 870 over a "sweeper" anyway. Nonetheless, if someone wants to purchase one, I believe they should be able to buy one if they so desire. Because it's the intent of the person that determines his actions, not what he's holding in his hands at any given time. Give it up, Gov. Quinn - you're not writing good law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub Hunter Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:20 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:20 PM Quinn is on crack. Some of that data is so outdated. Someday we'll have a governor with a spine and a pair of stones!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYU370 Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:47 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 04:47 PM How many crimes have been committed in IL with a .50 cal "sniper rifle"???Yep, I'd like to know that one too. Don't ever recall hearing of any hood rats picking people off at 500yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Harley Posted August 20, 2012 at 07:47 PM Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 07:47 PM As I read it, you couldn't own a .50 cal. flintlock. These people are despicable. what about the .63 cal semi autos with extended magazines.......You know AKA the Remington 12 ga my grandfather handed down to me. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:17 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:17 PM O.well his bill isn't going anywhere any way so i'm really not to worried about it right now. and i think he knows it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:32 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:32 PM Just thinking; with the problems Illinois has, how sad is it that he is worried about crap like this? If he were competent he would be spending all of his time trying to get Illinois fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:33 PM Share Posted August 20, 2012 at 08:33 PM I'm still confused on the wording, basically an AR15 is banned, and so are EBRs with 10rd fixed magazines? is that their attempt to block the use of the bullet button? Someone might want to send that along to calguns, they may start getting the same BS over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satatic Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:23 AM Share Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:23 AM I enjoy their made up statistics. 44% of NRA members and FOID carries are in favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:34 AM Share Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:34 AM I enjoy their made up statistics. 44% of NRA members and FOID carries are in favor. They didn't make it up, they took a poll in their parking lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:56 AM Share Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:56 AM Just thinking; with the problems Illinois has, how sad is it that he is worried about crap like this? If he were competent he would be spending all of his time trying to get Illinois fixed. Whatdayamean? He DID fix Illinois. Just like ya fix your dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:58 PM Share Posted August 21, 2012 at 01:58 PM Just thinking; with the problems Illinois has, how sad is it that he is worried about crap like this? If he were competent he would be spending all of his time trying to get Illinois fixed. Whatdayamean? He DID fix Illinois. Just like ya fix your dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadWaterBill Posted August 24, 2012 at 05:47 AM Share Posted August 24, 2012 at 05:47 AM So what do I do with my 20 VAR TARG rifle with the thumb hole stock? Many benchrest and target rifles have thumbhole stocks. Anyone seen a crook carrying a 10-30# benchrest rifle into a store and announcing THIS IS A HOLDUP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer815 Posted August 28, 2012 at 07:23 PM Share Posted August 28, 2012 at 07:23 PM Among other niceties I like the exception for "professional shooting competitors". I suppose the supply of professionals will dry up pretty quick if amateurs are no longer allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted August 29, 2012 at 02:26 PM Share Posted August 29, 2012 at 02:26 PM "The bill also bans the possession of shotguns with ammunition in a revolving cylinder." Say what? "The AV also increases the penalty for crimes associated with these weapons." They want to increase the penalties even though the current penalties aren't being enforced now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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